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the other bob wilson
31-10-20, 11:41
https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1322465213870989317
I see that renowned polymath Nadine Dorries has said tonight that no one could have predicted the need for the English lockdown. I think she needs to get back to eating grubs in the jungle.
Jordi Culé
31-10-20, 22:45
I see that renowned polymath Nadine Dorries has said tonight that no one could have predicted the need for the English lockdown. I think she needs to get back to eating grubs in the jungle.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndyBurnhamGM/status/1322588521329295360
the other bob wilson
01-11-20, 12:20
I see some Tory MPs who were accusing Starmer and Burnham of playing party politics a few weeks ago are now accusing those who are pointing out that the Government is now doing what they wanted and more, of, wait for it, playing party politics :hehe:. Can't they see how ridiculous comments like that make them look?
I see some Tory MPs who were accusing Starmer and Burnham of playing party politics a few weeks ago are now accusing those who are pointing out that the Government is now doing what they wanted and more, of, wait for it, playing party politics :hehe:. Can't they see how ridiculous comments like that make them look?
I notice Ian Duncan Smith has complained today that Johnson was wrong to have imposed the lockdown and should "stop listening to the advice of scientists". If this hadn't come out of the mouth of a Brexiteer I would wonder if we're living in some fantasy universe.
cyril evans awaydays
01-11-20, 16:43
I notice Ian Duncan Smith has complained today that Johnson was wrong to have imposed the lockdown and should "stop listening to the advice of scientists". If this hadn't come out of the mouth of a Brexiteer I would wonder if we're living in some fantasy universe.
I thought they had stopped listening to the advice of scientists. What other explanation for the "virus is much more malignant than anyone could have predicted" line doing the rounds as a pathetic excuse for their actions and inactions could there be?
the other bob wilson
02-11-20, 06:25
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/01/mixed-messages-boris-johnsons-quotes-on-covid-lockdowns
the other bob wilson
05-11-20, 11:07
With friends like this.........................
https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/boris-johnson-tom-bower-book-review-rory-stewart/
With friends like this.........................
https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/boris-johnson-tom-bower-book-review-rory-stewart/
Well worth the read. Thanks for the link. :thumbup:
https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/1325137653851828230?s=19
a former Obama spokesman there not pulling his punches
the other bob wilson
08-11-20, 13:08
I see they've u turned on free school meals now - the right decision, but why get to a position where their MPs were forced into having to vote against it a few weeks earlier? Sheer ineptitude.
Elwood Blues
08-11-20, 15:58
I see they've u turned on free school meals now - the right decision, but why get to a position where their MPs were forced into having to vote against it a few weeks earlier? Sheer ineptitude.
I think Boris has a stubborn streak as well. He will change direction but on his own terms.
Elwood Blues
08-11-20, 16:06
https://twitter.com/TVietor08/status/1325137653851828230?s=19
a former Obama spokesman there not pulling his punches
On the other hand Senator Chris Coons a close friend of Joe Biden and tipped as a possible future Secretary of State has said that the links between the UK and USA are "significant and enduring" and that the Democratic Party do not see Boris as "Britain's Trump".
Yes Boris has made some unfortunate remarks but Biden is known as a pragmatist. Britain is chairing the G7 and the Climate Change conference next year the two countries will have to work together.
On the other hand Senator Chris Coons a close friend of Joe Biden and tipped as a possible future Secretary of State has said that the links between the UK and USA are "significant and enduring" and that the Democratic Party do not see Boris as "Britain's Trump".
Yes Boris has made some unfortunate remarks but Biden is known as a pragmatist. Britain is chairing the G7 and the Climate Change conference next year the two countries will have to work together.
I hope Boris doesn't address him by his surname.
cyril evans awaydays
08-11-20, 18:58
On the other hand Senator Chris Coons a close friend of Joe Biden and tipped as a possible future Secretary of State has said that the links between the UK and USA are "significant and enduring" and that the Democratic Party do not see Boris as "Britain's Trump".
Yes Boris has made some unfortunate remarks but Biden is known as a pragmatist. Britain is chairing the G7 and the Climate Change conference next year the two countries will have to work together.
I don't think that a Biden Presidency compared with a Trump Presidency will make a great deal of difference to the level of exploitation that the US will make of the UK's fragile negotiating position now it is outside the EU. Just less photo opportunities for the likes of Nigel Farage.
Rumours that Biden will make Obama the ambassador to the UK. Now that would be fun... :hehe:
the other bob wilson
10-11-20, 18:42
What an odd thing to do.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/10/johnsons-biden-win-tweet-contains-hidden-trump-congratulations
the other bob wilson
10-11-20, 19:04
This is brilliant, especially the bit about Clouseau :hehe:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/10/four-seasons-total-landscaping-rudy-giuliani
Elwood Blues
10-11-20, 20:56
This is brilliant, especially the bit about Clouseau :hehe:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/10/four-seasons-total-landscaping-rudy-giuliani
Fairly amusing but scarcely brilliant, but we all have different points of view.
I see tonight that despite the faux pas over the tweet, we were still the second country Biden called after Trudeau.
before Macron or Merkel
To be honest I am not sure whether it means anything (although LBC seemed to think that the order the President Elect's first calls are made is important, Theresa May was ninth in line for Trump 4 years ago).
However Macron was apparently 3rd in line followed by Merkel and you can bet your bottom dollar that if Biden had called them first there would have been some on here sneering that the fact they had come first showed that he valued them more than our leader!
Elwood Blues
10-11-20, 20:58
I hope Boris doesn't address him by his surname.
"Yo Biden" you mean!
the other bob wilson
11-11-20, 08:03
Fairly amusing but scarcely brilliant, but we all have different points of view.
I see tonight that despite the faux pas over the tweet, we were still the second country Biden called after Trudeau.
before Macron or Merkel
To be honest I am not sure whether it means anything (although LBC seemed to think that the order the President Elect's first calls are made is important, Theresa May was ninth in line for Trump 4 years ago).
However Macron was apparently 3rd in line followed by Merkel and you can bet your bottom dollar that if Biden had called them first there would have been some on here sneering that the fact they had come first showed that he valued them more than our leader!
it's brilliant because it captures exactly the ludicrous "we meant it all along" attitude of people who see admitting to a mistake as a sign of weakness - Gluey was always at it on here.
This Government has possibly set a record for the highest number of u turns made by any administration in the first year of its existence, but I'm struggling to think of an example where they've admitted to being wrong with their initial policy.
On a personal level, I was later told by the Chairwoman of a promotion board that I passed that the moment all three people interviewing me decided to recommend me for promotion was when I stopped in mid answer and said "on hang on, I'm wrong there, what I should have said was............".
Any person or organisation who cannot see that ploughing on regardless rather than admitting to being wrong and correcting yourself can often make them look foolish is not worthy of the respect which they clearly crave in my book.
As for that altered tweet, the whole point about it as I see it is more about why not just put together a new one? It would have cost little in terms of money and time and immediately overcome any possible embarrassment and/or loss of face.
the other bob wilson
12-11-20, 11:48
On the day when the most sympathetic Covid deaths figure for the UK passed 50,000 (the first European country to reach that figure), the Governing party is in turmoil, not because of the virus or the economic consequences of it, but because of the sort of internal wrangling which has dictated politics in this country for getting on for ten years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54907188
Elwood Blues
12-11-20, 13:10
On the day when the most sympathetic Covid deaths figure for the UK passed 50,000 (the first European country to reach that figure), the Governing party is in turmoil, not because of the virus or the economic consequences of it, but because of the sort of internal wrangling which has dictated politics in this country for getting on for ten years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54907188
Carrie Symonds for PM???????
the other bob wilson
12-11-20, 14:50
Carrie Symonds for PM???????
Well, you get the feeling it's either her or Dominic Cummings and the Westminster village gossip is that he'll be gone once Brexit is sorted, mind you, that could mean he's got a job for life.
Elwood Blues
13-11-20, 15:35
Well, you get the feeling it's either her or Dominic Cummings and the Westminster village gossip is that he'll be gone once Brexit is sorted, mind you, that could mean he's got a job for life.
By Bye Dominic according to today's press reports.
How long until the tory party find Carrie a seat and make her PM!!!
Mind you seems like she will soon be de facto PM anyway!
the other bob wilson
13-11-20, 17:48
By Bye Dominic according to today's press reports.
How long until the tory party find Carrie a seat and make her PM!!!
Mind you seems like she will soon be de facto PM anyway!
He's gone with "immediate effect";-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54938050
He's gone with "immediate effect";-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54938050
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/13/dominic-cummings-has-already-left-job-at-no-10-reports
Caught out briefing against Johnson this morning! What a seedy soap opera!
