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Elwood Blues
29-10-20, 13:29
I know it is Politics but I think important enough to go on the main board initially.
The Labour party have suspended Jeremy Corbyn.
It appears to be as a response to his statement this morning in response to the Labour Anti Semitism report which was critical of him.
He refused to apologise and said the report dramatically overstated the situation.
Whrn he refused to withdraw the statement he had the whip withdrawn and was suspended from the party
Have details ever emerged on anti Semitic goings on in the Labour Party?
Former Labour leader
29-10-20, 13:50
Have details ever emerged on anti Semitic goings on in the Labour Party?
The report by the Equalities Commission has brought this about.
Elwood Blues
29-10-20, 13:54
Have details ever emerged on anti Semitic goings on in the Labour Party?
Yes the report by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission is out this morning..
Pretty scathing apparently.
It was his response to the report which has got him suspended
https://labourlist.org/2020/10/corbyn-claims-labour-antisemitism-was-dramatically-overstated/
“Antisemitism is absolutely abhorrent, wrong and responsible for some of humanity’s greatest crimes. As Leader of the Labour Party I was always determined to eliminate all forms of racism and root out the cancer of antisemitism. I have campaigned in support of Jewish people and communities my entire life and I will continue to do so.
“The EHRC’s report shows that when I became Labour leader in 2015, the Party’s processes for handling complaints were not fit for purpose. Reform was then stalled by an obstructive party bureaucracy. But from 2018, Jennie Formby and a new NEC that supported my leadership made substantial improvements, making it much easier and swifter to remove antisemites. My team acted to speed up, not hinder the process.
“Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left.
“Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should.
“One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated.
“My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”
The bold text appears to be the controversial part of his reaction alongside no apology offered.
I can respect that he felt that he had been obstructed from the start, this real issue had been amplified to damage his brand and what he wanted to do and that he was at risk of being hung out to dry with history being written by the winners, but was today really the day to make those points? Today was a chance to apologise for there being anti-semitism and an inadequate response to this.
Difficult for the Labour party going forward which cannot win without uniting the centre-left and left of the party while also appealing to those without a fixed political home. If Corbyn continues to be portrayed as the left by his supporters and detractors then how does it unite the party to win real change?
I know it is Politics but I think important enough to go on the main board initially.
The Labour party have suspended Jeremy Corbyn.
It appears to be as a response to his statement this morning in response to the Labour Anti Semitism report which was critical of him.
He refused to apologise and said the report dramatically overstated the situation.
Whrn he refused to withdraw the statement he had the whip withdrawn and was suspended from the party
It was always going to happen. Corbyn isn't Anti Semitic, he's done more to defend the jewish community and other minorities than most politicians. That's not to say that there isn't an element of Anti Semitic behaviour, although most (in my opinion) raised in the form of Zionism and peoples opposition to it. This has been played out by the Tories and the media and made to look much worse than it is. They've got their man, Starmer will be happy.
Our current leader accused Muslim woman who wear the hijab as resembling 'Letterboxes' can you imagine if Corbyn or anyone from the left had said that? This country in the political sense is an absolute shambles.
A Quiet Monkfish
29-10-20, 14:27
I know it is Politics but I think important enough to go on the main board initially.
The Labour party have suspended Jeremy Corbyn.
It appears to be as a response to his statement this morning in response to the Labour Anti Semitism report which was critical of him.
He refused to apologise and said the report dramatically overstated the situation.
Whrn he refused to withdraw the statement he had the whip withdrawn and was suspended from the party
Obviously not contrite enough. Welcome to 2020 when stepping out of line, standing your ground, or offending one group or another is a major crime..
Tweet by John McDonnell:
On the day we should all be moving forward & taking all steps to fight antisemitism, the suspension of Jeremy Corbyn is profoundly wrong. In interests of party unity let’s find a way of undoing & resolving this.
I urge all party members to stay calm as that is the best way to support Jeremy and each other. Let’s all call upon the leadership to lift this suspension.
