View Full Version : The Lancet fully retracts flawed Hydroxychloroquine scientific study
Wales-Bales
04-06-20, 23:57
Bad news for all the Hydroxychloroquine haters on here :biggrin:
https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246
And where's the evidence it is an effective therapy? Trump's musings?
the other bob wilson
05-06-20, 05:16
""Lancet paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials was retracted after a Guardian investigation
The Guardian’s Sarah Boseley and Melissa Davey write:
The Lancet paper that halted global trials of hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 because of fears of increased deaths has been retracted after a Guardian investigation found inconsistencies in the data.
The lead author, Prof Mandeep Mehra, from the Brigham and Women’s hospital in Boston, Massachusetts decided to ask the Lancet for the retraction because he could no longer vouch for the data’s accuracy.
The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian.
A Guardian investigation had revealed errors in the data that was provided for the research by US company Surgisphere. These were later explained by the company as some patients being wrongly allocated to Australia instead of Asia. But more anomalies were then picked up. A further Guardian investigation found that there were serious questions to be asked about the company itself.
An independent audit company was asked to examine a database provided by Surgisphere to ensure it had the data from more than 96,000 Covid-19 patients in 671 hospitals worldwide, that it was obtained properly and was accurate.
The Lancet study had a dramatic impact on attempts to find out whether the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, and its older version, chloroquine, could help treat patients with Covid-19. The US president, Donald Trump was among those who backed the drug before any high-quality trial evidence had been published.
The World Health Organization and several countries suspended randomised controlled trials that were set up to find an answer. Those trials have now been restarted. Many scientists were angry that they had been stopped on the basis of a trial that was observational and not a “gold standard” RCT."
Let's see what these other trials say, this isn't an admission that the drug can be used as Trump says it can.
Bad news for all the Hydroxychloroquine haters on here :biggrin:
https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246
You have misread the article, and misinterpreted its impact.
What's the big deal? Scientific publication sticks to the science and does an about turn ASAP. It happens. Meanwhile, Trump still says it's a cure for Covid-19 with no evidence to back it up.
The Lone Gunman
05-06-20, 16:00
Bad news for President Trump and Wales-Bales.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52937153
life on mars
05-06-20, 16:13
Bad news for all the Hydroxychloroquine haters on here :biggrin:
https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246
What do the exerts know about anything , it could be that it will become part of a cocktail of treatments based on who or what helps you as an individual its strange how people react to hope based on their politics and hatred ??
The Lone Gunman
05-06-20, 16:17
What do the exerts know about anything , it could be that it will become part of a cocktail of treatments based on who or what helps you as an individual its strange how people react to hope based on their politics and hatred ??
It's not in the least bit strange how people react to dangerous, ill-informed twats.
life on mars
05-06-20, 16:21
It's not in the least bit strange how people react to dangerous, ill-informed twats.
Just leave it to the scientists is my best advise .
The Lone Gunman
05-06-20, 16:22
Just leave it to the scientists is my best advise .
You mean experts? Leave it to the experts? Have you gone MAD?!?
What do the exerts know about anything , it could be that it will become part of a cocktail of treatments based on who or what helps you as an individual its strange how people react to hope based on their politics and hatred ??
It's the experts who will do the treatment.
What do the exerts know about anything , it could be that it will become part of a cocktail of treatments based on who or what helps you as an individual its strange how people react to hope based on their politics and hatred ??
This question is key to the ****ing mess the world is in. Look up the word "expert" in the dictionary.
life on mars
05-06-20, 16:41
It's the experts who will do the treatment.
It's brave people who will test any drug including this one , its been considered and used by many experts in tests around the world long before Trump spoke out , if as it seems it won't work we move onto other drugs , why apply politics to efforts to seek a solution ???
life on mars
05-06-20, 16:43
This question is key to the ****ing mess the world is in. Look up the word "expert" in the dictionary.
Trouble is there's way too many experts on CCMB and we need to lend them out to the outside world to put things right .
An Ex is a has-been and a spurt is a drip under pressure. :getscoat:
Wales-Bales
05-06-20, 17:42
People were quoting the news stories that were based on the original Lancet publication to score points, which has now been fully retracted!