Jordi Culé
15-11-20, 14:39
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/13/dominic-cummings-has-already-left-job-at-no-10-reports
Caught out briefing against Johnson this morning! What a seedy soap opera!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/15/now-that-rasputin-cummings-has-fallen-who-will-grasp-control-of-tsar-boris
It's all up for grabs.
the other bob wilson
17-11-20, 07:03
The relaunch of the Government off to a pretty rocky start with Johnson having to self isolate, him saying Scottish Devolution was a "disaster" and Matt Hancock in the firing line;-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/16/losers-loser-matt-hancock-fulfils-his-role-as-gmb-whipping-boy
cyril evans awaydays
17-11-20, 10:10
The relaunch of the Government off to a pretty rocky start with Johnson having to self isolate, him saying Scottish Devolution was a "disaster" and Matt Hancock in the firing line;-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/16/losers-loser-matt-hancock-fulfils-his-role-as-gmb-whipping-boy
Interesting take by Johnson that Devolution was Blair's biggest mistake. It is possible to argue that WMD and the Invasion of Iraq might hold that accolade.
the other bob wilson
17-11-20, 13:49
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/17/boris-johnson-saboteur-prime-minister-scottish-devolution
the other bob wilson
18-11-20, 07:26
When the enquiry into the handling of the pandemic is held, sometime around 2040 I would guess, this sort of thing should be a part of it;-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54974373
the other bob wilson
20-11-20, 11:58
Head of inquiry which found that Priti Patel had indulged in "behaviour that can be described as bullying" resigns after, surprise, surprise Johnson decides to take no action against her.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55016076
Elwood Blues
20-11-20, 15:03
Head of inquiry which found that Priti Patel had indulged in "behaviour that can be described as bullying" resigns after, surprise, surprise Johnson decides to take no action against her.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55016076
He was right to resign as well.
Priti Patel should have walked but at the very least Boris should have given her a final warning (and that is being charitable)
the other bob wilson
27-11-20, 19:33
Johnson described to a tee by Marina Hyde;-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/27/boris-johnson-false-hope-lockdown-prime-minister-tier-system
Jordi Culé
29-11-20, 10:58
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1332953423860420611
Jesus fuuck...
the other bob wilson
21-12-20, 15:36
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/21/captain-rudderless-ship-tory-media-turn-boris-johnson
Jordi Culé
22-12-20, 11:55
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/21/captain-rudderless-ship-tory-media-turn-boris-johnson
Once Brexit concluded, the Tory grandees' will tug on their puppet wires and Bungle will be replaced.
He was always the man for Brexit not a lot else although his incompetence has probably even surprised them (Tory grandees).
the other bob wilson
22-12-20, 15:08
"Plague island"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/worlds-media-ask-how-it-went-so-wrong-for-plague-island-britain-covid
life on mars
22-12-20, 23:44
Once Brexit concluded, the Tory grandees' will tug on their puppet wires and Bungle will be replaced.
He was always the man for Brexit not a lot else although his incompetence has probably even surprised them (Tory grandees).
He knows this, and I'm guessing has had enough anyways with Covid , Brexit , if there was an election now do you think he'd lose ?
Jordi Culé
24-12-20, 20:18
He knows this, and I'm guessing has had enough anyways with Covid , Brexit , if there was an election now do you think he'd lose ?
As it goes, I'm obviously replying after hes secured the UKs golden sunset future.
No I dont think he'd lose but that would be due to the UK not having proportional representation in the electoral system.
Boris is the most incompetent PM we've ever had, do you disagree?
life on mars
27-12-20, 17:21
As it goes, I'm obviously replying after hes secured the UKs golden sunset future.
No I dont think he'd lose but that would be due to the UK not having proportional representation in the electoral system.
Boris is the most incompetent PM we've ever had, do you disagree?
The fella just delivered Brexit after decades where the Tories wanted out , one may not like Brexit and where it originated or its aims , he has though delivered where many Tory PM failed its been there curse going all the way back to Thatchers demise through to Major, and Cameron .
the other bob wilson
27-12-20, 19:22
A very good article I reckon;-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/history-britain-ruling-class-created-crisis-boris-johnson-brexit-covid
Jordi Culé
27-12-20, 20:06
The fella just delivered Brexit after decades where the Tories wanted out , one may not like Brexit and where it originated or its aims , he has though delivered where many Tory PM failed its been there curse going all the way back to Thatchers demise through to Major, and Cameron .
He lied to cause the question of Brexit. He lied when campaigning for it (after lying to himself he didn’t want it or did).
He lied during negotiations. He lied when concluding it.
Can you spot the theme or are you that unquestioning?
Are you trying to make him out as some knight in shining armour or great statesman?:xmashehe:
life on mars
27-12-20, 21:56
He lied to cause the question of Brexit. He lied when campaigning for it (after lying to himself he didn’t want it or did).
He lied during negotiations. He lied when concluding it.
Can you spot the theme or are you that unquestioning?
Are you trying to make him out as some knight in shining armour or great statesman?:xmashehe:
Nope he's no knight in shining armour, and I think tye Brexit battles were brewing well before he tied his name to it , he simply grabbed the tail wind and used it as an opportunity to become PM , Its reported his ex wife was a driver for him to do this , before that he just wanted to stay in Europe and reform from within .
Once he saw the effectiveness of Farage, Cummings and sniffed May and Cameron hesitation on the matter he grabbed the power opportunity, they had cleverly read the mood in Labour heartlands and used it wisely .
We need to consider the voting platform this all came from such as the Brexit vote , Mays the remainer reduced seats , European Elections , and then Boris's crazy 80 seat majority win ,they all shocked and had the same message.
Jordi Culé
28-12-20, 08:48
Nope he's no knight in shining armour, and I think tye Brexit battles were brewing well before he tied his name to it , he simply grabbed the tail wind and used it as an opportunity to become PM , Its reported his ex wife was a driver for him to do this , before that he just wanted to stay in Europe and reform from within .
Once he saw the effectiveness of Farage, Cummings and sniffed May and Cameron hesitation on the matter he grabbed the power opportunity, they had cleverly read the mood in Labour heartlands and used it wisely .
We need to consider the voting platform this all came from such as the Brexit vote , Mays the remainer reduced seats , European Elections , and then Boris's crazy 80 seat majority win ,they all shocked and had the same message.
You are right in saying that the EU question was always asked amongst the Tory party due to them having a cabal of right wing lunatics within it.
Boris though evan as a journalist inflamed these views with his constant fibs in the Telegraph, funnily enough his motivation was to gratify himself.
life on mars
29-12-20, 17:44
You are right in saying that the EU question was always asked amongst the Tory party due to them having a cabal of right wing lunatics within it.
Boris though evan as a journalist inflamed these views with his constant fibs in the Telegraph, funnily enough his motivation was to gratify himself.
Indeed however it all started when Farage resigned for the Tories on 1990''s after the Tories signed up to Maastricht
the other bob wilson
02-01-21, 06:55
Once again, Marina Hyde has got Johnson down to a tee, right down to his ridiculous and inappropriate ruffled hair;-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/01/boris-johnson-victim-emotions
life on mars
02-01-21, 20:10
Once again, Marina Hyde has got Johnson down to a tee, right down to his ridiculous and inappropriate ruffled hair;-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/01/boris-johnson-victim-emotions
I think ruffled hair should be outlawed, much prefer lego hair .
cyril evans awaydays
06-01-21, 11:11
It's not just the public that receives his waffly bollocks. His MPs get it as well. Interesting that he is getting more negative press from core Conservative media though, in this instance the magazine of which he was previously Editor.
Opting for a flower analogy, Johnson promised that things would be better, in terms of restrictions being eased, by the time tulip season was over – perhaps even by daffodil season. This led to MPs frantically googling floral seasons for a clue as to when restrictions would end (Tulips: early May). MPs then made the point that the dates of each season could vary depending where in the country you were.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/inside-boris-johnson-s-zoom-q-a-with-tory-mps
the other bob wilson
10-01-21, 14:03
A majority now want Johnson to resign.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/09/most-think-boris-johnson-should-resign-poll
the other bob wilson
12-01-21, 10:46
Johnson in hot water (again).
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/11/pm-under-pressure-over-bike-ride-seven-miles-from-no-10-boris-johnson-covid
Actually, I don’t see much wrong with what he did.
Jordi Culé
16-01-21, 09:30
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1350114499060183040
Damning really.
Interesting statistic.
More people have died from Covid-19 in the UK in 10 months than the Luftwaffe killed civilians in WWII.
