Cummings , Johnson , Hancock , Gove , Patel [Archive]

Heisenberg

27-05-20, 13:06

This type of whataboutery is common and I just don't see the purpose.

I think the purpose is to desperately clutch at straws.

We know exactly how poor this Govt. have been but we have no idea how a Corbyn Govt. would have been.

Could they have been shite? Of course. Would they have definitely been shite? Absolutely not.

As you say, this sort of "whataboutery" is absolutely rife in political discussion now - it just deflects the argument rather than focussing on it.

Former Labour leader

27-05-20, 13:11

I think the purpose is to desperately clutch at straws.

We know exactly how poor this Govt. have been but we have no idea how a Corbyn Govt. would have been.

Could they have been shite? Of course. Would they have definitely been shite? Absolutely not.

As you say, this sort of "whataboutery" is absolutely rife in political discussion now - it just deflects the argument rather than focussing on it.

History is likely to judge Johnson and his cronies badly. In fact they are being judged badly already.
They own the UK response to the pandemic. Noone else.

Moodybluebird

27-05-20, 13:16

Hypothetically speaking... How much worse could they have possibly been?

Thank God we will never find out !

Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?

I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.

SLUDGE FACTORY

27-05-20, 13:18

SLUDGE FACTORY

27-05-20, 13:20

Thank God we will never find out !

Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?

I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.

Well we know what side of the fence you sit , clearly a tory

You must be if you are saying only that boris and his crew have failed to cover themselves in glory

Jesus wept they are inept

Heisenberg

27-05-20, 13:23

Thank God we will never find out !

Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?

I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.

When Michael Gove has had at least 3 different roles in Govt. I don't think bringing Diane Abbot's credentials into question is helping the argument against Labour.

lardy

27-05-20, 13:26

Thank God we will never find out !

Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?

I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.

Seriously, this is so lame. A few weeks ago, Priti Patel couldn't even read a number properly. Yesterday Michael Gove lied that he'd driven to test his eyesight for no other reason than because two days ago Dominic Cummings said he did (would you jump off a cliff if Dominic did?).

I am absolutely no fan of Corbyn and the others; in fact I think the country would be in a far better state than it is had they not been in charge of the Labour party even if they weren't in power. But looking at how far the UK has sunk since 2015, I just can't take anyone seriously who says "but it would have been worse under Labour, eh?"

Dorcus

27-05-20, 13:27

Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.

It would be impossible to get any worse than this unscrupulous shower of shit

Heisenberg

27-05-20, 13:31

It would be impossible to get any worse than this unscrupulous shower of shit

That's not true either.

The point is that we don't know how much worse we could be off with others in charge - but we know exactly how much shit we're in right now with the Govt. that we have.

That's the important thing we need to focus on. We need to hold the people in charge accountable for the job that they're doing now and not make up false narratives that fit one's argument.

Fila Bj

27-05-20, 13:34

Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.
pointless post.

stan butler

27-05-20, 13:36

I think this government swept to power on the back of brexit

They were a bunch of chancers then and they are even worse now

It's like watching three year olds in nursery learning to fill in colouring books

They are crass, incompetent, directionless and are starting to try and cover each others backs

That's always the sign of a sinking ship

Did they sweep to power due to Corbyn being useless or did they sweep to power because the people who voted for brexit and won still wanted it?.
Most people who voted labour and lost will just keep on and on boring everyone because they lost the same as the nerdy turds who tried to change brexit after the majority voted for it. Bore off you boring gits i bet youe all the same ones who moan about swearing and standing at football..

the other bob wilson

27-05-20, 13:37

Thank God we will never find out !

Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?

I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.

It's about time the question about what do you think the UK Government has done well in this crisis got another airing. Last time I answered it a few weeks ago, I said getting the Nightingale hospitals up and running so quickly and the furlough scheme - I can't think of anything else to add to the small list at the moment.

Remember that app that was being trialled in the Isle of Wight? I read somewhere today that the locals are saying that its been lost - the track and trace app which was something else that was being hailed as a "game changer" at the beginning of the month has been lost - you have to laugh because you'd cry otherwise.