On this day Labour should be apologising for what has been found and working on taking the steps recommended. Urging party members to stay calm is good as is call for party unity in fighting antisemitism.
Sorry we have a politics forum. Switch this to there
One of the reasons this site is so much better than **** is not scrolling through political rubbish.
If thats what you want theres a place on this site.
Sorry we have a politics forum. Switch this to there
One of the reasons this site is so much better than **** is not scrolling through political rubbish.
If thats what you want theres a place on this site.
Political guff....chuck it
life on mars
29-10-20, 16:55
great news.
Elwood Blues
29-10-20, 18:55
Sorry we have a politics forum. Switch this to there
One of the reasons this site is so much better than **** is not scrolling through political rubbish.
If thats what you want theres a place on this site.
There are some political stories that in my view deserve a wider audience at least for a while.
I have never seen the point of a separate politics board.
It is pretty obvious what the political threads are.
Just ignore them.
When I first came onto this board nearly 20 years ago there was only the one forum and everything was on here. People could contribute as they wished and any threads that didn't interest you you just ignored. If you wanted help on something like DIY or what car to get you would often find help on here
Over the years there have been various calls to set up separate forums but the only one that has been established is on politics.
I can perhaps see a point on setting up such a forum temporarily when an election is on and a lot of threads get set up, but otherwise why not do what I do to the Rock music threads that don't interest me, don't read them
It is not rocket science
splott parker
29-10-20, 19:01
Will that be him, Wilson and Tomlin out for Saturday then:shrug:
Strange that the EHRC chose to ignore 300 complaints from The British Council of Muslims of Islamophobia within the Tory Party allowing the Tories to undertake their own internal review. Then again perhaps it’s not strange when the EHRC board includes a member who gave a donation to the Tories.
Strange that the EHRC chose to ignore 300 complaints from The British Council of Muslims of Islamophobia within the Tory Party allowing the Tories to undertake their own internal review. Then again perhaps it’s not strange when the EHRC board includes a member who gave a donation to the Tories.
SPOT ON:thumbup:
life on mars
29-10-20, 19:52
SPOT ON:thumbup:
Clears that up, free Corbyn
Clears that up, free Corbyn
Nope but it would nice to have a level playing field or do you think Jews are more important than Muslims?
Clears that up, free Corbyn
Where does this post say Corbyn has done no wrong
cyril evans awaydays
29-10-20, 20:03
Strange that the EHRC chose to ignore 300 complaints from The British Council of Muslims of Islamophobia within the Tory Party allowing the Tories to undertake their own internal review. Then again perhaps it’s not strange when the EHRC board includes a member who gave a donation to the Tories.
Pearcey, there are a few on here who spend their days indulging in Whataboutism. The report is damning and and I don't think undermining the body that produced the report has any more merit than those that seek to diminish other institutions that we rely on to protect us from extremism when the boot is on the other foot.
Pearcey, there are a few on here who spend their days indulging in Whataboutism. The report is damning and and I don't think undermining the body that produced the report has any more merit than those that seek to diminish other institutions that we rely on to protect us from extremism when the boot is on the other foot.
So why are the Tories not being investigated. We all know the comments from the likes of Johnson and Goldsmith. What about the 300 complaints from the Muslim Council of Britain?
Eric the Half a Bee
29-10-20, 20:27
Obviously not contrite enough. Welcome to 2020 when stepping out of line, standing your ground, or offending one group or another is a major crime..
Unless you're Boris Johnson talking about pillarboxes and picanninies.
It would appear the witchhunt against Corbyn is now complete. Why he wouldn't endorse the report is a mystery and, for the sake of racism in politics, I agree with the decision to remove his membership.
Unless you're Boris Johnson talking about pillarboxes and picanninies.
It would appear the witchhunt against Corbyn is now complete. Why he wouldn't endorse the report is a mystery and, for the sake of racism in politics, I agree with the decision to remove his membership.
