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SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 20:50
never understood the attraction myself

Watching football , rugby , cricket , going running , swimming etc , birdwatching , collecting old China, playing chess , whatever

But sitting on a chair pretending to be a gangster , car thief or golfer ?

I am non plussed on that

xsnaggle
18-04-21, 21:04
I want to know how all these kids can sit in their bedrooms gaming all day but don't have computers or internet to do home schooling, and demand that the government provide it? :shrug:

Llandaff Blue
18-04-21, 21:16
No different to people sitting around watching movies and sport

blue matt
18-04-21, 21:19
FIFA is great fun with mates

Mario Kart on the switch is a cracking laugh

the GTA games can kill hours if you are bored

COD cannot be faulted for entertainment

Eric the Half a Bee
18-04-21, 21:21
I want to know how all these kids can sit in their bedrooms gaming all day but don't have computers or internet to do home schooling, and demand that the government provide it? :shrug:

So how do you know all kids are sitting in their bedrooms gaming all day but don't have computers? Over to you.

xsnaggle
18-04-21, 21:25
So how do you know all kids are sitting in their bedrooms gaming all day but don't have computers? Over to you.

:fishing: :hehe:

Citizen's Nephew
18-04-21, 21:51
No different to people sitting around watching movies and sport

I'd go further and say that interactivity with gaming media is better in every way. Problem-solving, team-building, technical skills, art, music, graphic design, complex computer skills development, story-telling, teaching media, training media, educational media, can help with fitness, disabilities, ...gaming is so much more than the stereotypical kids in their bedroom. That's such a cliche and the MSM still hasn't caught up.

It's a bigger industry than sports and movies combined.

During the start of the pandemic, the esports GP at Catalunya included Max Verstappen (https://www.autosport.com/esports/news/f1-star-verstappen-dominates-catalunya-esports-race-4983433/4983433/) and attracted 19 Million viewers on Steam.

Motorsport esport has produced drivers who've competed at the 24 Hours of Le Mans as well as numerous other real-world tracks. Where could you learn to drive a Porsche 911, for example, around any World Circuit without 100s of thousands of pounds?

I know Sim Racers in their 80s. It doesn't matter what age you are. Stick a workout app on and race at Spa on a Sim Rig for two hours flat out and you're arms, shoulders, heart, and brain will know it.

Try playing FIFA or PES at the highest level. There are pro teams out there. The games are more complex than darts or snooker I can assure you (and I'm not knocking darts or snooker).

Gaming is being used to help with Dementia and other Neurological Degenerative diseases

It's also incredibly social. Gaming is not a kids thing by any means. Only adults have the disposable income to afford high-level gaming these days.

I could go on.

Full disclosure. I am a game developer.

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:00
No different to people sitting around watching movies and sport

Sure but its a little odd I think for someone in their 40s pretending to be a drugs dealer , escaping from the police and shooting everyone

I mean city are crap but its real life

Llandaff Blue
18-04-21, 22:02
I'd go further and say that interactivity with gaming media is better in every way. Problem-solving, team-building, technical skills, art, music, graphic design, complex computer skills development, story-telling, teaching media, training media, educational media, can help with fitness, disabilities, ...gaming is so much more than the stereotypical kids in their bedroom. That's such a cliche and the MSM still hasn't caught up.

It's a bigger industry than sports and movies combined.

During the start of the pandemic, the esports GP at Catalunya included Max Verstappen (https://www.autosport.com/esports/news/f1-star-verstappen-dominates-catalunya-esports-race-4983433/4983433/) and attracted 19 Million viewers on Steam.

Motorsport esport has produced drivers who've competed at the 24 Hours of Le Mans as well as numerous other real-world tracks. Where could you learn to drive a Porsche 911, for example, around any World Circuit without 100s of thousands of pounds?

I know Sim Racers in their 80s. It doesn't matter what age you are. Stick a workout app on and race at Spa on a Sim Rig for two hours flat out and you're arms, shoulders, heart, and brain will know it.

Try playing FIFA or PES at the highest level. There are pro teams out there. The games are more complex than darts or snooker I can assure you (and I'm not knocking darts or snooker).

Gaming is being used to help with Dementia and other Neurological Degenerative diseases

It's also incredibly social. Gaming is not a kids thing by any means. Only adults have the disposable income to afford high-level gaming these days.

I could go on.

Full disclosure. I am a game developer.