That's some achievement. 'World beating' perhaps?
the other bob wilson
06-03-21, 12:43
More us and themism from Johnson, to go with his efforts to set up a charity to pay for decorating number 10 Downing Street.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9331721/Boris-Johnson-persuaded-Tory-chiefs-pay-Carrie-Symonds-200-000-Downing-Street-makeover.html
life on mars
12-03-21, 17:35
Johnson in hot water (again).
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/11/pm-under-pressure-over-bike-ride-seven-miles-from-no-10-boris-johnson-covid
Actually, I don’t see much wrong with what he did.
With all this hot water he gets in should get a right hammering in the next election
the other bob wilson
24-03-21, 06:44
From the man himself;-
“The reason we have the vaccine success is because of capitalism, because of greed my friends.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/23/greed-and-capitalism-behind-jab-success-boris-johnson-tells-mps
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56504546
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-johnson-says-capitalism-and-greed-are-behind-the-uks-vaccine-success-12254946
the other bob wilson
06-08-21, 06:27
So, closing the mines was down to Thatcher's green policies.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/05/johnson-makes-unbelievably-crass-joke-about-thatcher-closing-coal-mines
life on mars
10-08-21, 16:38
Thatchers speech to the UN 1989 on environment and climate change
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnAzoDtwCBg&t=1572s
the other bob wilson
23-11-21, 04:25
Is he trying to get sacked?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-59381775
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-59376388
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-59376386
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-59382507
ninian opinian
23-11-21, 09:45
Is he trying to get sacked?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-59381775
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-59376388
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-59376386
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-59382507
The country finally waking up to this liar, charlatan and clown.
Is he trying to get sacked?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-59381775
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-59376388
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-59376386
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-59382507
It's the political equivalent of selecting five centre backs, and when that fails doing it again!
Clueless and wanting out?
In a hole and digging harder.
The difference is that Mick is honest, Boris J is totally dishonest.
the other bob wilson
23-11-21, 12:41
It's the political equivalent of selecting five centre backs, and when that fails doing it again!
Clueless and wanting out?
In a hole and digging harder.
The difference is that Mick is honest, Boris J is totally dishonest.
Yes, I agree, “clueless and wanting out” seems just about right based on yesterday’s performance.
life on mars
24-11-21, 09:16
I do wonder about his overall health , he has aged so quickly the pressure and responsibility of these jobs cant be easy on anyone , his mother was a very unwell woman due to crippling mental health issues ?
Taunton Blue Genie
24-11-21, 10:32
I do wonder about his overall health , he has aged so quickly the pressure and responsibility of these jobs cant be easy on anyone , his mother was a very unwell woman due to crippling mental health issues ?
Is that a question?
life on mars
24-11-21, 10:49
Is that a question?
Comment : as its starts with I do wonder ,hope that helps .
Taunton Blue Genie
24-11-21, 14:07
Comment : as its starts with I do wonder ,hope that helps .
Not really but I'll say no more.
life on mars
25-11-21, 17:31
Not really but I'll say no more.
Well done, as a question may appear as Do ( you ) wonder , ( I ) do wonder is a view 🤔
just came across this, which is a transcript of the current prime minister's response when asked about the conservative official Twitter account renaming itself "factcheck" to try to pass it's content off as impartial.
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imagine spouting off that kind of waffle and bluster in your job, where would it get you?
the other bob wilson
03-12-21, 14:29
just came across this, which is a transcript of the current prime minister's response when asked about the conservative official Twitter account renaming itself "factcheck" to try to pass it's content off as impartial.
4691
imagine spouting off that kind of waffle and bluster in your job, where would it get you?
This is someone who, we’re told, has charisma and flair - I’m never going to be a fan of his, but I honestly do not get that. Labour clearly have a policy to keep on hitting Johnson with the line “the joke’s not funny any more”, but when was it ever funny? The capacity of the British to fawn at and be so reverential towards upper class twits has always baffled me.
the other bob wilson
04-12-21, 07:05
https://twitter.com/i/status/1466356602655674380
Elwood Blues
04-12-21, 17:40
https://twitter.com/i/status/1466356602655674380
Liverpudlians criticise Tory PM shocker!
Jordi Culé
05-12-21, 04:34
Liverpudlians criticise Tory PM shocker!
Hmmm... I wonder why?
It could be he once described the whole city as "wallowing in victim Hood..." and then suggested Liverpool fans robbed the dead at Hillsborough or they see him as a hopeless chancer who bullshiits and lies his way through his current role?
I'm going to have a guess and say it's probably a little bit of both?
Hmmm... I wonder why?
It could be he once described the whole city as "wallowing in victim Hood..." and then suggested Liverpool fans robbed the dead at Hillsborough or they see him as a hopeless chancer who bullshiits and lies his way through his current role?
I'm going to have a guess and say it's probably a little bit of both?
Liverpool well ahead of the curve I'd say. When is the rest of the country going to wake up?
the other bob wilson
09-12-21, 17:52
Just the two examples of Johnson/Tory sleaze today.
https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1468915107090608133?s=21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59591917
Elwood Blues
09-12-21, 20:03
Just the two examples of Johnson/Tory sleaze today.
https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1468915107090608133?s=21
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59591917
Things are improving then!
life on mars
10-12-21, 19:15
There' has to be a time where Labour has to stop just attacking Boris , sleaze etc, bad Tories and say how they would do things better , come the election its about the substance of policies that will matter , at the moment this is playground politics and I'm sure it will gain some short term traction .
There' has to be a time where Labour has to stop just attacking Boris , sleaze etc, bad Tories and say how they would do things better , come the election its about the substance of policies that will matter , at the moment this is playground politics and I'm sure it will gain some short term traction .
Have you heard of 'manifestos'?
They are this new thing where parties spell out their policy offers (just) before an election. Great idea! :thumbup:
the other bob wilson
11-12-21, 07:38
"Shagatha Chrsitie" :hehe: - brilliant stuff again from Ms Hyde, but she's deadly serious in her last sentence which is so, so right.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/10/lockdown-parties-no-10-met-investigate-prime-minister
"Shagatha Chrsitie" :hehe: - brilliant stuff again from Ms Hyde, but she's deadly serious in her last sentence which is so, so right.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/10/lockdown-parties-no-10-met-investigate-prime-minister
Always a great read. The mordant wit accentuating the sheer lunacy of it all.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/11/labour-races-to-nine-point-lead-in-polls-in-wake-of-sleaze-controversies-at-no-10
Labour surged into a commanding nine-point lead over the Tories this weekend as controversies over rule-breaking Christmas parties at Downing Street and Tory sleaze plunged Boris Johnson into a battle to save his premiership.
The latest Opinium poll for the Observer also shows 57% of voters think Johnson should now resign, up nine points from a fortnight ago, as the prime minster appears to be haemorrhaging public support.
Johnson’s personal ratings have fallen to -35%, down 14 points from what was already a record low of -21% two weeks ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/dec/11/labour-races-to-nine-point-lead-in-polls-in-wake-of-sleaze-controversies-at-no-10
Labour surged into a commanding nine-point lead over the Tories this weekend as controversies over rule-breaking Christmas parties at Downing Street and Tory sleaze plunged Boris Johnson into a battle to save his premiership.
The latest Opinium poll for the Observer also shows 57% of voters think Johnson should now resign, up nine points from a fortnight ago, as the prime minster appears to be haemorrhaging public support.
Johnson’s personal ratings have fallen to -35%, down 14 points from what was already a record low of -21% two weeks ago.
Please, let there be a God!
life on mars
13-12-21, 00:14
Have you heard of 'manifestos'?
They are this new thing where parties spell out their policy offers (just) before an election. Great idea! :thumbup:
Indeed I have and I want to see Sir Kiers next election one ,you know the one you may not like as it might be Tory lite , unless he is just going for Xmas party bashing as his main theme ?
Imran Hussain MP
It's been alleged that Simon Case's office who are tasked with investigating the Christmas party scandal...hosted not one, but two Christmas parties.
We need an independent investigation, not a sham.
They think they can mark their own homework and take the public for fools.
Jim Waterson
Right so everyone in Westminster who had a lockdown-busting Christmas party is now just briefing against everyone else in Westminster who also had a Christmas party, in some sort of circular firing squad where executions are conducted with cheap prosecco.
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-simon-case-downing-street-london/
the other bob wilson
17-12-21, 16:24
Imran Hussain MP
It's been alleged that Simon Case's office who are tasked with investigating the Christmas party scandal...hosted not one, but two Christmas parties.
We need an independent investigation, not a sham.
They think they can mark their own homework and take the public for fools.
Jim Waterson
Right so everyone in Westminster who had a lockdown-busting Christmas party is now just briefing against everyone else in Westminster who also had a Christmas party, in some sort of circular firing squad where executions are conducted with cheap prosecco.
