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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="cy" dir="ltr">CYHOEDDIAD CARFAN🏴<br><br>Here's your Cymru squad for the upcoming <a href="https://twitter.com/FIFAWorldCup?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FIFAWorldCup</a> qualifiers...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TogetherStronger?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TogetherStronger</a> <a href="https://t.co/G7M9BNv2i8">pic.twitter.com/G7M9BNv2i8</a></p>— Wales 🏴 (@Cymru) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cymru/status/1371445970819559429?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
No Vaulks but Jonny, Wilson & Moore all in
That's extremely harsh on Vaulks. He's been regularly playing top end of championship. His form has improved and yet he doesn't make squad. Ramsey is bound to drop out injured - I'm sure he can't be happy with being overlooked in favour of players who can't even get on the pitch with us
I wonder if somebody has a problem with Will - which would be a surprise as he always comes across as a pretty personable guy.
Its a baffling decision, Morrell isn't playing for Luton, Smith is doing well but in the division below, Sheehan is two divisions below and Levitt is shit
What's even crazier is that a benchwarmer at Vaulks' own club is in ahead of him
Morrell in squad who can't even get on bench for an utterly dreadful Luton team. Definitely something not right here.
OurManFlint II
15-03-21, 13:52
I'd mentioned in the Pack thread that Vaulks would get a rest during the international break, was half tongue in cheek expecting him to at least sit on the bench.
This is the weakest looking Welsh team for some time, the better players are ageing and despite the buzz on the youngsters by some, many haven't really kicked on (although plenty of time for some, for that to still happen). Weak at GK and across midfield, doesn't look good for the Euro 20 or WC qualification.
I'd mentioned in the Pack thread that Vaulks would get a rest during the international break, was half tongue in cheek expecting him to at least sit on the bench.
This is the weakest looking Welsh team for some time, the better players are ageing and despite the buzz on the youngsters by some, many haven't really kicked on (although plenty of time for some, for that to still happen). Weak at GK and across midfield, doesn't look good for the Euro 20 or WC qualification.
yeah I was thinking the same. we've got about 7 or 8 good players. if everyone is fit we can put out a good team but we drop off very quickly after that. it's a pity more of the youngsters haven't kicked on.
over the bridge England have as much talent at the moment as I can ever remember them having. I can see them winning something soon.
yeah I was thinking the same. we've got about 7 or 8 good players. if everyone is fit we can put out a good team but we drop off very quickly after that. it's a pity more of the youngsters haven't kicked on.
over the bridge England have as much talent at the moment as I can ever remember them having. I can see them winning something soon.
People are banging on about this being the best Welsh squad for some time, it really isn't. The current crop have the potential to be special, but they're nowhere near yet and time's running out for some of them to kick on. I do think our first XI is very good though if they're all fit and firing
Hennessey
Roberts/Williams Mepham Rodon Davies
Ampadu Allen
Bale Ramsey James
Moore
the other bob wilson
15-03-21, 14:08
Some of the selections have a youth for youth's sake look to them when you consider the Vaulks omission. I'm not saying Vaulks should be in the starting line up, but he's got more to offer at the moment than, for example, Morrell, Levitt and Sheehan.
No David Brooks either I see,
Overlooking Jephcott is another strange one, banging them in in League 1 but nowhere to be seen
Giggs clearly has his favourites
Some of the selections have a youth for youth's sake look to them when you consider the Vaulks omission. I'm not saying Vaulks should be in the starting line up, but he's got more to offer at the moment than, for example, Morrell, Levitt and Sheehan.
No David Brooks either I see,
Brooks is injured. Other ankle this time. Been out for two weeks but back in April
the other bob wilson
15-03-21, 14:35
Brooks is injured. Other ankle this time. Been out for two weeks but back in April
yes, I knew he was injured, but a couple of years ago I was thinking he was one of three or four who would be able to help see us through the eventual retirements of Bale, Ramsey, Allen, Williams etc. but I think that needs to be reappraised now and Ampadu's not really kicked on as much as hoped either.