He was in a cleft stick. The report said there was failure within the leadership and that the law was broken. If he had said the report was correct he would have been admitting that the law was broken on his watch. If he speaks against it he gets suspended.
Very neat for those against him, he is in a no win situation.
I don't think he is a bad man and he obviously has some very strongly held personal beliefs, but I believe he had been used and manipulated by others for their own political ends. further than that I couldn't comment on the workings of the labour party as I have no knowledge of it.
Eric the Half a Bee
29-10-20, 22:00
He was in a cleft stick. The report said there was failure within the leadership and that the law was broken. If he had said the report was correct he would have been admitting that the law was broken on his watch. If he speaks against it he gets suspended.
Very neat for those against him, he is in a no win situation.
I don't think he is a bad man and he obviously has some very strongly held personal beliefs, but I believe he had been used and manipulated by others for their own political ends. further than that I couldn't comment on the workings of the labour party as I have no knowledge of it.
I also think it's further proof that anyone with a hint of socialist leanings getting anywhere near the position of being in charge of a government will be squashed by the establishment. No party leader had the attacks on him that Corbyn did. It's also very rare for someone of Corbyn's profile to be put in the position he was.
Politics is a dirty business. Don't fight the establishment.
I also think it's further proof that anyone with a hint of socialist leanings getting anywhere near the position of being in charge of a government will be squashed by the establishment. No party leader had the attacks on him that Corbyn did. It's also very rare for someone of Corbyn's profile to be put in the position he was.
Politics is a dirty business. Don't fight the establishment.
Absolutely
SLUDGE FACTORY
29-10-20, 23:32
Corbyn and his crew were idiots . I am all for democratic socialism but he was off his cake .
life on mars
29-10-20, 23:50
Corbyn and his crew were idiots . I am all for democratic socialism but he was off his cake .
Amen to that.
Just wait for the next Labour civil war to break out as they make thier last stand . I hear Len is fuming folk are ripping up their cards , let's hope Sir Kier holds firm and wins this battle , the unsettled members should man up and form their own party with backing from multi million Seamas Milne and Len of the Unite Union instead of highjacking and destroying a decent one
WJ99mobile
29-10-20, 23:57
Corbyn and his crew were idiots . I am all for democratic socialism but he was off his cake .
In what sense was he off his cake? The fact he wanted to take Labour back to its socialist values?
WJ99mobile
30-10-20, 00:01
At least you knew where you stood with Corbyn.
I didn’t vote for him as I thought the Tory policies helped me better personally but I had a lot more respect for him than Starmer who is just opposition for oppositions sake.
For me, a witch-hunt and a loss for politics.
WJ99mobile
30-10-20, 00:03
I also think it's further proof that anyone with a hint of socialist leanings getting anywhere near the position of being in charge of a government will be squashed by the establishment. No party leader had the attacks on him that Corbyn did. It's also very rare for someone of Corbyn's profile to be put in the position he was.
Politics is a dirty business. Don't fight the establishment.
Brexit killed him off in all honesty.
Brexit split the Labour Party in 2 with no winning solution
In what sense was he off his cake? The fact he wanted to take Labour back to its socialist values?
Well said, not worth the hassle in arguing the toss though. The way people go on is as if Corbyn was ultra left wing, far from it, he was just left wing, a soft socialist, it goes to show how far to the right the labour party have come, and plenty of it's supporters.
At least you knew where you stood with Corbyn.
I didn’t vote for him as I thought the Tory policies helped me better personally but I had a lot more respect for him than Starmer who is just opposition for oppositions sake.
For me, a witch-hunt and a loss for politics.
What a well rounded opinion, even for a Tory :hehe: Nice to hear some balance.
Brexit killed him off in all honesty.
Brexit split the Labour Party in 2 with no winning solution
Corbyn is no fan of the EU, that's for sure. Neither am i, although i voted to stay in.
SLUDGE FACTORY
30-10-20, 00:37
In what sense was he off his cake? The fact he wanted to take Labour back to its socialist values?