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-simon-case-downing-street-london/
:facepalm:
:facepalm:
I'm looking forward to the film..."All The Prime Minister's Men (and Women)
cyril evans awaydays
17-12-21, 19:27
I'm looking forward to the film..."All The Prime Minister's Men (and Women)
tbf it always ends like this. If you have no moral integrity yourself then you end up recruiting people of similar virtues because they will work with you or the people you need to make you do the right thing don't want to have anything to do with you because they smell rats and have too much self respect. That's where Johnson is now and there is nobody with honour around to save him from himself!
the other bob wilson
05-01-22, 18:34
Just the three false statements by Johnson at PMQs today.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/05/boris-johnson-and-angela-rayner-clash-at-pmqs-over-energy-prices-and-inflation
ninian opinian
05-01-22, 19:54
Just the three false statements by Johnson at PMQs today.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/05/boris-johnson-and-angela-rayner-clash-at-pmqs-over-energy-prices-and-inflation
I’ll raise you one, make that 4.
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/01/05/boris-johnson-made-four-false-claims-during-prime-ministers-questions/
Just the three false statements by Johnson at PMQs today.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/05/boris-johnson-and-angela-rayner-clash-at-pmqs-over-energy-prices-and-inflation
I’ll raise you one, make that 4.
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/01/05/boris-johnson-made-four-false-claims-during-prime-ministers-questions/
In the interests of balance, and before James and LOM dive in, I think it is only fair to point out that some of the things said by Johnson at PMQs were not lies. Some of them....
In the interests of balance, and before James and LOM dive in, I think it is only fair to point out that some of the things said by Johnson at PMQs were not lies. Some of them....
Perhaps those lies were Platonic like Johnson insists a lot of his relationships are.
cyril evans awaydays
06-01-22, 13:54
Rees-Mogg going after Sunak (presumably to nobble him with the right of the party and advance Liz Truss) and Sunak spitting back.
Meanwhile even Johnson's tame Standards Adviser is about to put the boot (but not the coup de gras) in, whilst Johnson comes up with another of those ludicrous "lost vital messages when swapping phones" excuses that the miscreants in these types of cases seem so fond of.
Didn't take long after the Christmas break to resume this shambles of a government it seems!
Rees-Mogg going after Sunak (presumably to nobble him with the right of the party and advance Liz Truss) and Sunak spitting back.
Meanwhile even Johnson's tame Standards Adviser is about to put the boot (but not the coup de gras) in, whilst Johnson comes up with another of those ludicrous "lost vital messages when swapping phones" excuses that the miscreants in these types of cases seem so fond of.
Didn't take long after the Christmas break to resume this shambles of a government it seems!
Liz Truss even in the frame 🤮 gosh it makes you scared just how far this country has declined.
the other bob wilson
09-01-22, 05:36
Hard to keep up isn't it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-downing-street-dominic-cummings-prime-minister-sunday-times-b1989385.html
the other bob wilson
14-01-22, 06:51
I'd love to have written this brilliant post which appears on another City website (I hope and trust the writer has no problem with me putting what he said on here and allowing a wider audience to see it);-
"There are just so many things, we lose track.
I was watching the BBC News last night, and they mentioned the Owen Patterson scandal which, in all honesty, should be enough to bring down a few big hitters on their own. Forgot all about it.
Hancock got covid for the second time. Forgot all about him having to resign for breaking the rules.
Then I forgot all about the time JRM went to the Queen and lied to her face. I am no Royalist, but that really takes a lot of doing.
The result was they prorogued Parliament, something that had only happened in medieval times if ever. I had forgot all about that too.
Then there was the Dominic Cummings charade, around this time, where he had them over a barrel. You sack me, I will tell them all about YOUR parties. I'd forgotten all about that too.
Then there was the time when the Brexit Secretary, Raab, didn't realise how important the port to Calais was. I'm only just remembering that now.
Then we still have folks in houses with dangerous cladding, they probably haven't forgotten, but the media has.
Then we had the time Patel deported loads of people to Jamaica. Just after Windrush. And, how her shittery was a factor in the loss of life after a migrant boat collapsed.
Then the hatred in Hastings, caused by her rhetoric, where people tried to stop an RNLI boat going out to sea.
Then we have the NI rise, a tax on the lowest paid, something they promised they wouldn't do.
Then they got rid of the triple lock on pensioners, meaning that the current inflation rate of 6% and going up and pensioners getting just a 3% rise on their state pensions.
Then there was the Afghanistan cluster**** where people who risked their lives HELPING us were just abandoned, with all the relevant paperwork.
And, I forgot about the time that they kicked Churchill's nephew out of the party for voting against them, along with Ken Clarke.
Let's also not forget that there are murmerings of an undemocratic "deal" with Farage for him to stand down in the 2019 election to get Farage to stand down in seats the Tories knew they would win.
Also the illegal PPE contracts - that happened YESTERDAY - but didn't even make the news. I mean, there is just too much to report on.
Johnson thought he could get off the hook at one stage yesterday, when Starmer pointed out the public thought he was lying, all his sycophants cried foul. Johnson then mentioned that Starmer is responsible for his own conduct!
But, imagine how much worse things would be if Corbyn, or Miliband, or Starmer won/win.
The media really need to list all of these lies, deceits, cock-ups, and right-wing pandering bollocks on one web page.
I'm now with @Dr Lecter - I hope the bastard stays in until the next election. It may be painful, but they will be annihilated. Even if they get the 54 letters, there has to be a vote of confidence, and too many Tories have too much to hide, and will be wanting Johnson as a human shield. Seeing him every week ashen faced, looking awful, looking like he is actually experiencing some stress for the first time in his life is a small bit of repayment for the shit that they have piled on migrants, people on benefits, the sick, the old, the decent.
If Johnson is doing a great job, like that market trader thinks, then let him carry on for a few more years because, sooner or later, this ****wittery is going to hit him too. He may escape the NI rises, but his customers can't. He may be able to pay for the electricity and gas price rises by declaring less income to the tax man, but his customers can't."
I'd love to have written this brilliant post which appears on another City website (I hope and trust the writer has no problem with me putting what he said on here and allowing a wider audience to see it);-
"There are just so many things, we lose track.
I was watching the BBC News last night, and they mentioned the Owen Patterson scandal which, in all honesty, should be enough to bring down a few big hitters on their own. Forgot all about it.
Hancock got covid for the second time. Forgot all about him having to resign for breaking the rules.
Then I forgot all about the time JRM went to the Queen and lied to her face. I am no Royalist, but that really takes a lot of doing.
The result was they prorogued Parliament, something that had only happened in medieval times if ever. I had forgot all about that too.
Then there was the Dominic Cummings charade, around this time, where he had them over a barrel. You sack me, I will tell them all about YOUR parties. I'd forgotten all about that too.
Then there was the time when the Brexit Secretary, Raab, didn't realise how important the port to Calais was. I'm only just remembering that now.
Then we still have folks in houses with dangerous cladding, they probably haven't forgotten, but the media has.
Then we had the time Patel deported loads of people to Jamaica. Just after Windrush. And, how her shittery was a factor in the loss of life after a migrant boat collapsed.
Then the hatred in Hastings, caused by her rhetoric, where people tried to stop an RNLI boat going out to sea.
Then we have the NI rise, a tax on the lowest paid, something they promised they wouldn't do.
Then they got rid of the triple lock on pensioners, meaning that the current inflation rate of 6% and going up and pensioners getting just a 3% rise on their state pensions.
Then there was the Afghanistan cluster**** where people who risked their lives HELPING us were just abandoned, with all the relevant paperwork.
And, I forgot about the time that they kicked Churchill's nephew out of the party for voting against them, along with Ken Clarke.
Let's also not forget that there are murmerings of an undemocratic "deal" with Farage for him to stand down in the 2019 election to get Farage to stand down in seats the Tories knew they would win.
Also the illegal PPE contracts - that happened YESTERDAY - but didn't even make the news. I mean, there is just too much to report on.
Johnson thought he could get off the hook at one stage yesterday, when Starmer pointed out the public thought he was lying, all his sycophants cried foul. Johnson then mentioned that Starmer is responsible for his own conduct!
But, imagine how much worse things would be if Corbyn, or Miliband, or Starmer won/win.
The media really need to list all of these lies, deceits, cock-ups, and right-wing pandering bollocks on one web page.
I'm now with @Dr Lecter - I hope the bastard stays in until the next election. It may be painful, but they will be annihilated. Even if they get the 54 letters, there has to be a vote of confidence, and too many Tories have too much to hide, and will be wanting Johnson as a human shield. Seeing him every week ashen faced, looking awful, looking like he is actually experiencing some stress for the first time in his life is a small bit of repayment for the shit that they have piled on migrants, people on benefits, the sick, the old, the decent.