With South Wales quite possibly being the UK's current hotspot, Welsh Labour has got nothing to be complacent about either - I'm honestly beginning to think the people of the UK would do a better job of tackling Covid 19 if they ignored the politicians and just got on with it themselves.

superflyblues

27-05-20, 13:39

Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.

Yes, the Labour Party got in in New Zealand and their handling of the pandemic has been a total disaster, hasn’t it.

Baloo

27-05-20, 13:40

Yesterday Michael Gove lied that he'd driven to test his eyesight for no other reason than because two days ago Dominic Cummings said he did (would you jump off a cliff if Dominic did?).

Gove himself laughing at the utter stupidity of this reply on LBC was certainly a new milestone. It takes highly creative thinking to imagine anybody else handling things worse than this bunch.

City123

27-05-20, 13:50

When Michael Gove has had at least 3 different roles in Govt. I don't think bringing Diane Abbot's credentials into question is helping the argument against Labour.
The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.

City123

27-05-20, 13:52

Gove himself laughing at the utter stupidity of this reply on LBC was certainly a new milestone. It takes highly creative thinking to imagine anybody else handling things worse than this bunch.
The mental gymnastics required to support this shower are astounding

Whisperer

27-05-20, 13:54

The wet politicians and clergymen have much to say
Defending desires of the sheep they are leading astray

1967 Roy Harper

Moodybluebird

27-05-20, 14:00

Seriously, this is so lame. A few weeks ago, Priti Patel couldn't even read a number properly. Yesterday Michael Gove lied that he'd driven to test his eyesight for no other reason than because two days ago Dominic Cummings said he did (would you jump off a cliff if Dominic did?).

I am absolutely no fan of Corbyn and the others; in fact I think the country would be in a far better state than it is had they not been in charge of the Labour party even if they weren't in power. But looking at how far the UK has sunk since 2015, I just can't take anyone seriously who says "but it would have been worse under Labour, eh?"

Have a you ever heard Diane Abbott interviewed ? I'm merely making the point that her intellect is so low I wouldn't trust her with a paper round let alone running the country.

I am certainly not an apologist for the Tories. I had been a Labour voter all my life until Jezza took over. Brought up that way, more a socialist than a capitalist but the lines have been blurred ever since Blair came to power. However, the dream ticket of Corbyn and McDonnell made me run for the hills and there was no way I would blindly vote for them.

As dour as Gordon Brown was, the man was intellectually gifted. And he had the foresight of not agreeing to adopting the euro as our currency. If for instance it had been a choice of him or Boris, you may have had a point about "would it have been worse under Labour?" But Corbyn et al ? Really ?!!

A Quiet Monkfish

27-05-20, 14:00

It's about time the question about what do you think the UK Government has done well in this crisis got another airing. Last time I answered it a few weeks ago, I said getting the Nightingale hospitals up and running so quickly and the furlough scheme - I can't think of anything else to add to the small list at the moment.

Remember that app that was being trialled in the Isle of Wight? I read somewhere today that the locals are saying that its been lost - the track and trace app which was something else that was being hailed as a "game changer" at the beginning of the month has been lost - you have to laugh because you'd cry otherwise.

With South Wales quite possibly being the UK's current hotspot, Welsh Labour has got nothing to be complacent about either - I'm honestly beginning to think the people of the UK would do a better job of tackling Covid 19 if they ignored the politicians and just got on with it themselves.

Politicians ? Once in power they're all pretty much the same. Without wanting to open the current can of worms, Government is a tiny cache of inexperienced individuals surrounded by advisors, quangos, Govt. bodies, Civil Service, the Judiciary - all who run rings around them and stifle change, innovation, and decisive actions. Take the dog out for a long walk and forget about them all..

Former Labour leader

27-05-20, 14:11

The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.

I was watching a clip of her at her first election recently. No wonder Jeremy was sha***ng her. A good looking woman.
Not sure were it went wrong for Diane. Despite being highly intelligent she came over rambling in interviews. No doubt the press did a hatchet job and people believe something if its reiterated often enough. A decent and principled woman for all that.

Baloo

27-05-20, 14:11

The mental gymnastics required to support this shower are astounding
I might try this approach in my next work appraisal and reply that the other person they interviewed would probably have done even worse.

stan butler

27-05-20, 14:11

The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.