The Lone Gunman
16-06-20, 06:27
More bad news for fans of Doctor Trump. Turns out he might as well have been advocating Dolly Mixtures.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53054476
More bad news for fans of Doctor Trump. Turns out he might as well have been advocating Dolly Mixtures.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53054476
Trump proudly said he was taking the drug but I'm not sure he's a good advert for it. At the weekend he couldn't hold a glass of water with one hand or walk down a ramp without help.
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 09:20
More bad news for fans of Doctor Trump. Turns out he might as well have been advocating Dolly Mixtures.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53054476
You are starting to make lardy & cyril look clever :hehe:
What do the exerts know about anything
This sums up the world right now, people off the internet with no knowledge whatsoever beyond reading a few websites dismissing people who've spent years, decades, their entire working life learning and studying subjects with "what do the experts know about anything"
You can't even spell experts ffs :facepalm:
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 09:42
This sums up the world right now, people off the internet with no knowledge whatsoever beyond reading a few websites dismissing people who've spent years, decades, their entire working life learning and studying subjects with "what do the experts know about anything"
You can't even spell experts ffs :facepalm:
The are experts and there are political hacks, can you tell the difference?
The Lone Gunman
16-06-20, 09:42
You are starting to make lardy & cyril look clever :hehe:
Nothing you do or have ever done makes you look clever.
The are experts and there are political hacks, can you tell the difference?
Well if life on mars was trying to write "political hacks" he f**ked up the spelling even worse than I thought
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 09:44
Nothing you do or have ever done makes you look clever.
I like it when you get all authoritative :biggrin:
Heisenberg
16-06-20, 10:17
Well if life on mars was trying to write "political hacks" he f**ked up the spelling even worse than I thought
:hehe:
cyril evans awaydays
16-06-20, 10:22
More bad news for fans of Doctor Trump. Turns out he might as well have been advocating Dolly Mixtures.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53054476
How many dolly mixtures do you have to take before the side effects become riskier to health though?
Shows the madness of the world right now though that the President of the USA watches a Fox News talk show, champions the drug that they were referencing as some kind of miracle cure, silences or talks over the "exerts" in his administration who say that it is unproven, pressurises the Federal bodies responsible for the safe administration of medicines into allowing it for general use, risks shortages for those in need of malarial and lupus treatment and allegedly takes it himself for a couple of weeks to further inflate the bubble. Apparently anyone who thinks this behaviour is dangerous and diversionary is applying politics to efforts to reach a solution though!
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/06/trump-hydroxychloroquine-fact-check/
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 10:33
How many dolly mixtures do you have to take before the side effects become riskier to health though?
Shows the madness of the world right now though that the President of the USA watches a Fox News talk show, champions the drug that they were referencing as some kind of miracle cure, silences or talks over the "exerts" in his administration who say that it is unproven, pressurises the Federal bodies responsible for the safe administration of medicines into allowing it for general use, risks shortages for those in need of malarial and lupus treatment and allegedly takes it himself for a couple of weeks to further inflate the bubble. Apparently anyone who thinks this behaviour is dangerous and diversionary is applying politics to efforts to reach a solution though!
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/06/trump-hydroxychloroquine-fact-check/
You pushed the Russia collusion lie for three years, and now you are handing out medical advice? Unbelievable! :biggrin:
the other bob wilson
16-06-20, 11:00
You pushed the Russia collusion lie for three years, and now you are handing out medical advice? Unbelievable! :biggrin:
Nowhere near as unbelievable as you slavishly defending Donald Trump's opinion on the effectiveness of the drug over the opinion of the very large majority of the relevant industry.
A couple of questions for you;-
1. What are your current views on Trump's miracle cure - are you still in the we should all be drinking or injecting it camp?
2. Cyril just backed his argument up with a link to a fact checking site, have you ever done that in any of the near 18,000 (they don't count all the Gluey ones!) messages under your current posting name?
Heisenberg
16-06-20, 11:10
Roll up! Roll up! Welcome to another showing of Gluey/Wales-Bales Presents... 'Cyril and Lardy: Russia Collusion'.
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Taunton Blue Genie
16-06-20, 11:17
Roll up! Roll up! Welcome to another showing of Gluey/Wales-Bales Presents... 'Cyril and Lardy: Russia Collusion'.