OurManFlint II
15-03-21, 14:36
People are banging on about this being the best Welsh squad for some time, it really isn't. The current crop have the potential to be special, but they're nowhere near yet and time's running out for some of them to kick on. I do think our first XI is very good though if they're all fit and firing
Hennessey
Roberts/Williams Mepham Rodon Davies
Ampadu Allen
Bale Ramsey James
Moore
Still think our 2016 squad was the best, packed with regular starters and most in the top flight.
How is Allen doing, can we expect the same one back. Any idea?
FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead
15-03-21, 14:44
That's an absolute nonsense of a selection from Giggs.
Is the requisite for Wales selection these days to be playing as few minutes as possible?
James Lawrence should be absolutely nowhere near an international squad. Especially when James Chester is fit and playing regularly.
What the **** has Tom Lawrence done to be picked?
We all know Vaulks is a limited player but how is he behind Sheehan, Smith and Levitt? It was great for Sheehan to get a call up but is he seriously now going to be a long term option for us? A ****ing 4th division player?!
Even someone like Robbie Burton is more deserving of a spot.
You just know he'll line up with Morrell and Smith against Belgium too.
cyril evans awaydays
15-03-21, 14:44
Isn't it more or less the same group of players that were in the squad for the draw against the USA and the wins vs Ireland and Finland, when Vaulks was also absent?
The Wales management seem happier with players like Morell who are comfortable on the ball and can pass it than hustlers like Vaulks. I was in Croatia for the last competitive Wales game he started where Modric and co gave our midfield an embarrassing run around. We seem to be berating the technical capability of our central midfield and then bemoan that one of their number hasn't made the step up to international level.
How is Allen doing, can we expect the same one back. Any idea?[/QUOTE]
Hopefully dreadfully until Wednesday...
Isn't it more or less the same group of players that were in the squad for the draw against the USA and the wins vs Ireland and Finland, when Vaulks was also absent?
The Wales management seem happier with players like Morell who are comfortable on the ball and can pass it than hustlers like Vaulks. I was in Croatia for the last competitive Wales game he started where Modric and co gave our midfield an embarrassing run around. We seem to be berating the technical capability of our central midfield and then bemoan that one of their number hasn't made the step up to international level.
Joe Morrell can't get in the Luton team, Levitt, Sheehan and Smith all play at a lower level of football. Added to that, they're all very samey players (especially Levitt, Smith & Morrell) there's no need for all of them. Vaulks would offer a different more physical option
Levitt is such a bizarre choice. He's benchwarming for Croatian relegation strugglers while Vaulks is playing for a top half Championship and Robbie Burton is getting gametime for Zagreb
OurManFlint II
15-03-21, 14:55
Isn't it more or less the same group of players that were in the squad for the draw against the USA and the wins vs Ireland and Finland, when Vaulks was also absent?
The Wales management seem happier with players like Morell who are comfortable on the ball and can pass it than hustlers like Vaulks. I was in Croatia for the last competitive Wales game he started where Modric and co gave our midfield an embarrassing run around. We seem to be berating the technical capability of our central midfield and then bemoan that one of their number hasn't made the step up to international level.
To be fair Croatia were world cup runners up and had a midfield consisting of people from Barcelona and Madrid, anybody using that as a yard stick to measure is being unjust.
However looking at recent Wales Teams, we seem to play 5 at the back an another central defender in the midfield.
AfricanBluebird
15-03-21, 14:56
Some of the selections have a youth for youth's sake look to them when you consider the Vaulks omission. I'm not saying Vaulks should be in the starting line up, but he's got more to offer at the moment than, for example, Morrell, Levitt and Sheehan.
No David Brooks either I see,
Agreed. Very odd squad.
I would have thought this would have been an ideal opportunity to bring Brooks back in.
Harsh on Vaulks, especially when seeing who has been picked.
Am sure there is no problem with Will's personality but we're only a few weeks on from his asking why Cardiff can't be happy playing to their reputation and admitting it's a style of football that suits his game more. Our worst performances of the season have seen midfield over-run by pass and move football of Norwich, Swansea, Brentford and that's exactly the type of football most international sides employ. Vaulks hasn't yet impressed on international scene whereas others have when given the same chance.