He was an idiot , the Labour Party was founded on fairness not bullying which 8s what he abbot and mcluskey were about
If this country had a sensible left of centre opposition we would have a real alternative to the tories
He was an idiot , the Labour Party was founded on fairness not bullying which 8s what he abbot and mcluskey were about
If this country had a sensible left of centre opposition we would have a real alternative to the tories
we really wouldn't. The Tories filled that void during the Cameron years, Boris is slightly more right wing.
the other bob wilson
30-10-20, 05:44
There are some political stories that in my view deserve a wider audience at least for a while.
I have never seen the point of a separate politics board.
It is pretty obvious what the political threads are.
Just ignore them.
When I first came onto this board nearly 20 years ago there was only the one forum and everything was on here. People could contribute as they wished and any threads that didn't interest you you just ignored. If you wanted help on something like DIY or what car to get you would often find help on here
Over the years there have been various calls to set up separate forums but the only one that has been established is on politics.
I can perhaps see a point on setting up such a forum temporarily when an election is on and a lot of threads get set up, but otherwise why not do what I do to the Rock music threads that don't interest me, don't read them
It is not rocket science
I started a thread about this on the politics board hours before this one with a post that expressed no opinion at all, just a link to the BBC story on the report because I figured that it was the right place to put it.
Eric the Half a Bee
30-10-20, 07:11
we really wouldn't. The Tories filled that void during the Cameron years, Boris is slightly more right wing.
The left of centre void? Really? Placing Boris as a centrist......
lisvaneblue
30-10-20, 07:39
In what sense was he off his cake? The fact he wanted to take Labour back to its socialist values?
And 12 months ago the public in a general election voted that they didn't want it
“One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated.
Was it overstated by amplified inside the party?
Luciana Berger, MP: "“I call a spade a spade. If someone themselves makes anti-Semitic comments, if someone themselves shares a platform with anti-Semites, they’re anti-Semitic.”
Was it weaponized by opponents outside the party?
Undoubtedly. There was a report on the Tory party conference having a panel about Islamaphobia where each question selected from the audience was about anti-Semitism in the Labour party. Every slightest thing, wearing a crooked tie for example despite now supporting a prime minister who deliberately messes his hair up before TV appearances, was weaponised against Corbyn. Heck, Corbyn was mocked for wearing a green tie by Tory MP's so May had to quickly tell them it was an anniversary of the Grenfell fire.
Does that matter?
It can only be amplified, weaponised or overstated if there is something enough there, and Corbyn's response to it was inadequate. He was not/is not an anti-Semite but he did lack understanding, did lack leadership skills and, potentially because he felt obstructed from his party let alone outside, he became firstly resistant to any criticism and then resistant and willing to awkwardly counterpunch which is how supporters of his then acted also, some of them without any restraint and some of who were certainly anti-Semitic. But in doing so that moved him and the party under him slightly so no longer could claim to oppose all racism and caused a lot of pain to innocent people.
Was yesterday the day to explain or defend his actions further?
No. He should have apologised but again showed a lack of leadership skills.
Was he all bad?
Not at all. Under Corbyn many Black, brown, LGBT+, poor, refugee, and disabled people felt politics truly cared about them for the first time. Corbyn only became leader because many people felt they had been pushed out from politics for too long and, despite a minority believing in Corbyn or his ability to deliver, the ideas he presented from a soft European left perspective were overwhelmingly popular when polled individually. I mean, in hindsight did we need internet access for all this year or pushing ahead haphazardly with Brexit? If Labour are to win real change then the ideas and some of his behaviour will have to be continued.
The left of centre void? Really? Placing Boris as a centrist......
Blair taught the modern day Tories how to min an election and stay in power, Maybe Not Centrist (which is almost always right wing, like Independants) But certainly not to the right of previous tory administrations.