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And he doesn't realise that it makes him look like a chump every time he peddles the same old repetitive and incredible tiresome crap.
Roll up! Roll up! Welcome to another showing of Gluey/Wales-Bales Presents... 'Cyril and Lardy: Russia Collusion'.
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:thumbup: class
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 11:18
Nowhere near as unbelievable as you slavishly defending Donald Trump's opinion on the effectiveness of the drug over the opinion of the very large majority of the relevant industry.
A couple of questions for you;-
1. What are your current views on Trump's miracle cure - are you still in the we should all be drinking or injecting it camp?
2. Cyril just backed his argument up with a link to a fact checking site, have you ever done that in any of the near 18,000 (they don't count all the Gluey ones!) messages under your current posting name?
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons sued the FDA for its irrational interference to access of the life-saving drug. Now regular people can access the stockpile that the FDA were hoarding.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EafvRg5UcAAfm1h?format=jpg
The Lone Gunman
16-06-20, 11:20
And he doesn't realise that it makes him look like a chump every time he peddles the same old repetitive and incredible tiresome crap.
Possibly because he constantly looks like a chump anyway.
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 11:23
And he doesn't realise that it makes him look like a chump every time he peddles the same old repetitive and incredible tiresome crap.
I wasn't the one who was pushing the conspiracy hoax.
I wasn't the one who was pushing the conspiracy hoax.
Yes but if you constantly bring up the time when someone's been wrong months after the fact you make yourself look like someone who's wrong all the time, and the person you're attacking like someone who was wrong once. I'm surprised someone with your famous intelligence doesn't see that.
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 11:29
Roll up! Roll up! Welcome to another showing of Gluey/Wales-Bales Presents... 'Cyril and Lardy: Russia Collusion'.
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You should add your name :hehe:
the other bob wilson
16-06-20, 11:29
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons sued the FDA for its irrational interference to access of the life-saving drug. Now regular people can access the stockpile that the FDA were hoarding.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EafvRg5UcAAfm1h?format=jpg
Nice attempt at a diversion, but none of that is relevant to Trump's contention that the drug is effective against coronavirus and, as always, you have sidestepped the direct questions you were asked.
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 11:30
Yes but if you constantly bring up the time when someone's been wrong months after the fact you make yourself look like someone who's wrong all the time, and the person you're attacking like someone who was wrong once. I'm surprised someone with your famous intelligence doesn't see that.
They are still pushing the same BS, but at least you can see they were wrong even if they can't. The are so discredited that you can't even believe a word that they say.
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 11:33
Nice attempt at a diversion, but none of that is relevant to Trump's contention that the drug is effective against coronavirus and, as always, you have sidestepped the direct questions you were asked.
Thousands of medical professionals all over the world are using it, yet you choose to focus on the propaganda stuff.
cyril evans awaydays
16-06-20, 11:35
Nice attempt at a diversion, but none of that is relevant to Trump's contention that the drug is effective against coronavirus and, as always, you have sidestepped the direct questions you were asked.
Seem like a nice bunch with a strong track record on medical science
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 11:43
Seem like a nice bunch with a strong track record on medical science
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons
They got the FDA to liberate their drug stockpile which means more availabitlity for those who wish to use it, which has to be a good thing.
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 11:51
Nice attempt at a diversion, but none of that is relevant to Trump's contention that the drug is effective against coronavirus and, as always, you have sidestepped the direct questions you were asked.
The Surgisphere and Recovery trials have both been discredited, so where is the proof that Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work an early stage therapeutic?
I wasn't the one who was pushing the conspiracy hoax.
What bollux! You have pushed every 'conspiracy hoax' going. It is what you do. And then you have labelled every genuine exposure of your boy Trump and his corrupt clique as a 'hoax' - turning reality on its head.
You continue to suck up and parrot the deranged conspiracy theories of the alt-right swamp and the shameless apologists for the most talentless and inept US President in history (the bar wasn't too high either) whilst pretending that you are objective and neutral. Nothing could be further from the truth - you are a keyboard propagandist and troll.
You manage every time to paint up as down and right and wrong. You turn words and ideas inside out - usually as a deliberate and weaselly strategy of deflecting from the hammerings you have been given here on a regular basis. Every time you claim some false 'victory' on here I see the black knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail - no legs, no arms, not laid a glove or scored a hit, but still giving it big. The black knight was funny though.