I have massive sympathy for him on basis of what he does well and how well he's done here but can see some logic in why Page isn't diverting from The Wales Way by picking him for this particular camp. Am sure he has a role to play in future camps, and cause he's a stand up guy will relish proving his doubters wrong, but this is all about trusting what has worked when first two qualifier games are so, so important.
cyril evans awaydays
15-03-21, 15:12
To be fair Croatia were world cup runners up and had a midfield consisting of people from Barcelona and Madrid, anybody using that as a yard stick to measure is being unjust.
However looking at recent Wales Teams, we seem to play 5 at the back an another central defender in the midfield.
Maybe harsh but since that game Wales have played 10 competitive matches winning 6 and drawing 3 in which time Vaulks played 3 minutes and Morrell was a regular starter.
Joe Morrell can't get in the Luton team, Levitt, Sheehan and Smith all play at a lower level of football. Added to that, they're all very samey players (especially Levitt, Smith & Morrell) there's no need for all of them. Vaulks would offer a different more physical option
Levitt is such a bizarre choice. He's benchwarming for Croatian relegation strugglers while Vaulks is playing for a top half Championship and Robbie Burton is getting gametime for Zagreb
Lewitt moved there like two weeks ago. Have they even played enough games in that time for him to be considered bench warming?
Patience is needed with out young lot I reckon. We only had two players showing themselves to be champions League players in Euro 2016 but did alright based on a club like spirit, massive fans support, familiarity with the system, being solid in defence and those two names doing damage in attack. Let's just wait and see if we can get two plus out of the next crop which would show maintaining our standards or better. The other important measures being is whether we have a deeper squad in terms of talent and whether we have covered all 11 positions or whether we're completely missing a LB for example.
I would like to see Burton in a camp soon mind.
the other bob wilson
15-03-21, 15:51
I think Levitt is going to be a good player and Morrell never lets Wales down, but having moaned about City “samey” midfield for ages, I see signs here of Wales doing the same thing, but in the opposite direction. Vaulks would offer something a bit different and has a, spectacular, goal in him every now and then - unless I’ve forgotten about someone, I think of the midfielders selected and can’t come up with anyone who’ll score for us.
Giggs has previously spoken about players needing to play which will no doubt be commented on with this group.
Still, I think this camp is a little bit different given how significant the games are. How many selections come out of left-field for a world cup/euros and this camp is of similar magnitude in importance.
BlueArmy 86
15-03-21, 16:39
What a slap in the face for Vaulks. He should walk into that squad.
mazadona10
15-03-21, 16:53
Morrell has put in a number of decent displays.
However, this is a farce it's all well and good to pick one type of player but when things get tough you need someone like Vaulks who will run and run.
He's showing that he can score goals from absolutely nothing and for me he is our most important midfielder in a team in promotion form. This has pissed me off.
well he will probably be put in once ramsey drops out - or will that be brooks?
well he will probably be put in once ramsey drops out - or will that be brooks?
Unfortunately it's probably too early for Ramsey and we need him to be built up for the Euros. Tyler Roberts to step into that role?
In terms of who replaces Rambo in the camp, and as harsh as this sounds, but Colwill as next man up? On basis of Colwill having better technical skill than Vaulks and MM identifying him as possible solution to "What happens when Moore needs a rest?" which is also going to be asked at international level. I don't want to come down on Vaulks who definitely has a part to play in future camps but would you select him if acting as manager of Brentford? I go back to that interview where he said this Cardiff team fits his style of play....
OurManFlint II
15-03-21, 17:17
Maybe harsh but since that game Wales have played 10 competitive matches winning 6 and drawing 3 in which time Vaulks played 3 minutes and Morrell was a regular starter.
Agree, but harsh to miss out completely, especially with a friendly sandwiched in.
FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead
15-03-21, 18:39
I think it's harsh on Vaulks, but I'm more pissed off that he's overlooked James Chester for James Lawrence.
Giggs is so pre occupied with players who can pass the ball that he's completely freezing out players who do other parts of the game well.
Or maybe I've just been watching Cardiff for too long.
well he will probably be put in once ramsey drops out - or will that be brooks?
Brooks is out
I think it's harsh on Vaulks, but I'm more pissed off that he's overlooked James Chester for James Lawrence.