If Johnson is doing a great job, like that market trader thinks, then let him carry on for a few more years because, sooner or later, this ****wittery is going to hit him too. He may escape the NI rises, but his customers can't. He may be able to pay for the electricity and gas price rises by declaring less income to the tax man, but his customers can't."
Superb! Every word is true and shows we are now scraping the barrel.
The problem is the Tories and their supporters dont really give a shit.
You only have to look at comments from at least 1 Tory on this site.
They dont give a shit about the p!ss taking and the effects it has on the country. What they care about is power and protecting their own interests.
The comments you see are he has to go due to the damage to their party. Thats it thats all they care about themselves.
Johnson wont lead them into the next election but go now in disgrace which is what should happen wont.
Plus how many of the likely replacements have their own dirty laundry.
The party is rotten to the core.
The problem is the Tories and their supporters dont really give a shit.
You only have to look at comments from at least 1 Tory on this site.
They dont give a shit about the p!ss taking and the effects it has on the country. What they care about is power and protecting their own interests.
The comments you see are he has to go due to the damage to their party. Thats it thats all they care about themselves.
Johnson wont lead them into the next election but go now in disgrace which is what should happen wont.
Plus how many of the likely replacements have their own dirty laundry.
The party is rotten to the core.
What turns them on is money, money, money.
Elwood Blues
15-01-22, 01:11
What turns them on is money, money, money.
Let me state at the start that the Government has made a complete mess of this, and unless some miracle occurs,I can't see any way out but for Boris to resign ( which he won't) or get pushed out by the fabled men in grey suits. Whether that will be now or in a few weeks or months is the the only question for me.
I also think that the enquiry into these parties should report back to the Standards committee and not the Prime Minister. I am not sure if a senior Civil servant is the correct person to conduct it either.
Hoiwever when you say what turns them on is money, money, money (and I presume by them you mean the conservatives) I would point out that it is not that long ago that we had the expenses scandal when MP's of all parties were involved in a systemic milking of the system, followed by the cash for influence scandal of 2010 when three labour MP's (who were also ex ministers) were banned from the commons for periods ranging from 6 months to 5 years. There were also various scandals regarding Labour party donors which occurred through Tony Blair's reign.
It is usually the party in power that is most influenced by money because they are the ones who can actually do anything.
Let me state at the start that the Government has made a complete mess of this, and unless some miracle occurs,I can't see any way out but for Boris to resign ( which he won't) or get pushed out by the fabled men in grey suits. Whether that will be now or in a few weeks or months is the the only question for me.
I also think that the enquiry into these parties should report back to the Standards committee and not the Prime Minister. I am not sure if a senior Civil servant is the correct person to conduct it either.
Hoiwever when you say what turns them on is money, money, money (and I presume by them you mean the conservatives) I would point out that it is not that long ago that we had the expenses scandal when MP's of all parties were involved in a systemic milking of the system, followed by the cash for influence scandal of 2010 when three labour MP's (who were also ex ministers) were banned from the commons for periods ranging from 6 months to 5 years. There were also various scandals regarding Labour party donors which occurred through Tony Blair's reign.
It is usually the party in power that is most influenced by money because they are the ones who can actually do anything.
I can't think of many Labour MPs who robbed the taxpayer to pay for a Duck Island Elwood! The brass neck of it all...
The good news keeps coming!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/16/boris-johnsons-red-wall-crumbles-as-leave-voters-call-for-him-to-resign
The headline polling figures are bad enough for Boris Johnson. Labour has a 10-point lead and the prime minister’s popularity is now at the same point as Theresa May’s at her lowest.
But digging beneath the surface, the latest Opinium poll for the Observer reveals a deeper and more serious problem: Johnson’s coalition of traditional Tories and pro-Brexit working-class voters is fracturing.
The poll shows that 46% of Leave voters who voted Conservative in 2019 believe Johnson should resign, compared with 39% who want him to stay. These people are the core of the prime minister’s base and if they desert him, he is sunk.
A Quiet Monkfish
17-01-22, 16:18
The good news keeps coming!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/16/boris-johnsons-red-wall-crumbles-as-leave-voters-call-for-him-to-resign
The headline polling figures are bad enough for Boris Johnson. Labour has a 10-point lead and the prime minister’s popularity is now at the same point as Theresa May’s at her lowest.
But digging beneath the surface, the latest Opinium poll for the Observer reveals a deeper and more serious problem: Johnson’s coalition of traditional Tories and pro-Brexit working-class voters is fracturing.
The poll shows that 46% of Leave voters who voted Conservative in 2019 believe Johnson should resign, compared with 39% who want him to stay. These people are the core of the prime minister’s base and if they desert him, he is sunk.
Can we have thread about all the good things a Labour Government will bring us in 2024 ? Because I haven't seen one single comment to that effect. Forget all those loud 'shouty' words aka Hilts - what have I to look forward to - because forget the polls, Kier Starmer and Labour aren't ever going to form a Government.
The good news keeps coming!
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/16/boris-johnsons-red-wall-crumbles-as-leave-voters-call-for-him-to-resign
The headline polling figures are bad enough for Boris Johnson. Labour has a 10-point lead and the prime minister’s popularity is now at the same point as Theresa May’s at her lowest.
But digging beneath the surface, the latest Opinium poll for the Observer reveals a deeper and more serious problem: Johnson’s coalition of traditional Tories and pro-Brexit working-class voters is fracturing.
The poll shows that 46% of Leave voters who voted Conservative in 2019 believe Johnson should resign, compared with 39% who want him to stay. These people are the core of the prime minister’s base and if they desert him, he is sunk.
labour aren't picking up the deserting Tory voters though, they are going from Tory to "don't know", which suggests that many of them will return once Boris has been removed
labour aren't picking up the deserting Tory voters though, they are going from Tory to "don't know", which suggests that many of them will return once Boris has been removed
The looming cost of living crisis, tax hikes and a general feeling of gloom might shift those figures a bit. Also, Johnson or not, there's still bags of time for the Tories to pull a few dodgy tricks out of the hat. Furthermore, they're no longer surfing on a Brexit wave. Plenty of scope for change and to make Monkfish happy!
the other bob wilson
17-01-22, 18:46
labour aren't picking up the deserting Tory voters though, they are going from Tory to "don't know", which suggests that many of them will return once Boris has been removed
Labour are up to 42 per cent in the latest poll, so they’re picking up votes from somewhere.
the other bob wilson
17-01-22, 18:46
Can we have thread about all the good things a Labour Government will bring us in 2024 ? Because I haven't seen one single comment to that effect. Forget all those loud 'shouty' words aka Hilts - what have I to look forward to - because forget the polls, Kier Starmer and Labour aren't ever going to form a Government.
Not being the Conservative party will do for me for now.
labour aren't picking up the deserting Tory voters though, they are going from Tory to "don't know", which suggests that many of them will return once Boris has been removed
That was true up until early December - when Labour were getting narrow leads in most polls. Since then the pollsters have seen clear evidence of Tory to Labour switches - both ex Red Wall voters and also some more traditional southern Tory voters (along with switches to the Lib Dems).
I'm no fan of Starmer and have parted company with the Labour Party (although it is very difficult to resign - they still record me as a member 3-4 months after I quit) but I do think a tipping point has been passed. The odds are heavily against Johnson surviving as Tory leader and Prime Minister for the rest of this year.
I can't see Labour beating the Tories given recent history, but I can see the Tories beating the Tories and Labour coming through by default.
A new Tory leader will produce a 'new manager bounce' but none of the potential candidates have the ability or experience or charisma needed, and some are totally toxic even to die hard Tory members. Johnson expelled most of the real talent over Brexit.
Mind you Starmer managed to push out a third of Labour's members in less than 2 years - including the youngest and most active ones - so some of the most effective opposition is online, in single issue campaigns and in other non-traditional places.
That was true up until early December - when Labour were getting narrow leads in most polls. Since then the pollsters have seen clear evidence of Tory to Labour switches - both ex Red Wall voters and also some more traditional southern Tory voters (along with switches to the Lib Dems).
I'm no fan of Starmer and have parted company with the Labour Party (although it is very difficult to resign - they still record me as a member 3-4 months after I quit) but I do think a tipping point has been passed. The odds are heavily against Johnson surviving as Tory leader and Prime Minister for the rest of this year.
I can't see Labour beating the Tories given recent history, but I can see the Tories beating the Tories and Labour coming through by default.
A new Tory leader will produce a 'new manager bounce' but none of the potential candidates have the ability or experience or charisma needed, and some are totally toxic even to die hard Tory members. Johnson expelled most of the real talent over Brexit.
Mind you Starmer managed to push out a third of Labour's members in less than 2 years - including the youngest and most active ones - so some of the most effective opposition is online, in single issue campaigns and in other non-traditional places.