Just my opinion. :biggrin:
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 12:05
What bollux! You have pushed every 'conspiracy hoax' going. It is what you do. And then you have labelled every genuine exposure of your boy Trump and his corrupt clique as a 'hoax' - turning reality on its head.
You continue to suck up and parrot the deranged conspiracy theories of the alt-right swamp and the shameless apologists for the most talentless and inept US President in history (the bar wasn't too high either) whilst pretending that you are objective and neutral. Nothing could be further from the truth - you are a keyboard propagandist and troll.
You manage every time to paint up as down and right and wrong. You turn words and ideas inside out - usually as a deliberate and weaselly strategy of deflecting from the hammerings you have been given here on a regular basis. Every time you claim some false 'victory' on here I see the black knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail - no legs, no arms, not laid a glove or scored a hit, but still giving it big. The black knight was funny though.
Just my opinion. :biggrin:
All I said is the Russia collusion narrative was a setup to overthrow a president. All the lies and propaganda can be attributed to other posters on here, and don't forget you were also taken in by the hoax!
the other bob wilson
16-06-20, 13:17
What bollux! You have pushed every 'conspiracy hoax' going. It is what you do. And then you have labelled every genuine exposure of your boy Trump and his corrupt clique as a 'hoax' - turning reality on its head.
You continue to suck up and parrot the deranged conspiracy theories of the alt-right swamp and the shameless apologists for the most talentless and inept US President in history (the bar wasn't too high either) whilst pretending that you are objective and neutral. Nothing could be further from the truth - you are a keyboard propagandist and troll.
You manage every time to paint up as down and right and wrong. You turn words and ideas inside out - usually as a deliberate and weaselly strategy of deflecting from the hammerings you have been given here on a regular basis. Every time you claim some false 'victory' on here I see the black knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail - no legs, no arms, not laid a glove or scored a hit, but still giving it big. The black knight was funny though.
Just my opinion. :biggrin:
It's just a flesh wound :hehe:.
What bollux! You have pushed every 'conspiracy hoax' going. It is what you do. And then you have labelled every genuine exposure of your boy Trump and his corrupt clique as a 'hoax' - turning reality on its head.
You continue to suck up and parrot the deranged conspiracy theories of the alt-right swamp and the shameless apologists for the most talentless and inept US President in history (the bar wasn't too high either) whilst pretending that you are objective and neutral. Nothing could be further from the truth - you are a keyboard propagandist and troll.
You manage every time to paint up as down and right and wrong. You turn words and ideas inside out - usually as a deliberate and weaselly strategy of deflecting from the hammerings you have been given here on a regular basis. Every time you claim some false 'victory' on here I see the black knight from Monty Python And The Holy Grail - no legs, no arms, not laid a glove or scored a hit, but still giving it big. The black knight was funny though.
Just my opinion. :biggrin:
No wish to get involved in any Trump/Russia/Conspiracy shit but lets be fair. There are a few keyboard propagandists on here. There's one in your mirror :hehe:
The Surgisphere and Recovery trials have both been discredited, so where is the proof that Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work an early stage therapeutic?
Unfortunately there is a considerably higher bar to get over than there being no proof that it doesn't work.
ccfc_is_my_life
16-06-20, 14:05
If only Richard Horton editor of Lancet had shown the same righteous indignation when Andrew Wakefield's MMR bs was exposed rather than taking 12 years to apologise...
No wish to get involved in any Trump/Russia/Conspiracy shit but lets be fair. There are a few keyboard propagandists on here. There's one in your mirror :hehe:
And you are fully entitled to your opinion. :hehe:
You are starting to make lardy & cyril look clever :hehe:
No, he's made a decent case for you being a President Tweety apologist. You said it, now own it.
The Surgisphere and Recovery trials have both been discredited, so where is the proof that Hydroxychloroquine doesn't work an early stage therapeutic?
That's an idiotic statement and not the way science works. How can you prove that something "doesn't work"? That's equivalent to theists asking for proof god doesn't exist.
Wales-Bales
16-06-20, 15:01
No, he's made a decent case for you being a President Tweety apologist. You said it, now own it.