Colour doesn't come into it so stop playing the race card it's because she's thick

Former Labour leader

27-05-20, 14:13

Politicians ? Once in power they're all pretty much the same. Without wanting to open the current can of worms, Government is a tiny cache of inexperienced individuals surrounded by advisors, quangos, Govt. bodies, Civil Service, the Judiciary - all who run rings around them and stifle change, innovation, and decisive actions. Take the dog out for a long walk and forget about them all..

So you are blaming the civil servants and scientists for this catastrophe? Not the Tory government who make the final decisions?

Moodybluebird

27-05-20, 14:21

The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.

Oh really ? So just because she's the first black female MP, she has a free rein to make racist or anti-white comments in public does she ? "White people like to divide and rule" is one of hers and there are many others if you wish to check. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour regardless of colour so I most certainly do not respect her just because of her status.

City123

27-05-20, 14:36

Have a you ever heard Diane Abbott interviewed ? I'm merely making the point that her intellect is so low I wouldn't trust her with a paper round let alone running the country.

I am certainly not an apologist for the Tories. I had been a Labour voter all my life until Jezza took over. Brought up that way, more a socialist than a capitalist but the lines have been blurred ever since Blair came to power. However, the dream ticket of Corbyn and McDonnell made me run for the hills and there was no way I would blindly vote for them.

As dour as Gordon Brown was, the man was intellectually gifted. And he had the foresight of not agreeing to adopting the euro as our currency. If for instance it had been a choice of him or Boris, you may have had a point about "would it have been worse under Labour?" But Corbyn et al ? Really ?!!
Abbott read history at Cambridge

Funny how all these Tory apologists were "Labour all their lives"

dml1954

27-05-20, 14:37

Yes, the Labour Party got in in New Zealand and their handling of the pandemic has been a total disaster, hasn’t it.

Comparing the Labour party in UK with the Labour party in New Zealand is like comparing Jack the Ripper with a fluffy bunny rabbit. Also, the people who are most vociferous on this forum and the media in general, about criticising the current Government, are the ones who refuse to accept the result of the Brexit vote and the last election, consider anyone who voted for either to be idiots and won't shut up until the will of the British people is ignored and both are reversed. NB to them - the next election isn't until 2024 and by then we will be long shot of the EU and covid-19.

Moodybluebird

27-05-20, 14:38

Abbott read history at Cambridge

Funny how all these Tory apologists were "Labour all their lives"

You're a funny man😂

City123

27-05-20, 14:40

Oh really ? So just because she's the first black female MP, she has a free rein to make racist or anti-white comments in public does she ? "White people like to divide and rule" is one of hers and there are many others if you wish to check. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour regardless of colour so I most certainly do not respect her just because of her status.
I'm pointing out some relevant facts. She's the country's first female black MP and receives an almost unparalleled level of abuse

She's referring to the British Empire with "White people like to divide and rule", well she's not wrong is she?

Moodybluebird

27-05-20, 14:45

I'm pointing out some relevant facts. She's the country's first female black MP and receives an almost unparalleled level of abuse

She's referring to the British Empire with "White people like to divide and rule", well she's not wrong is she?

Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!

Baloo

27-05-20, 15:14

Comparing the Labour party in UK with the Labour party in New Zealand is like comparing Jack the Ripper with a fluffy bunny rabbit
Chalk and cheese clearly just wouldn’t do this difference justice.

A Quiet Monkfish

27-05-20, 15:18

So you are blaming the civil servants and scientists for this catastrophe? Not the Tory government who make the final decisions?

The catastrophe was probably caused by lax Chinese bio-security. Labour would have been in the same position. Would they have made the same decisions ? Who knows. This Govt. carries the can - that's the responsibility that comes with being in power..

the other bob wilson

27-05-20, 15:20

Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!

What do you think the UK Government have done well in the Covid 19 crisis?

Moodybluebird

27-05-20, 15:34

What do you think the UK Government have done well in the Covid 19 crisis?

Absolutely not ! I've already said that Boris and Co. have not covered themselves in glory and I stand by that.