It was always going to happen. Corbyn isn't Anti Semitic, he's done more to defend the jewish community and other minorities than most politicians. That's not to say that there isn't an element of Anti Semitic behaviour, although most (in my opinion) raised in the form of Zionism and peoples opposition to it. This has been played out by the Tories and the media and made to look much worse than it is. They've got their man, Starmer will be happy.
Our current leader accused Muslim woman who wear the hijab as resembling 'Letterboxes' can you imagine if Corbyn or anyone from the left had said that? This country in the political sense is an absolute shambles.
What a ridiculous post. It flies in the face of all the evidence about Corbyn to the contrary and is a typical left wing/socialist ‘stick your head in the sand’ response. Most of the evidence against him has been provided by his own MP’s and officials, a number of whom resigned in protest at his lack of action. How anyone can speak in defence of such a man is a disgrace - perhaps only a card carrying member of Momentum ?
Christ. The Socialist Workers Party members are out in force today aren't they, in support of the busted flush that is poor old little Jeremy Corbyn and the dinosaur Labour Party.
WJ99mobile
30-10-20, 09:04
And 12 months ago the public in a general election voted that they didn't want it
On the back of brexit.
If brexit wasn’t an issue I think corbyn would be prime minister.
Lost half its support not going for it and the other half by not being the opposition
lisvaneblue
30-10-20, 10:01
On the back of brexit.
If brexit wasn’t an issue I think corbyn would be prime minister.
Lost half its support not going for it and the other half by not being the opposition
So you're saying he deserved to lose and the voting public were right
Eric the Half a Bee
30-10-20, 10:05
Blair taught the modern day Tories how to min an election and stay in power, Maybe Not Centrist (which is almost always right wing, like Independants) But certainly not to the right of previous tory administrations.
I would argue this current adminstration has moved quite a bit to the right. It has placated UKIP and Brexit Party members, most of whom were further right than usual Tory governments and are trying to control as much as they possibly can.
There is a centre ground in politics for the taking. Unfortunately, anything left of that is becoming marginalised. I find this strange, as left wing policies are often winners. Take the free school meals/Rashford thing for example. I find it strange that the political left are now being ridiculed, often by people who support left wing policies. It doesn't take a genius to work out why.
Eric the Half a Bee
30-10-20, 10:10
So you're saying he deserved to lose and the voting public were right
Why do you think left wing policies are broadly more popular than right wing policies, yet the current political pendulum is swinging right at the moment?
I also think it's further proof that anyone with a hint of socialist leanings getting anywhere near the position of being in charge of a government will be squashed by the establishment. No party leader had the attacks on him that Corbyn did. It's also very rare for someone of Corbyn's profile to be put in the position he was.
Politics is a dirty business. Don't fight the establishment.
Its incredible to me that a huge swathe of the country bought a lot of the shit that was peddled about Corbyn. Was he perfect? Of course not, but he's not the Antichrist he was portrayed to be for offering fairly sensible socialist policies.
Yesterday pretty much confirmed there won't be another left of centre government in the UK for at least another generation
Its incredible to me that a huge swathe of the country bought a lot of the shit that was peddled about Corbyn. Was he perfect? Of course not, but he's not the Antichrist he was portrayed to be for offering fairly sensible socialist policies.
Yesterday pretty much confirmed there won't be another left of centre government in the UK for at least another generation
I think it's because of an incessant hysterical right wing media who have been allowed to get away with it because it suits the bosses and big business. We also have huge swathes of people who seem influenced by reactionary jingoistic 2 liners on social media, add to that, personality politics. Plenty of cretins seem at home in accepting Boris as a 'bit of a boy' bumbling nut funny, i really think that some people chose their politics based on who they'd prefer to go on the piss with. Corbyn is portrayed as non patriotic, a friend of terrorists, a champion of scroungers and snowflakes,scruffy, boring etc. His policies couldn't really be discussed or analysed by those who bought into all of that, because it may have meant that they had to sit down and read a balanced article, then make an informed decision.