If Labour are canny they'll start thinking about planning tactical voting campaigns with the Lib Dems and Greens well before an election comes into sight. It's probably the essential step to ensure the Tories are ousted. Once that hurdle has been overcome it will allow Labour longer term planning to make itself more distinctive. However, I think the far sighted plan would be to encourage the adoption of proportional representation.
If Labour are canny they'll start thinking about planning tactical voting campaigns with the Lib Dems and Greens well before an election comes into sight. It's probably the essential step to ensure the Tories are ousted. Once that hurdle has been overcome it will allow Labour longer term planning to make itself more distinctive. However, I think the far sighted plan would be to encourage the adoption of proportional representation.
80% of Constituency Labour Parties backed the PR resolution at the September 2021 Labour Conference.
It was defeated.
The majority of affiliates (mainly trades unions - but others too) voted against.
There was no support from the party leadership, despite Starmer's pledge during the leadership election campaign. Another of his broken promises!
https://labourlist.org/2021/09/conference-rejects-motion-committing-labour-to-proportional-representation/
Most recent YouGov polling shows 42% public support for PR (up to 62% among Labour voters). That is without any recent noticeable national campaign to make the case.
80% of Constituency Labour Parties backed the PR resolution at the September 2021 Labour Conference.
It was defeated.
The majority of affiliates (mainly trades unions - but others too) voted against.
There was no support from the party leadership, despite Starmer's pledge during the leadership election campaign. Another of his broken promises!
https://labourlist.org/2021/09/conference-rejects-motion-committing-labour-to-proportional-representation/
Most recent YouGov polling shows 42% public support for PR (up to 62% among Labour voters). That is without any recent noticeable national campaign to make the case.
Yes it seems there's an awful long way to go. Maybe we should have Dominic Cummings driving a big red bus to sell the campaign to the public. 😁
A Quiet Monkfish
18-01-22, 09:01
Not being the Conservative party will do for me for now.
Exactly. It will all fade into the distance - cheese, wine, Cummings, who said what, who knew what - and folk will look at Labour in 2024 and say 'no thanks'. Assuming the Tories can deal with the economic problems ahead, of course.
the other bob wilson
18-01-22, 09:18
Exactly. It will all fade into the distance - cheese, wine, Cummings, who said what, who knew what - and folk will look at Labour in 2024 and say 'no thanks'. Assuming the Tories can deal with the economic problems ahead, of course.
You really think people will be more concerned with economics than their memories of Covid in two years time? All I can say is I hope and trust you’re wrong.
A Quiet Monkfish
18-01-22, 09:22
You really think people will be more concerned with economics than their memories of Covid in two years time? All I can say is I hope and trust you’re wrong.
I certainly think 'partygate' will feel insignificant in two years time. Covid, probably not but I don't think that will decide the next election.
I certainly think 'partygate' will feel insignificant in two years time. Covid, probably not but I don't think that will decide the next election.
The deep and long lasting cost of living crisis might though. And I'm sure you'd agree there's still plenty more time for many more Tory f**k ups!
The latest YouGov poll was done well before today's 'defeated' pool interview with Beth Rigby for Sky and all the other broadcasters. The verdict from across the press and much of the politicals and commentators of all colours was 'end game'!
64% of Britons now think Johnson should stand down, up from 48% in November
Should remain: 20% (-11)
Should stand down: 64% (+16)
I think he could still wriggle out of this - but the wriggle room is shrinking very fast!
A Quiet Monkfish
18-01-22, 17:37
The deep and long lasting cost of living crisis might though. And I'm sure you'd agree there's still plenty more time for many more Tory f**k ups!
No doubt. There's not much in the way of common sense and genuine political conviction in the Labour party. However there's even less amongst the Tories. To say I have little faith in them would be putting it extremely mildly !
ninian opinian
18-01-22, 17:54
Boris “nobody told me Johnson” is not the problem. The people who put him in power knew he was catastrophically ill-equipped for any kind of responsibility never mind run a country.
They'll still all be there next week. We need a general election now.
ninian opinian
18-01-22, 18:00
This may have been posted elsewhere but this is very funny and brutal https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1483418498944671746?s=21
Edit - duplicate 'Led By Donkey' clip!
ninian opinian
18-01-22, 18:27
Edit - duplicate 'Led By Donkey' clip!
This monologue by James O’Brien is worth a listen too https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1483400025581531136?s=21
This monologue by James O’Brien is worth a listen too https://twitter.com/lbc/status/1483400025581531136?s=21
Very incisive; a masterful delivery.
the other bob wilson
19-01-22, 05:32
This may have been posted elsewhere but this is very funny and brutal https://twitter.com/bydonkeys/status/1483418498944671746?s=21
Funny, but I also found it moving - these are hard times to maintain a faith in the belief that people are fundamentally decent, but they are, we’re not all like those some of us have put into power.
the other bob wilson
04-02-22, 05:53
Liar, liar, liar, pants on fire!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60245483
the other bob wilson
04-02-22, 06:04
Liar, liar, liar, pants on fire!
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1489343711452573698
Swiss Peter
04-02-22, 09:13
Liar, liar, liar, pants on fire!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60245483
Lie after lie. Then you get the people who parrot these lies on social media (like the one about how without Brexit the vaccine rollout would have been delayed) without doing their own research.
Lie after lie. Then you get the people who parrot these lies on social media (like the one about how without Brexit the vaccine rollout would have been delayed) without doing their own research.
The very serious problem is that if these lies are shouted loudly enough and often enough
they become deeply etched in people's memory. Try shifting them then: it becomes virtually impossible.
Jordi Culé
04-02-22, 11:13
Liar, liar, liar, pants on fire!
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1489343711452573698
Lied about Starmer regarding Savile.
Lied about crime statistics.
Lied about employment figures.
"I believed, the party I obviously didn't attend was a work meeting, the bottle of chateauneuf du pape I was carrying was a birthday present given to me by an adoring staff member. Honest. Would I lie to you? I'm the Prime Minister for ****s sake!"
the other bob wilson
04-02-22, 17:00
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/04/gaslight-playbook-corrupt-company-government-sociopath
ninian opinian
04-02-22, 20:45
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bombshell-picture-shows-boris-johnson-26144515
Dead man walking :biggrin:
Jordi Culé
04-02-22, 21:02
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bombshell-picture-shows-boris-johnson-26144515
Dead man walking :biggrin:
So he's been caught out by a photo taken by an official photographer who was also at the shindig?
Fuucking howling, you wouldn't do an armed robbery with these dull fuuckers would you.
ninian opinian
04-02-22, 21:33
Jonathon Pie sums it all up beautifully https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1489566060328198148?s=21
So he's been caught out by a photo taken by an official photographer who was also at the shindig?
Fuucking howling, you wouldn't do an armed robbery with these dull fuuckers would you.
Apart from being an unscrupulous, lying b**t"rd he should be defenestrated for being too thick to qualify as a PM. Please, to just what depths is our beloved country prepared to trawl?
the other bob wilson
05-02-22, 05:47
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bombshell-picture-shows-boris-johnson-26144515
Dead man walking :biggrin:
If that report is correct, the Chancellor, who is already acting as if the election for a successor to Johnson has begun, broke the law of the time as well.
the other bob wilson
06-02-22, 07:15
So one of the changes made by the Prime Minister who tells us he gets it, is to appoint a Cabinet member as Chief of Staff - El Presidente Johnson moves ever closer.
Elwood Blues
06-02-22, 07:23
So one of the changes made by the Prime Minister who tells us he gets it, is to appoint a Cabinet member as Chief of Staff - El Presidente Johnson moves ever closer.
Apparently he had problems finding an outsider to do the job.
Perhaps they didn't fancy a short term contract!!
Apparently he had problems finding an outsider to do the job.
Perhaps they didn't fancy a short term contract!!
Which self respecting professional would want to be contaminated by him?
Boris Johnson really is a role model!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/07/french-far-right-presidential-hopeful-eric-zemmour-likens-himself-to-boris-johnson
An inspiration!
the other bob wilson
07-02-22, 19:50
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/07/police-rescue-keir-starmer-after-protesters-surround-him-near-parliament
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/07/police-rescue-keir-starmer-after-protesters-surround-him-near-parliament
That unsavoury little spectacle will generate a few more letters to Graham Brady one would think. He might be channeling his Gloria Gaynor but a few more Tories will be singing "The Party's Over".
JamesWales
08-02-22, 13:20
It's disgusting how many MP's are treated now. But it is no use only being upset when it happens to your side. This has been going on for several years and to all MPs.