I'm not apologizing for anybody. I just highlighted what a small subgroup from the FBI, CIA, DOJ, DOD and State Department were up to, and the role that the media played in it. It did take a while for my observations to gain traction, but we got there in the end. We have now reached the final stages where we find out the Who, What, Where, When, How & Why of it all.
the other bob wilson
16-06-20, 16:34
I see one of the scientists at today's briefing specifically mentioned Hydroxychloroquine as as a drug that has been proven not to be effective in hospital settings.
the other bob wilson
17-06-20, 05:14
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/15/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-fda-emergency-authorization
Eric Cartman
17-06-20, 05:54
That seems pretty clear to me
A Quiet Monkfish
17-06-20, 08:15
All I said is the Russia collusion narrative was a setup to overthrow a president. All the lies and propaganda can be attributed to other posters on here, and don't forget you were also taken in by the hoax!
Most were/are taken in by Neil Ferguson, including the Government. A cursory stroll through the internet will bring up account after account of his failed and flawed history, the reasons why his 'computer modelling' is pure speculation. But it's his tune we've all been dancing to..
Heisenberg
17-06-20, 09:14
Most were/are taken in by Neil Ferguson, including the Government. A cursory stroll through the internet will bring up account after account of his failed and flawed history, the reasons why his 'computer modelling' is pure speculation. But it's his tune we've all been dancing to..
There's as much space as you need below to list your qualifications and expertise in these matters, and then give us your detailed explanation why you disagree with the most qualified people in this Country.
Then again you could just f*ck off and let the grown ups get on with it..
:sherlock:
You're going to be really mad at me, aren't you?
A Quiet Monkfish
17-06-20, 10:10
:sherlock:
You're going to be really mad at me, aren't you?
Not really. I think you're probably just a sad loser who tries hard to appear cool and tough on here to compensate.
Heisenberg
17-06-20, 10:11
Not really. I think you're probably just a sad loser who tries hard to appear cool and tough on here to compensate.
There's as much space as you need below to list your qualifications and expertise in these matters.
Wales-Bales
05-07-20, 17:49
Hydroxychloroquine lowers COVID-19 death rate, Henry Ford Health study finds
https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/
Fantastic news :thumbup:
cyril evans awaydays
23-07-20, 21:13
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/508782-new-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-ineffective-at-treating-covid-19
life on mars
23-07-20, 21:19
God this thread is just bullsit, there's better poltics out there
cyril evans awaydays
23-07-20, 21:21
God this thread is just bullsit, there's better poltics out there
Gosh....where oh great leader and why?
life on mars
23-07-20, 21:23
Gosh....where oh great leader and why?
Tune in to your revolution.
cyril evans awaydays
23-07-20, 21:33
Tune in to your revolution.
Ok....tuned in....Why is this thread, including your numerous contributions to it bullsit and why?
life on mars
23-07-20, 21:36
Ok....tuned in....Why is this thread, including your numerous contributions to it bullsit and why?
I leave that one for you to work out , as you think you have most answers to most things 😉
cyril evans awaydays
23-07-20, 21:42
I leave that one for you to work out , as you think you have most answers to most things ��
This time of night you are probably best left alone with your thoughts as it seems you are neither able to justify them nor expand upon them.
Wales-Bales
25-07-20, 18:40
Yale Professor of Epidemiology says tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily.
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
Article published in the American Journal of Epidemiology
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586
Wales-Bales
25-07-20, 18:43
God this thread is just bullsit, there's better poltics out there
For some, the politics is more important than the people.
life on mars
25-07-20, 22:36
For some, the politics is more important than the people.
Indeed, with most in denial.
the other bob wilson
26-07-20, 05:15
To move away from the far right mutual appreciation society that is saying the argument about this drug is just down to politics, surely there have to be question marks over any potential treatment that divides the scientists as much as this does? There are others that have not attracted the disagreement this one has and others that scientists are united in being hopeful about it.
A Quiet Monkfish
26-07-20, 17:31
To move away from the far right mutual appreciation society that is saying the argument about this drug is just down to politics, surely there have to be question marks over any potential treatment that divides the scientists as much as this does? There are others that have not attracted the disagreement this one has and others that scientists are united in being hopeful about it.