Corbyn even had his own parliamentary party against him, many of them to the right or careerists with absolutely zero appetite in fighting for working class people and improving their lives. He's not even close to being far left, he's a soft socialist. It speaks volumes that he's seen that way.
I would argue this current adminstration has moved quite a bit to the right. It has placated UKIP and Brexit Party members, most of whom were further right than usual Tory governments and are trying to control as much as they possibly can.
There is a centre ground in politics for the taking. Unfortunately, anything left of that is becoming marginalised. I find this strange, as left wing policies are often winners. Take the free school meals/Rashford thing for example. I find it strange that the political left are now being ridiculed, often by people who support left wing policies. It doesn't take a genius to work out why.
In hindsight, i agree with you about Boris and his chums. Certainly the case under Cameron though, he tried a soft Tory line, trying to emulate Blair.
Elwood Blues
30-10-20, 11:56
I started a thread about this on the politics board hours before this one with a post that expressed no opinion at all, just a link to the BBC story on the report because I figured that it was the right place to put it.
I feel that there are certain political stories that deserve wider circulation and discussion than the politics forum which is bit of graveyard if you want a proper discussion of the issues.
The story of the previous leader of the main opposition party being suspended by his successor
and having the whip withdrawn was I felt such a story
On a general point I have seen some good threads which were generating some decent debates die a death as soon as they go onto the politics forum.
Even I have rarely looked at it in recent months. Most decent political debate (and to be fair a lot of rubbish as well!) has taken place on the main Coronovirus thread plus a few related ones as well
I feel that there are certain political stories that deserve wider circulation and discussion than the politics forum which is bit of graveyard if you want a proper discussion of the issues.
The story of the previous leader of the main opposition party being suspended by his successor
and having the whip withdrawn was I felt such a story
On a general point I have seen some good threads which were generating some decent debates die a death as soon as they go onto the politics forum.
Even I have rarely looked at it in recent months. Most decent political debate (and to be fair a lot of rubbish as well!) has taken place on the main Coronovirus thread plus a few related ones as well
You have my support on this one, Comrade :thumbup:
I think it's because of an incessant hysterical right wing media who have been allowed to get away with it because it suits the bosses and big business. We also have huge swathes of people who seem influenced by reactionary jingoistic 2 liners on social media, add to that, personality politics. Plenty of cretins seem at home in accepting Boris as a 'bit of a boy' bumbling nut funny, i really think that some people chose their politics based on who they'd prefer to go on the piss with. Corbyn is portrayed as non patriotic, a friend of terrorists, a champion of scroungers and snowflakes,scruffy, boring etc. His policies couldn't really be discussed or analysed by those who bought into all of that, because it may have meant that they had to sit down and read a balanced article, then make an informed decision.
Corbyn even had his own parliamentary party against him, many of them to the right or careerists with absolutely zero appetite in fighting for working class people and improving their lives. He's not even close to being far left, he's a soft socialist. It speaks volumes that he's seen that way.
I know, I just don't get how people can't see through it. Surely at some point in a 5 year hate campaign you stop and ask yourself "Why are they doing this? What do they have to gain from it?".
The right of the Labour Party perceive the left as their real enemy and always have. Any real change threatens them. All I see from them is "we need to get the Tories out". I agree, but just getting them out isn't good enough. A Labour government should be a means to an end, not an end in itself.
the other bob wilson
30-10-20, 12:41
I know, I just don't get how people can't see through it. Surely at some point in a 5 year hate campaign you stop and ask yourself "Why are they doing this? What do they have to gain from it?".
The right of the Labour Party perceive the left as their real enemy and always have. Any real change threatens them. All I see from them is "we need to get the Tories out". I agree, but just getting them out isn't good enough. A Labour government should be a means to an end, not an end in itself.
Sorry, I disagree, I don't class myself as on the right of the Labour party politically, but the need to "get the Tories out" takes priority every time over any desire to nobble the left or right wing of Labour. for me. Someone texted Radio Five's breakfast programme this morning to say that they joined the Labour party to try to ensure that people like Starmer never became its leader again - for me, that sort of attitude sums up what has been wrong about Labour for virtually all of my lifetime (certainly for as long as I have been able to vote).