Giggs is so pre occupied with players who can pass the ball that he's completely freezing out players who do other parts of the game well.
Or maybe I've just been watching Cardiff for too long.
Chester has been poorly treated.
I think it's harsh on Vaulks, but I'm more pissed off that he's overlooked James Chester for James Lawrence.
Giggs is so pre occupied with players who can pass the ball that he's completely freezing out players who do other parts of the game well.
Or maybe I've just been watching Cardiff for too long.
True. Think Vaulks will come back in when not playing Belgium and Czechia mind.
Pedro de la Rosa
15-03-21, 20:18
Overlooking Jephcott is another strange one, banging them in in League 1 but nowhere to be seen
Giggs clearly has his favourites
I dont think Jephcott has scored in 9? Vaulks can't play as well, he's done well for us but he's a really limited footballer and that's certainly counted against him. Still, he's better than Levitt at present.
Pedro de la Rosa
15-03-21, 20:19
Chester has been poorly treated.
With his injury record, and his age, does Chester want to be involved?
With his injury record, and his age, does Chester want to be involved?
He hasn’t retired from international football and plays regularly again. If he wasn’t bothered he would surely have retired from internationals.
the other bob wilson
16-03-21, 07:02
Wales to have "dialogue" with Juventus about Aaron Ramsey. I think it's harsh to say that Ramsey is not committed to Wales, but that only staring three of Wales' last twenty matches stat is a telling one and it seems to me that we're at a stage where now where we should plan as if he's not going to play and treat any games where he does play as a bonus;-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56409934
Aaron Ramsey, Ben Davies & Tom Lockyer all out
Don Corleone
23-03-21, 11:58
Aaron Ramsey, Ben Davies & Tom Lockyer all out
Davies is out as well? Losing his experience at the back is a blow! Going to be a real struggle against the Belgians, I suspect we might not get off to a great start in our WC qualifying campaign yet again
Wales to have "dialogue" with Juventus about Aaron Ramsey. I think it's harsh to say that Ramsey is not committed to Wales, but that only staring three of Wales' last twenty matches stat is a telling one and it seems to me that we're at a stage where now where we should plan as if he's not going to play and treat any games where he does play as a bonus;-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56409934
Hasn't he just had a quite poor time of injuries lately, last year and a half I guess. He seems to be unable to get much if a run going without something.
I agree we should be looking beyond him and bale really, think within the next couple of years, maybe less, we will officially not be able to call on either anyway.
All cycles I suppose but how I'd love to have prime bale and Ramsey back.
OurManFlint II
23-03-21, 12:58
Davies is out as well? Losing his experience at the back is a blow! Going to be a real struggle against the Belgians, I suspect we might not get off to a great start in our WC qualifying campaign yet again
with Davies out he might be forced to play 2 midfielders in midfield, rather than 1 centre back and 1 midfielder.
Hasn't he just had a quite poor time of injuries lately, last year and a half I guess. He seems to be unable to get much if a run going without something.
I agree we should be looking beyond him and bale really, think within the next couple of years, maybe less, we will officially not be able to call on either anyway.
All cycles I suppose but how I'd love to have prime bale and Ramsey back.
Ramsey was in fine form and playing a run of games but over exerted himself trying to turn Emery's Arsenal around and hasn't had any luck since.
Davies has probably played more games this year than anyone not name Kieffer Moore and is a huge loss.
It's going to be a very tough game but we have to believe we can get something out of it.
Not good news about Ben Davies. Three certain starters in Davies, Ramsey and Brooks all missing.
OurManFlint II
24-03-21, 07:14
That's an absolute nonsense of a selection from Giggs.
Is the requisite for Wales selection these days to be playing as few minutes as possible?
James Lawrence should be absolutely nowhere near an international squad. Especially when James Chester is fit and playing regularly.
What the **** has Tom Lawrence done to be picked?
We all know Vaulks is a limited player but how is he behind Sheehan, Smith and Levitt? It was great for Sheehan to get a call up but is he seriously now going to be a long term option for us? A ****ing 4th division player?!
Even someone like Robbie Burton is more deserving of a spot.