This same lot (Piers Corbyns crowd) are the ones who targeted Michael Gove last year.
the other bob wilson
08-02-22, 18:03
Rees-Mogg becomes Minister for Brexit Opportunities - he’ll get plenty of chances for another kip on the Government benches with that job.
Jordi Culé
08-02-22, 18:13
It's disgusting how many MP's are treated now. But it is no use only being upset when it happens to your side. This has been going on for several years and to all MPs.
This same lot (Piers Corbyns crowd) are the ones who targeted Michael Gove last year.
Quite right, although it's fair to say in the case of Keir Starmer being harrassed/attacked, the loopers carrying out the harrassment/attack were stoked up with lies that were stated by the country's PM only days before.
Unless of course, I've missed Starmer, Raynor or anyone else suggesting Gove covered for paedophiles in a previous parliamentary questions session and that was the reason he was attacked? If so, I'll stand corrected.
Rees-Mogg becomes Minister for Brexit Opportunities - he’ll get plenty of chances for another kip on the Government benches with that job.
That's one job created by Brexit.
Got to start somewhere.
cyril evans awaydays
09-02-22, 10:35
Rees-Mogg becomes Minister for Brexit Opportunities - he’ll get plenty of chances for another kip on the Government benches with that job.
An oxymoron led by a proper moron!
JamesWales
09-02-22, 10:37
Quite right, although it's fair to say in the case of Keir Starmer being harrassed/attacked, the loopers carrying out the harrassment/attack were stoked up with lies that were stated by the country's PM only days before.
Unless of course, I've missed Starmer, Raynor or anyone else suggesting Gove covered for paedophiles in a previous parliamentary questions session and that was the reason he was attacked? If so, I'll stand corrected.
I think that's the point though; they weren't. If you listen to the video, they are shouting abuse at him for a variety of things; not challenging the government, supporting masks etc. It's a real political stew of consipiracy theorists and the far left and far right. The 'Jimmy Savile' thing has been thrown at Starmer for many years. I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture.
I genuinely find it repulsive how people talk about politicians. I find some of the comments on here repulsive, I find many of them on twitter repulsive, and I find a lot of them in parliament itself repulsive. Politicians are getting targeted all the time, and one was stabbed to death a few months ago.
But claiming that the group that verbally abused Starmer were only there cos of what Johnson said was borderline Orwellian and some seriously bad reporting from the BBC. It just wasn't true. This was an established group saying the same nasty shit they have to many politicians for many months.
I think Johnson should resign, but twisting the truth on what happened isn't the way to get it to happen.
cyril evans awaydays
09-02-22, 11:00
I think that's the point though; they weren't. If you listen to the video, they are shouting abuse at him for a variety of things; not challenging the government, supporting masks etc. It's a real political stew of consipiracy theorists and the far left and far right. The 'Jimmy Savile' thing has been thrown at Starmer for many years. I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture.
I genuinely find it repulsive how people talk about politicians. I find some of the comments on here repulsive, I find many of them on twitter repulsive, and I find a lot of them in parliament itself repulsive. Politicians are getting targeted all the time, and one was stabbed to death a few months ago.
But claiming that the group that verbally abused Starmer were only there cos of what Johnson said was borderline Orwellian and some seriously bad reporting from the BBC. It just wasn't true. This was an established group saying the same nasty shit they have to many politicians for many months.
I think Johnson should resign, but twisting the truth on what happened isn't the way to get it to happen.
You make it sound like politics being where we are today came out of the ether. For all their frailties I cannot recall Cameron or May creating a culture of overt populism and cultural confrontation.
Boris Johnson may not be single-handedly responsible for things. He is responsible for setting the tone and structure of government that unashamedly lies, protects people who have gone way beyond resignation norms and elevates third raters and sycophants for their loyalty to the cult. Leaders can take steps to address the poison in society rather than ride its wave.
As Lord Heseltine said of him:
"A man who waits to see which way the crowd is running and then dashes in front and says ‘follow me’"
Jordi Culé
09-02-22, 12:29
I think that's the point though; they weren't. If you listen to the video, they are shouting abuse at him for a variety of things; not challenging the government, supporting masks etc. It's a real political stew of consipiracy theorists and the far left and far right. The 'Jimmy Savile' thing has been thrown at Starmer for many years. I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture.
I genuinely find it repulsive how people talk about politicians. I find some of the comments on here repulsive, I find many of them on twitter repulsive, and I find a lot of them in parliament itself repulsive. Politicians are getting targeted all the time, and one was stabbed to death a few months ago.
But claiming that the group that verbally abused Starmer were only there cos of what Johnson said was borderline Orwellian and some seriously bad reporting from the BBC. It just wasn't true. This was an established group saying the same nasty shit they have to many politicians for many months.
I think Johnson should resign, but twisting the truth on what happened isn't the way to get it to happen.
"I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture."
Jesus fuuck buddy... Are you being nuanced or trying to polish a turd?
So fuelling the fire for complete loopers to act impulsively and harass opposition is now seen as a legitimate strategy?
I know you're not personally endorsing thus behaviour but you don't seem to be condemning it either, more like a half soaked admission that perhaps it shouldn't have happened?
You are right in saying, the group who had a pop at Starmer are made up of a myriad of groups but they feel empowered to act as they do when a PM willingly repeats lies which they feel supports their cause and justifies their actions.
life on mars
09-02-22, 12:32
"I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture."
Jesus fuuck buddy... Are you being nuanced or trying to polish a turd?
So fuelling the fire for complete loopers to act impulsively and harass opposition is now seen as a legitimate strategy?
I know you're not personally endorsing thus behaviour but you don't seem to be condemning it either, more like a half soaked admission that perhaps it shouldn't have happened?
You are right in saying, the group who had a pop at Starmer are made up of a myriad of groups but they feel empowered to act as they do when a PM willingly repeats lies which they feel supports their cause and justifies their actions.
Think the vileness was out there already ,even Whitty was attacked
Gove was targeted by anti-lockdown protesters
And the journalists Nick Watt and Jeremy Vine been targeted.
JamesWales
09-02-22, 12:49
"I agree, the PM shouldn't have gone there, but that's where politics is at the moment, unfortunately, and whilst he may add to it and should know better, he didn't create this culture."
Jesus fuuck buddy... Are you being nuanced or trying to polish a turd?
So fuelling the fire for complete loopers to act impulsively and harass opposition is now seen as a legitimate strategy?
I know you're not personally endorsing thus behaviour but you don't seem to be condemning it either, more like a half soaked admission that perhaps it shouldn't have happened?
You are right in saying, the group who had a pop at Starmer are made up of a myriad of groups but they feel empowered to act as they do when a PM willingly repeats lies which they feel supports their cause and justifies their actions.
1 / No, he shouldnt have said it.
2/ I don't think the protestors abusing Starmer were motivated by what he said at all - they have form.
3 / He receives constant personal abuse. Many politicians are endlessly on the receipt of it. He didnt start that, and unless people condemn it all then they are tolerating it.
We need to remember that even someone like David Lammy doubled down on calling some Tory MPs 'Nazis'. It may not be nice for Starmer to be linked to a paedophile, but it's worse to be linked to a death cult from 70 years ago who threw children in gas chambers.
Thats my point, this stuff has been put out into the political discourse for several years now and I have to say the silence when it happens to one side is pretty notable.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/14/comparing-erg-to-nazis-not-strong-enough-says-david-lammy
life on mars
09-02-22, 13:56
1 / No, he shouldnt have said it.
2/ I don't think the protestors abusing Starmer were motivated by what he said at all - they have form.
3 / He receives constant personal abuse. Many politicians are endlessly on the receipt of it. He didnt start that, and unless people condemn it all then they are tolerating it.
We need to remember that even someone like David Lammy doubled down on calling some Tory MPs 'Nazis'. It may not be nice for Starmer to be linked to a paedophile, but it's worse to be linked to a death cult from 70 years ago who threw children in gas chambers.
Thats my point, this stuff has been put out into the political discourse for several years now and I have to say the silence when it happens to one side is pretty notable.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/14/comparing-erg-to-nazis-not-strong-enough-says-david-lammy
David Lammy is just as bad as Boris with this dreadful comment sadly its part of the bigger problem of nasty politics.
You could argue Trump politics exists in both parties , if you point a finger at Boris and his language surely the same goes for this comment by Lammy comparing ERG Brexit group to Nazis and he backs it up with ‘not strong enough’ dear lord how does that sound to Jewish people whose relatives died at the hands of the Nazis in gas chambers and they get compared too Brexiteers , nasty ,nasty socialist comments up there with nasty Right wing politics .
What shocks me Lammy even after this comment Labour think fit to promote him , dear lord we say Tories are bankrupt .
Its sits with the fact anti-Semitism existed in the Labour Party equally a disgusting poor behaviour.