But the post you've responded to is about whether Ms Abbott should be put on a pedestal just because she is the country's first black female MP. I suggest not, given the overtly racist, anti-white comments she has made in the past.

light up the darkness

27-05-20, 15:35

Personally I am up to here with the politics of the way this crisis hay been handled.

People have died and are still dying because the bunch of people who are supposed to be running the country are out of their depth and don’t know what do next.

I think TOBW above hit the nail. Let the people of the UK get on with doing things the way they want and accept the consequences that arise.

Croesy Blue

27-05-20, 15:43

I never understand people calling Diane Abbot stupid, how many posters on here got into Cambridge?

Croesy Blue

27-05-20, 15:49

Colour doesn't come into it so stop playing the race card it's because she's thick

What university did you go to mate?

Croesy Blue

27-05-20, 15:50

Oh really ? So just because she's the first black female MP, she has a free rein to make racist or anti-white comments in public does she ? "White people like to divide and rule" is one of hers and there are many others if you wish to check. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour regardless of colour so I most certainly do not respect her just because of her status.

Never underestimate the sensitivity of a white man. No one in the equivalent position has an easier life than the white man yet they can't stop ****ing whinging.

City123

27-05-20, 15:52

Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!
In my view there's nothing racist in the statement, although it would be pretty historically inaccurate to claim "black people like to divide and rule" when referring to the tactics of the British Empire.

Why do you feel its racist?

Moodybluebird

27-05-20, 15:55

Never underestimate the sensitivity of a white man. No one in the equivalent position has an easier life than the white man yet they can't stop ****ing whinging.

Yep, another balanced response Croesy Blue. What a gem you are.

the other bob wilson

27-05-20, 15:56

Absolutely not ! I've already said that Boris and Co. have not covered themselves in glory and I stand by that.

But the post you've responded to is about whether Ms Abbott should be put on a pedestal just because she is the country's first black female MP. I suggest not, given the overtly racist, anti-white comments she has made in the past.

To be honest, I'm not remotely interested in speculating on how Messrs Corbyn and McDonald and Dianne Abbott would have done, they're all backbenchers now I believe and so what's the point? We have a Government that has overseen a situation where, no matter what stats you look at, the UK compares poorly with the rest of the world and now they've managed to create a situation whereby they are struggling to keep the country on board with their guidelines with many believing they are putting party and personal matters above people's wellbeing.

Croesy Blue

27-05-20, 15:58

Yep, another balanced response Croesy Blue. What a gem you are.

It's true mate. Never under estimate how much easier life for us.

It's true you're being a sensitive soul by crying racism too. It wasn't the cleverest thing for her to say, but it doesn't make it wrong.

ninian opinian

27-05-20, 16:16

Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!

Yes because white people are so oppressed by racial hate :hehe:

SLUDGE FACTORY

27-05-20, 16:20

Comparing the Labour party in UK with the Labour party in New Zealand is like comparing Jack the Ripper with a fluffy bunny rabbit. Also, the people who are most vociferous on this forum and the media in general, about criticising the current Government, are the ones who refuse to accept the result of the Brexit vote and the last election, consider anyone who voted for either to be idiots and won't shut up until the will of the British people is ignored and both are reversed. NB to them - the next election isn't until 2024 and by then we will be long shot of the EU and covid-19.

We wont be long shot of covid 19 if the government response to it is anything to go by

And you think the EU nonsense will sorted by then ?

You have been sold a kipper

A Quiet Monkfish

27-05-20, 16:23

We wont be long shot of covid 19 if the government response to it is anything to go by

And you think the EU nonsense will sorted by then ?

You have been sold a kipper

Arbroath smokie . Mmmm!!

Moodybluebird

27-05-20, 16:25

It's true mate. Never under estimate how much easier life for us.

It's true you're being a sensitive soul by crying racism too. It wasn't the cleverest thing for her to say, but it doesn't make it wrong.

I accept as a generality that life is easier for us than many black people but being overtly racist is unacceptable behaviour, especially for one in the public eye. Ms Abbott has a long history of making unsavoury comments that are at best naive and at worse divisive.

Putting aside my "sensitivities" for one moment, do you honestly believe her comments help multi-culturism prosper in this country or are they more likely to drive a wedge between communities ?