You put this far more eloquently than I ever could.

chris lee
18-04-21, 22:03
Sure but its a little odd I think for someone in their 40s pretending to be a drugs dealer , escaping from the police and shooting everyone

I mean city are crap but its real life

It is the same as reading a murder mystery novel or binge watching breaking bad is it not? World building, fantasy and escapism.. all of which are good, in moderation.

Llandaff Blue
18-04-21, 22:03
Sure but its a little odd I think for someone in their 40s pretending to be a drugs dealer , escaping from the police and shooting everyone

I mean city are crap but its real life

As opposed to watching a film where 40 year old men pretend to be drug dealers escaping the police? I think you should read the post above, there's a lot more to gaming than I think you're aware of.

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:04
I'd go further and say that interactivity with gaming media is better in every way. Problem-solving, team-building, technical skills, art, music, graphic design, complex computer skills development, story-telling, teaching media, training media, educational media, can help with fitness, disabilities, ...gaming is so much more than the stereotypical kids in their bedroom. That's such a cliche and the MSM still hasn't caught up.

It's a bigger industry than sports and movies combined.

During the start of the pandemic, the esports GP at Catalunya included Max Verstappen (https://www.autosport.com/esports/news/f1-star-verstappen-dominates-catalunya-esports-race-4983433/4983433/) and attracted 19 Million viewers on Steam.

Motorsport esport has produced drivers who've competed at the 24 Hours of Le Mans as well as numerous other real-world tracks. Where could you learn to drive a Porsche 911, for example, around any World Circuit without 100s of thousands of pounds?

I know Sim Racers in their 80s. It doesn't matter what age you are. Stick a workout app on and race at Spa on a Sim Rig for two hours flat out and you're arms, shoulders, heart, and brain will know it.

Try playing FIFA or PES at the highest level. There are pro teams out there. The games are more complex than darts or snooker I can assure you (and I'm not knocking darts or snooker).

Gaming is being used to help with Dementia and other Neurological Degenerative diseases

It's also incredibly social. Gaming is not a kids thing by any means. Only adults have the disposable income to afford high-level gaming these days.

I could go on.

Full disclosure. I am a game developer.

disclosure accepted

I see being social as going for a walk with friends , playing 5 a side , going to watch city , fishing , playing golf , local pub pool league etc

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:05
It is the same as reading a murder mystery novel or binge watching breaking bad is it not? World building, fantasy and escapism.. all of which are good, in moderation.

I don't do either of those

Citizen's Nephew
18-04-21, 22:06
You put this far more eloquently than I ever could. I think you put your point across perfectly :thumbup:

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:07
As opposed to watching a film where 40 year old men pretend to be drug dealers escaping the police? I think you should read the post above, there's a lot more to gaming than I think you're aware of.

I can't think of anything worse than gaming , I think the use of gaming in the treatment of dementia and epilepsy sounds interesting but the concept in itself I find a bit odd

adz-a32
18-04-21, 22:08
I'd go further and say that interactivity with gaming media is better in every way. Problem-solving, team-building, technical skills, art, music, graphic design, complex computer skills development, story-telling, teaching media, training media, educational media, can help with fitness, disabilities, ...gaming is so much more than the stereotypical kids in their bedroom. That's such a cliche and the MSM still hasn't caught up.

It's a bigger industry than sports and movies combined.

During the start of the pandemic, the esports GP at Catalunya included Max Verstappen (https://www.autosport.com/esports/news/f1-star-verstappen-dominates-catalunya-esports-race-4983433/4983433/) and attracted 19 Million viewers on Steam.

Motorsport esport has produced drivers who've competed at the 24 Hours of Le Mans as well as numerous other real-world tracks. Where could you learn to drive a Porsche 911, for example, around any World Circuit without 100s of thousands of pounds?

I know Sim Racers in their 80s. It doesn't matter what age you are. Stick a workout app on and race at Spa on a Sim Rig for two hours flat out and you're arms, shoulders, heart, and brain will know it.

Try playing FIFA or PES at the highest level. There are pro teams out there. The games are more complex than darts or snooker I can assure you (and I'm not knocking darts or snooker).

Gaming is being used to help with Dementia and other Neurological Degenerative diseases

It's also incredibly social. Gaming is not a kids thing by any means. Only adults have the disposable income to afford high-level gaming these days.

I could go on.