Tito Fuente
09-02-22, 14:02
dear lord we say Tories are bankrupt .
.
Agreed.
David Lammy is just as bad as Boris with this dreadful comment sadly its part of the bigger problem of nasty politics.
You could argue Trump politics exists in both parties , if you point a finger at Boris and his language surely the same goes for this comment by Lammy comparing ERG Brexit group to Nazis and he backs it up with ‘not strong enough’ dear lord how does that sound to Jewish people whose relatives died at the hands of the Nazis in gas chambers and they get compared too Brexiteers , nasty ,nasty socialist comments up there with nasty Right wing politics .
What shocks me Lammy even after this comment Labour think fit to promote him , dear lord we say Tories are bankrupt .
Its sits with the fact anti-Semitism existed in the Labour Party equally a disgusting poor behaviour.
I'm choughed you're mentioning this. There's plenty to crow about.
Jordi Culé
09-02-22, 17:57
Think the vileness was out there already ,even Whitty was attacked
Gove was targeted by anti-lockdown protesters
And the journalists Nick Watt and Jeremy Vine been targeted.
Correct LoM the loopers are out there which is why they shouldn't be condoned, supported or given justification by anyone but especially by the bloke masquerading as the PM.
Dan Hodges made a point mind that he thinks Johndon is repeating the conspiracy theorists rather than them being stoked by Johnson.
If so, it's the first thing the bumbling cuuntwaffle has paid attention to apart from perhaps the Christmas quiz held at number 10?
the other bob wilson
09-02-22, 19:41
I'm choughed you're mentioning this. There's plenty to crow about.
I’d leave it there if I were you, we don’t want him to Carrion like he usually does.
JamesWales
09-02-22, 20:34
Correct LoM the loopers are out there which is why they shouldn't be condoned, supported or given justification by anyone but especially by the bloke masquerading as the PM.
Dan Hodges made a point mind that he thinks Johndon is repeating the conspiracy theorists rather than them being stoked by Johnson.
If so, it's the first thing the bumbling cuuntwaffle has paid attention to apart from perhaps the Christmas quiz held at number 10?
You make a reasonable point. Starmer was head of the organisation that failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile, but he didn't personally have any involvement. I don't know how common it is for the head of the organisation to intervene, but I would suggest it's unreasonable to expect it.
As such, do you think people who personally blame Johnson for things like '150,000' deaths, or Teresa May for Grenfell is equally inappropriate?
Jordi Culé
09-02-22, 21:37
You make a reasonable point. Starmer was head of the organisation that failed to prosecute Jimmy Savile, but he didn't personally have any involvement. I don't know how common it is for the head of the organisation to intervene, but I would suggest it's unreasonable to expect it.
As such, do you think people who personally blame Johnson for things like '150,000' deaths, or Teresa May for Grenfell is equally inappropriate?
:hehe:
Are you honestly and really comparing Starmer apparent failure to prosecute Savile, May being PM whilst a tragedy took place on a single day to Johnson's numerous mistakes, absences of leadership leading up and alleged parties during the pandemic?
Fair play to you but that's a bit of a reach:biggrin:
JamesWales
09-02-22, 22:26
:hehe:
Are you honestly and really comparing Starmer apparent failure to prosecute Savile, May being PM whilst a tragedy took place on a single day to Johnson's numerous mistakes, absences of leadership leading up and alleged parties during the pandemic?
Fair play to you but that's a bit of a reach:biggrin:
Sorry, is it not the same principle? I've those at the head of an organisation not being personally responsible for it? That's your argument isn't it?
Can you please clarify what the rules are here?!🤣
Jordi Culé
09-02-22, 22:50
Sorry, is it not the same principle? I've those at the head of an organisation not being personally responsible for it? That's your argument isn't it?
Can you please clarify what the rules are here?!🤣
Use that self proclaimed ability of yours by looking at the three situations in a nuanced manner.:biggrin:
I’m sure you can spot subtle differences between them?
JamesWales
09-02-22, 22:53
Use that self proclaimed ability of yours by looking at the three situations in a nuanced manner.:biggrin:
I’m sure you can spot subtle differences between them?
Ha, thanks.
Look, I get it. Johnson shouldn't have said it.
My point is applying this consistently. It's a fact that Starmer was head of an organisation that (with hindsight) made a huge error.
The same goes for a lot in government. Is it not common to us we phrases such as 'the fish rots from the head down' and 'the person at the top is ultimately responsible' etc?
Will we not be doing that going forward then?
I think a huge stupid fuss was made over it. He shouldn't have said it but then again the reaction was OTT.
Jordi Culé
10-02-22, 19:28
Ha, thanks.
Look, I get it. Johnson shouldn't have said it.
My point is applying this consistently. It's a fact that Starmer was head of an organisation that (with hindsight) made a huge error.
The same goes for a lot in government. Is it not common to us we phrases such as 'the fish rots from the head down' and 'the person at the top is ultimately responsible' etc?
Will we not be doing that going forward then?
I think a huge stupid fuss was made over it. He shouldn't have said it but then again the reaction was OTT.
Hmmm...
I'm not sure you do get the point or you're deliberately obfuscating the point?
You're comparing the CPS not prosecuting Savile whilst Starmer was top dawg and May being PM whilst the Grenfell tragedy occurred with Johnsons mistakes made during the Covid pandemic.
Come on buddy, you can do it.
We're in agreement that Johnson shouldn't have said it but let's be honest, he feels its a legitimate strategy for deflecting shiit away from him.
You are right though, that's where politics is at the moment. Embarrassing and extremely worrying.
JamesWales
10-02-22, 22:23
Hmmm...
I'm not sure you do get the point or you're deliberately obfuscating the point?
You're comparing the CPS not prosecuting Savile whilst Starmer was top dawg and May being PM whilst the Grenfell tragedy occurred with Johnsons mistakes made during the Covid pandemic.
Come on buddy, you can do it.
We're in agreement that Johnson shouldn't have said it but let's be honest, he feels its a legitimate strategy for deflecting shiit away from him.
You are right though, that's where politics is at the moment. Embarrassing and extremely worrying.
It's all shit. Lets just have a beer yeah 😘
He's filling in his police questionnaire today.
Multiple choice I assume.
'Are you a lying, rule-breaking, narcissist?' - Yes/No
'Are you telling the truth?' - Yes/No
He's filling in his police questionnaire today.
Multiple choice I assume.
'Are you a lying, rule-breaking, narcissist?' - Yes/No
'Are you telling the truth?' - Yes/No
Do you suffer from delusions of grandeur?
Are your brains stored in your balls?
the other bob wilson
17-02-22, 12:14
Something else to be added to this Government’s Roll of Shame, they’ve lifted a ban on Rupert Murdoch interfering in the editorial independence of the Times and Sunday Times imposed by the Thatcher Government when he bought both papers in the eighties.
Swiss Peter
05-03-22, 17:34
In the interests of balance here is a piece from the Independent (yes, the Independent) which is quite favourable to Johnson.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-putin-russia-ukraine-b2029286.html?fr=operanews
I'm sure normal service will be resumed soon!
In the interests of balance here is a piece from the Independent (yes, the Independent) which is quite favourable to Johnson.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-putin-russia-ukraine-b2029286.html?fr=operanews
I'm sure normal service will be resumed soon!
John Rentoul is of a right wing bent so it's no surprise he finds some credit in Johnson's war performance. Nevertheless he's a savvy journalist and his analysis should not be dismissed. It will be interesting to guage the mood of the Tories after May's local elections.
Swiss Peter
05-03-22, 18:06
John Rentoul is of a right wing bent so it's no surprise he finds some credit in Johnson's war performance. Nevertheless he's a savvy journalist and his analysis should not be dismissed. It will be interesting to guage the mood of the Tories after May's local elections.
All true. The outcome of May's elections will probably be quite different to what might have been expected a couple of weeks back.
Jordi Culé
06-03-22, 09:44
Johnson getting questioned by the Times about his relationship with Evgeny Lebedev, the latter being awarded a peerage for services to party hosting whilst his father was deemed a security risk.
I see on Twatter that even that well known left wing sop Andrew Neil is commenting on it.
Good old Boris, such a character.
the other bob wilson
07-03-22, 07:01
Johnson getting questioned by the Times about his relationship with Evgeny Lebedev, the latter being awarded a peerage for services to party hosting whilst his father was deemed a security risk.
I see on Twatter that even that well known left wing sop Andrew Neil is commenting on it.
Good old Boris, such a character.
Another prominent left winger has his say;-
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-03-06/why-when-covid-was-raging-did-the-pm-care-about-giving-lebedev-a-peerage
the other bob wilson
18-03-22, 06:44
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504439822919905282
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