SLUDGE FACTORY

27-05-20, 16:26

Arbroath smokie . Mmmm!!

I love eggs and kippers in butter for breakfast

It tends to repeat on you during the day but there is a downside to everything

Croesy Blue

27-05-20, 16:28

I accept as a generality that life is easier for us than many black people but being overtly racist is unacceptable behaviour, especially for one in the public eye. Ms Abbott has a long history of making unsavoury comments that are at best naive and at worse divisive.

Putting aside my "sensitivities" for one moment, do you honestly believe her comments help multi-culturism prosper in this country or are they more likely to drive a wedge between communities ?

I don’t that’s why I said it’s stupid for her to say it but she’s not wrong and anyone being sensitive over it is doing so because they already don’t like her.

SLUDGE FACTORY

27-05-20, 16:32

Norman Tebbit , the swivel eyed loon liked going on about the cricket test

What a shining light for racial relations he was

He reckoned for those second generation west indian and Pakistani and indian people it was wrong for them to support the land of their forefathers and they should support England

Obviously white english people , born of English people living in spain always support spain and not england when the countries meet

Blue Tone

27-05-20, 17:01

BINGE THINKING

27-05-20, 17:09

Dealing with this pandemic is not a right/left or Tory/Labour issue - it's about competence or lack of. Johnson (under Cummings' advice) has surrounded himself with a cabinet containing people like Hancock, Patel, Williamson, Rabb etc - all of whom would have been out of their depth as Parish councillors 20 years ago.
If we had May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major or even Thatcher as PM now, I daresay some mistakes would have been made but I'm sure we would have avoided the shameful, shambolic incompetence that currently embarrasses and endangers us.

MacAdder

27-05-20, 17:24

I love eggs and kippers in butter for breakfast

It tends to repeat on you during the day but there is a downside to everything

You can say that again

Croesy Blue

27-05-20, 18:25

FFS,
I come home from work, check in on here for some footy related topics and it’s another politics soap box for a few bored fellas with nothing better to do.

Mike / moderators .......can you redirect these threads to the politics forum please.

Maybe just don’t click on the threads that don’t interest you. Or did you think the names in the title were potential target men? :hehe:

Hot Shot Hamish.

27-05-20, 18:27

Dave Blue

27-05-20, 18:46

Spot on.

Agreed. I was about to start a rant but you have saved me the trouble. I haven’t missed football that much due to other priorities during this situation but I am longing to get some distraction from this shite show.

Blue Tone

27-05-20, 19:00

Maybe just don’t click on the threads that don’t interest you. Or did you think the names in the title were potential target men? :hehe:

How about topics about politics being on the politics forum.

Croesy Blue

27-05-20, 19:42

How about topics about politics being on the politics forum.
Why don’t you start a thread about football?

Elwood Blues

27-05-20, 19:47

This type of whataboutery is common and I just don't see the purpose.

Much as I detest Corbyn and co it is pointless to try and guess how they would have done.

life on mars

27-05-20, 19:57

Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.

I'm sure they would have played the same game and referred to medical and scientific experts , it's not like any politician has any experience of this type of incident.

All I hope were learning and ready for the next time the Chinese feck up ,because we will .

MacAdder

27-05-20, 20:44

lardy

28-05-20, 00:52

I'm sure they would have played the same game and referred to medical and scientific experts , it's not like any politician has any experience of this type of incident.

All I hope were learning and ready for the next time the Chinese feck up ,because we will .

The UK had what was considered the world's best pandemic response guidelines. The government didn't put it into action. Other countries, like Singapore, did put the UK's response into action and the difference is clear.

Saying the poor ickle politicians had never been through it before is absolutely no excuse. Even if it was, it's nearly June and their handling appears to be getting worse.

Jordi Culé

28-05-20, 01:01

I'm sure they would have played the same game and referred to medical and scientific experts , it's not like any politician has any experience of this type of incident.

All I hope were learning and ready for the next time the Chinese feck up ,because we will .

Jacinda Ardern seems to have done alright. Different country admittedly.

Do you think Starmer could’ve done better than cuntwaffle (Boris)?