WJ99mobile
30-10-20, 12:50
So you're saying he deserved to lose and the voting public were right
Depends how you view it.
It seems all major parties are being split due to the race to the middle ground.
I know, I just don't get how people can't see through it. Surely at some point in a 5 year hate campaign you stop and ask yourself "Why are they doing this? What do they have to gain from it?".
The right of the Labour Party perceive the left as their real enemy and always have. Any real change threatens them. All I see from them is "we need to get the Tories out". I agree, but just getting them out isn't good enough. A Labour government should be a means to an end, not an end in itself.
Well said. This is what it has come down to. Protecting the rich and more affluent, in some cases apologising for them. We even have fair minded people with a social conscience accepting that Labour needs to be right wing in order to gain the trust of the electorate.
SLUDGE FACTORY
30-10-20, 13:24
Well said. This is what it has come down to. Protecting the rich and more affluent, in some cases apologising for them. We even have fair minded people with a social conscience accepting that Labour needs to be right wing in order to gain the trust of the electorate.
Labour need to be centerist to gain power . We have a far better chance of getting left of centre politics implemented with someone like starmer or nandy in charge than corbyn . A socialist party will never be elected in this country , I would like to see it , but its never going to happen .
I would like to see a stronger Liberal party so between us we can kick the feck into the tories and not stand in certain seats
Those people in Bridgend who voted tory will soon regret it
I know it is Politics but I think important enough to go on the main board initially.
The Labour party have suspended Jeremy Corbyn.
It appears to be as a response to his statement this morning in response to the Labour Anti Semitism report which was critical of him.
He refused to apologise and said the report dramatically overstated the situation.
Whrn he refused to withdraw the statement he had the whip withdrawn and was suspended from the party
Corbyn and his ilk are despicable they have ruined the peoples party which now loves everyone apart from the white working class and obviously jews.
kick out the whole of the pyschos in momemtum
Labour need to be centerist to gain power . We have a far better chance of getting left of centre politics implemented with someone like starmer or nandy in charge than corbyn . A socialist party will never be elected in this country , I would like to see it , but its never going to happen .
I would like to see a stronger Liberal party so between us we can kick the feck into the tories and not stand in certain seats
Those people in Bridgend who voted tory will soon regret it
the problem with all the parties is this.
the tories have no conservatives anymore
the liberals are totally illiberal
and labour doesn't give a shit about the white working class anymore
SLUDGE FACTORY
30-10-20, 13:33
the problem with all the parties is this.
the tories have no conservatives anymore
the liberals are totally illiberal
and labour doesn't give a shit about the white working class anymore
I think the working class , of all backgrounds , have and always have been dumped on by all parties in this country
You are an mp and you fiddle your expenses ?
Slap on the wrists
You are a working class bloke and do a cash job ?
I think the working class , of all backgrounds , have and always have been dumped on by all parties in this country
You are an mp and you fiddle your expenses ?
Slap on the wrists
You are a working class bloke and do a cash job ?
He's right about White working class. Things get bad for them and it filters, women and kids get worse treatment and standards, as do minorities, crimes rises, addiction, mental health and unbelievably, the rise in racism and far right politics. Align in to Trumps success and Brexit.
lisvaneblue
30-10-20, 15:39
Why do you think left wing policies are broadly more popular than right wing policies, yet the current political pendulum is swinging right at the moment?
His agenda of nationalisation on a grand scale was very far to the left and I don't think voters were ready for such an extreme swing. Added to that he showed several times that he dithered on key decisions.
Here was a modest man with strong left views who never expected to be leader of the Labour Party. He was carried along by Momentum and Unite and it became evident that he was a puppet leader with other people pulling the strings.