I think you'll find the scientists are in general disagreement about pretty much everything to do with Covid 19.
cyril evans awaydays
26-07-20, 20:04
I think you'll find the scientists are in general disagreement about pretty much everything to do with Covid 19.
Pretty much everything you say. What are the overwhelming majority of things you think they disagree about?
Wash DC Blue
29-07-20, 12:51
To move away from the far right mutual appreciation society that is saying the argument about this drug is just down to politics, surely there have to be question marks over any potential treatment that divides the scientists as much as this does? There are others that have not attracted the disagreement this one has and others that scientists are united in being hopeful about it.
It really seems political to me.
If Trump hadn’t endorsed hydroxychloroquine....there wouldn’t be anywhere near the level of skepticism or backlash at its use as a therapeutic.
I don’t know if this guys background but he makes a compelling argument for the drugs usage and a plea to stop politicizing it.
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
the other bob wilson
29-07-20, 12:59
It really seems political to me.
If Trump hadn’t endorsed hydroxychloroquine....there wouldn’t be anywhere near the level of skepticism or backlash at its use as a therapeutic.
I don’t know if this guys background but he makes a compelling argument for the drugs usage and a plea to stop politicizing it.
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
Posting the same message that Gluey did a few days ago doesn't prove that the arguments about this drug are political. The fact that all of those defending it on here before you come from the same side politically doesn't help such a claim either.
Wash DC Blue
29-07-20, 13:50
Posting the same message that Gluey did a few days ago doesn't prove that the arguments about this drug are political. The fact that all of those defending it on here before you come from the same side politically doesn't help such a claim either.
Apologies for reposting, but isn’t a highly qualified epidemiologist from Yale advocating the drugs efficacy and calling mentioning it’s politicization a cause for concern?
The same goes for those clowns who downplay the efficacy of wearing a mask.
I’m 100% neutral politically when it comes to this virus and view a united front as the best way for us to win.
What a dreamer I am.
the other bob wilson
29-07-20, 14:21
Apologies for reposting, but isn’t a highly qualified epidemiologist from Yale advocating the drugs efficacy and calling mentioning it’s politicization a cause for concern?
The same goes for those clowns who downplay the efficacy of wearing a mask.
I’m 100% neutral politically when it comes to this virus and view a united front as the best way for us to win.
What a dreamer I am.
The trouble is that to believe that it is really all about political posturing means that you have to accept that all of those scientists and health organisations who argue against the drug are doing so purely because of politics, then you must surely have to accept that there is a chance that politics are motivating those who argue against them as well.
I agree with you about the dreamer bit because my point about scientists disagreeing about this drug was made from a standpoint that they was looking at it from a purely scientific point of view which I suppose is pretty naive really.
Wash DC Blue
29-07-20, 15:25
The trouble is that to believe that it is really all about political posturing means that you have to accept that all of those scientists and health organisations who argue against the drug are doing so purely because of politics, then you must surely have to accept that there is a chance that politics are motivating those who argue against them as well.
I agree with you about the dreamer bit because my point about scientists disagreeing about this drug was made from a standpoint that they was looking at it from a purely scientific point of view which I suppose is pretty naive really.
It’s a massive shame that it is even a possibility.
I wish Trump had kept his mouth shut and let the scientists do the talking.
Fauci is the target of discrediting attempts by certain people of a political persuasion and it’s all taking us further into the mire.
Wales-Bales
29-07-20, 18:23
The trouble is that to believe that it is really all about political posturing means that you have to accept that all of those scientists and health organisations who argue against the drug are doing so purely because of politics, then you must surely have to accept that there is a chance that politics are motivating those who argue against them as well.
I agree with you about the dreamer bit because my point about scientists disagreeing about this drug was made from a standpoint that they was looking at it from a purely scientific point of view which I suppose is pretty naive really.
The problem with Hydroxychloroquine is it's dirt cheap and out of patent, so there is no money to be made by the big pharmaceutical corporations. Also many scientific institutions are funded these very same corporations, and individuals may not be in a position to speak freely on the matter. Off the top of my head Ferguson, Fauci and Whitty have all received large research grants from big pharma. Those who do speak out are putting their careers on the line. Bill Gates also wants to see the entire global population vaccinated, and has just said each person will require 3 shots, so that's potentially over 21 billion doses.
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