CCFCC3PO

28-05-20, 07:09

The UK had what was considered the world's best pandemic response guidelines. The government didn't put it into action. Other countries, like Singapore, did put the UK's response into action and the difference is clear.

This is true, unfortunately our Government chose the economy.

Blue Tone

28-05-20, 16:21

Why don’t you start a thread about football?
:wave:
:hehe:

life on mars

30-05-20, 11:02

:wave:
:hehe:

Argh good suggestion

Rjk

01-06-20, 10:14

Thank God we will never find out !

Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?

I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.

I'm not particularly a fan of Diane Abbott, but the criticism she gets is ridiculous.

Daughter of immigrant parents who were a nurse and a welder, she managed to get into Cambridge and got a degree in History. If she had achieved nothing else in her life that would still have been very impressive given her background and the discrimination she must have received at the time.
Later she became Britain's first and longest serving black MP, and has been re-elected at 9 general elections, which I think is one more than Nigel Farage has tried and failed to become an MP at.

She had enough sense (and backbone, moral compass) to vote against the Iraq war when many others went placidly along with it.

But she once stumbled over a maths question when in a live radio interview, so people think she is stupid and worthless.

I strongly suspect that she has achieved a lot more in the face of a lot more adversity than you have. So if she is a "single celular organism" then what does that make you?

I've changed my mind, I am now definitely a fan of Diane Abbott

life on mars

17-06-20, 20:17

Jacinda Ardern seems to have done alright. Different country admittedly.

Do you think Starmer could’ve done better than cuntwaffle (Boris)?

I think he is no pandemic expert , neither is any other politician, and with great respect were the medical experts and scientists , it's an unknown matter for everyone, next time it won't be as we would have learned so much from this pandemic.

lardy

17-06-20, 23:54

I think he is no pandemic expert , neither is any other politician, and with great respect were the medical experts and scientists , it's an unknown matter for everyone, next time it won't be as we would have learned so much from this pandemic.

This isn't the world's first pandemic. South Korea have done so well because they've been through it before and they knew they needed to act quickly.

To say it's an unknown matter for everyone is absolute rubbish. The UK had the best pandemic response in the world. Asian countries followed it with success. The current UK government did not. This failure is on them. Don't absolve them by pretending that everyone was taken by surprise.

Rjk

18-06-20, 09:31

3908

life on mars

18-06-20, 19:23

3908

Priti is pretty .

Mogg though very horsey I know a few lads who would ,they love that horsey look .

life on mars

18-06-20, 19:24

This isn't the world's first pandemic. South Korea have done so well because they've been through it before and they knew they needed to act quickly.

To say it's an unknown matter for everyone is absolute rubbish. The UK had the best pandemic response in the world. Asian countries followed it with success. The current UK government did not. This failure is on them. Don't absolve them by pretending that everyone was taken by surprise.

Tell that to the dead , all those stupid advisors , medics ,scientists in the world , what do they know, they should step down and let ordinary folk step up and take the reins

lardy

21-06-20, 06:57

Tell that to the dead , all those stupid advisors , medics ,scientists in the world , what do they know, they should step down and let ordinary folk step up and take the reins

What on earth are you talking about?

When you're ill, do you go to a doctor or 'ordinary folk'?

Heisenberg

23-06-20, 13:09

Priti is pretty .

Mogg though very horsey I know a few lads who would ,they love that horsey look .

It's obvious which picture you're refering to and that's actually Rishi Sunak :hehe:

lardy

29-06-20, 01:33

Tell that to the dead , all those stupid advisors , medics ,scientists in the world , what do they know, they should step down and let ordinary folk step up and take the reins

Seeing this video made me think of this post.

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life on mars

10-07-20, 21:36

Seeing this video made me think of this post.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Floridians angrily claiming masks are the work of the devil because “they want to throw God’s wonderful breathing system out the door.” <a href="https://t.co/5pDzU8ncwY">pic.twitter.com/5pDzU8ncwY</a></p>— John Aravosis ��️*�� (@aravosis) <a href="https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1275854598146871296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I love my mask, never without it , I was in Lidl this week , only one with a mask on , people are becoming very complacent