You just know he'll line up with Morrell and Smith against Belgium too.
I read that Lawrence is only available for the Belgium game due to covid travel restrictions. Even more baffling, especially as he'll probably be sat on the bench for that game.
I read that Lawrence is only available for the Belgium game due to covid travel restrictions. Even more baffling, especially as he'll probably be sat on the bench for that game.
He'll start as Davies' replacement on the left of a back 3
OurManFlint II
24-03-21, 16:33
He'll start as Davies' replacement on the left of a back 3
Possible, i'm thinking that with Allen fit they might drop Ampadu back in there with Mepham and Rondon.
Possible, i'm thinking that with Allen fit they might drop Ampadu back in there with Mepham and Rondon.
This seems like the obvious choice to me.
Hoping for a couple of covid isolation cases on their side. Well 4 or 5 would be nice!
Couldn't get a more difficult start to a world Cup campaign, Worlds number one away.
Could be a case of deja vu with respect to last Saturday, nine behind the ball with Bale up top.
Whatever the side, full court press from the off and see what happens.
Possible, i'm thinking that with Allen fit they might drop Ampadu back in there with Mepham and Rondon.
The management seem to love Lawrence. I think it'll be Lawrence-Rodon-Mepham with Allen & Ampadu in midfield
Pedro de la Rosa
24-03-21, 17:45
The management seem to love Lawrence. I think it'll be Lawrence-Rodon-Mepham with Allen & Ampadu in midfield
He's left footed, so they'll love that in the left of a 3. Apparently it is Hennessey; Mepham, Rodon, Lawrence; Roberts, Allen, Ampadu, RND; Bale, Moore, James... with the odd surprise. I hope Cabango plays
OurManFlint II
24-03-21, 18:00
He's left footed, so they'll love that in the left of a 3. Apparently it is Hennessey; Mepham, Rodon, Lawrence; Roberts, Allen, Ampadu, RND; Bale, Moore, James... with the odd surprise. I hope Cabango plays
Makes sense, i mean why have 5 defenders on the pitch when you can have 6
I know Belgium are No.1 but they've only faced England recently that are decent. A few much like ourselves e.g. Denmark, Switzerland, and Iceland...then loads of sh1te like Scotland, San Marino, Cyprus etc. So i'm predicting a miserable night for us as we ship 3 or 4 :wales:
Pedro de la Rosa
24-03-21, 18:19
Wow, didn't see that team coming.
James Wilson Bale
Allen Ampadu
Neco, Lawrence, Rodon, Mepham, Roberts
Ward
Bale as a striker? Long night ahead of us
I hope I'm wrong, but Bale up front doesn't work, its why Moore was so important to the last campaign
Stanmore Bluebird
24-03-21, 18:29
Pity that Wilson is starting from the City viewpoint, but relieved that Moore and Williams are only subs and hopefully may not be used.
WJ99mobile
24-03-21, 18:32
Wow, didn't see that team coming.
James Wilson Bale
Allen Ampadu
Neco, Lawrence, Rodon, Mepham, Roberts
Ward
Sit deep and try and counter
mazadona10
24-03-21, 18:40
I think Wilson will be playing through the middle. Think it's bizarre not seeing Moore there but we are likely to get a hiding. At least we will get to see great passing as have chosen not to include vaulks looking forward to having 95% possession
LeningradCowboy
24-03-21, 18:42
When was the last time Wales played well without Moore up front?
If that Noddyhead-Davies gets anywhere near the pitch, he'll get sent off.
Stanmore Bluebird
24-03-21, 18:53
To me, Moore looks somewhat lame at the end of his recent matches for the City. For our beloved club team needs, I think it is good that he doesn’t start.
Pedro de la Rosa
24-03-21, 19:09
When was the last time Wales played well without Moore up front?
Finland at home... so the last game :hehe:
I get your point, by the way!
we're going to get battered
What a Goal!!!
Harry Wilson, a thing of beauty :wales:
Edit:
No match thread MM? :sherlock:
Edit2: sorry just seen the match thread doh!
splott parker
24-03-21, 19:58
That was so Cardiff City like that move, a joy to watch:thumbup:
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