I saw a post that said Labour ‘lost half it’s support’ last time. Labour increased its vote from 2017 by 1 million. The Tories won because the UKIP vote totally collapsed and joined dear Boris Farage.
life on mars
30-10-20, 18:56
Brexit killed him off in all honesty.
Brexit split the Labour Party in 2 with no winning solution
Think it was more complicated than that , I dont think he had leadership qualities , he was he was stuck in the past ,it appeared he was controlled by others behind the scene, and he must have been aware how antisemitism was playing out , he was leading a party which was divided by its own supporters.
Corbyn lost his way and let in the fool Boris with a huge majority, he and his inner group selfishly put Labour back years for thier ideology and fear of centralist type policies, its as if the party had been highjacked and damaged for all the wrong reasons .
Labour now needs to find new voters and supporters , if that means more suspensions so be it, the alternative is a Tory party with buffon Boris in power for a very long time.
Starmer is not perfect I would have preferred a braver appointment like electing its first female leader in the guise of Lisa Nandy , sadly that seems to be a step too far for Labour , I think Bailey runnning put an end to Lisa Nandy opportunity?
Think it was more complicated than that , I dont think he had leadership qualities , he was he was stuck in the past ,it appeared he was controlled by others behind the scene, and he must have been aware how antisemitism was playing out , he was leading a party which was divided by its own supporters.
Corbyn lost his way and let in the fool Boris with a huge majority, he and his inner group selfishly put Labour back years for thier ideology and fear of centralist type policies, its as if the party had been highjacked and damaged for all the wrong reasons .
Labour now needs to find new voters and supporters , if that means more suspensions so be it, the alternative is a Tory party with buffon Boris in power for a very long time.
Starmer is not perfect I would have preferred a braver appointment like electing its first female leader in the guise of Lisa Nandy , sadly that seems to be a step too far for Labour , I think Bailey runnning put an end to Lisa Nandy opportunity?
Not Nandy, Please. Starmer is the boy for the establishment, Nandy if a confused, substanceless Centrist. I believe even her own father accused her of being right Wing.
WJ99mobile
30-10-20, 20:08
Think it was more complicated than that , I dont think he had leadership qualities , he was he was stuck in the past ,it appeared he was controlled by others behind the scene, and he must have been aware how antisemitism was playing out , he was leading a party which was divided by its own supporters.
Corbyn lost his way and let in the fool Boris with a huge majority, he and his inner group selfishly put Labour back years for thier ideology and fear of centralist type policies, its as if the party had been highjacked and damaged for all the wrong reasons .
Labour now needs to find new voters and supporters , if that means more suspensions so be it, the alternative is a Tory party with buffon Boris in power for a very long time.
Starmer is not perfect I would have preferred a braver appointment like electing its first female leader in the guise of Lisa Nandy , sadly that seems to be a step too far for Labour , I think Bailey runnning put an end to Lisa Nandy opportunity?
With respect I strongly disagree with you
Stuck in the past but the majority of his strongest supporters was the youth?
Like I said previous, I didn’t vote for Corbyn but I was bloody close in doing so. The majority of the reason I didn’t was because of the rest of his party (and Brexit)
life on mars
31-10-20, 11:30
Not Nandy, Please. Starmer is the boy for the establishment, Nandy if a confused, substanceless Centrist. I believe even her own father accused her of being right Wing.
Gosh didn't know that interesting ,just thought as a northerner and not another Londoner based leader she would have appealed to the electorate , and was more left of the party than you describe, I do think ver time Starmer will slowly drift into the centre though ?
It was always going to happen. Corbyn isn't Anti Semitic, he's done more to defend the jewish community and other minorities than most politicians. That's not to say that there isn't an element of Anti Semitic behaviour, although most (in my opinion) raised in the form of Zionism and peoples opposition to it. This has been played out by the Tories and the media and made to look much worse than it is. They've got their man, Starmer will be happy.
Our current leader accused Muslim woman who wear the hijab as resembling 'Letterboxes' can you imagine if Corbyn or anyone from the left had said that? This country in the political sense is an absolute shambles.
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