Full disclosure. I am a game developer.

This. Especially with the story telling. I love the Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (a bit retro ik!) due to it's story-telling and problem-solving nature. And nowadays you have games like Spiderman Miles Morales and the Final Fantasy 7 remake that are very cinematic and fun to play. It is like an interactive movie.

During lockdown, instead of playing football in real life, I have been playing FIFA with my mates and it's like a modern-day game of chess if you think about it. I played Among Us, which helped me reconnect with an old friend who is into that game, and I joined Discord servers making friends from USA to New Zealand.

Gaming is not necessarily a kids thing, I agree. We grew up with games, basically you had late Gen X, Millennial and Gen Z growing up with games and I think with the last 2 generations I mentioned, we are playing games into adulthood. Even more so considering we needed to beat the lockdown boredom!

Citizen's Nephew
18-04-21, 22:13
disclosure accepted

I see being social as going for a walk with friends , playing 5 a side , going to watch city , fishing , playing golf , local pub pool league etc Why do these have to be mutually exclusive Sludge? Also, some people can't do all of those things, maybe can no longer do all of those things.

Anyway, I kinda like the fact that we're not all the same! :thumbup:

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:15
This. Especially with the story telling. I love the Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (a bit retro ik!) due to it's story-telling and problem-solving nature. And nowadays you have games like Spiderman Miles Morales and the Final Fantasy 7 remake that are very cinematic and fun to play. It is like an interactive movie.

During lockdown, instead of playing football in real life, I have been playing FIFA with my mates and it's like a modern-day game of chess if you think about it. I played Among Us, which helped me reconnect with an old friend who is into that game, and I joined Discord servers making friends from USA to New Zealand.

Gaming is not necessarily a kids thing, I agree. We grew up with games, basically you had late Gen X, Millennial and Gen Z growing up with games and I think with the last 2 generations I mentioned, we are playing games into adulthood. Even more so considering we needed to beat the lockdown boredom!

I am glad you enjoy it as other people enjoy playing squash but it all seems a bit bladerunner to me

Llandaff Blue
18-04-21, 22:16
I can't think of anything worse than gaming , I think the use of gaming in the treatment of dementia and epilepsy sounds interesting but the concept in itself I find a bit odd

You're being dramatic but fair enough

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:16
Why do these have to be mutually exclusive Sludge? Also, some people can't do all of those things, maybe can no longer do all of those things.

Anyway, I kinda like the fact that we're not all the same! :thumbup:

thats fine it just seems a bit too soylent green , logins run for me

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:19
You're being dramatic but fair enough

no I fully appreciate from the post above that its got its plus points , however fishing clubs bring disabled people close to nature in a more healthy way I would argue

adz-a32
18-04-21, 22:23
I am glad you enjoy it as other people enjoy playing squash but it all seems a bit bladerunner to me

Sludge, mate, don’t think I’m crazy but...


I used to play squash as a kid :hehe: Got any other childhood hobbies of mine you wanna knock? :hehe:

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:25
Sludge, mate, don’t think I’m crazy but...


I used to play squash as a kid :hehe: Got any other childhood hobbies of mine you wanna knock? :hehe:


When I was a kid men were men , we went fishing , played football , went to heavy metal concerts with denim jackets and loads of patches on

Squash !

Sort yourself out

Llandaff Blue
18-04-21, 22:26
no I fully appreciate from the post above that its got its plus points , however fishing clubs bring disabled people close to nature in a more healthy way I would argue

It's not a competition :hehe:

Gaming isn't for you, that's fine. I guess if you didn't really grow up with it then it might be harder to fully appreciate

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:28
It's not a competition :hehe:

Gaming isn't for you, that's fine. I guess if you didn't really grow up with it then it might be harder to fully appreciate

maybe I just ain't bright enough 😕

I struggle with a zx81

adz-a32
18-04-21, 22:32
When I was a kid men were men , we went fishing , played football , went to heavy metal concerts with denim jackets and loads of patches on

Squash !

Sort yourself out

Hey, I played football as a kid too. That hobby carried on until rona. Gonna restart once it feels safe enough to tbh. Wear my city shirt with pride, albeit on a 3G/Powerleague pitch. And I love my denim jacket - prolly my most worn item of clothing.

There is nothing wrong with squash - good cardio that helps hand eye coordination

SLUDGE FACTORY
18-04-21, 22:35
Hey, I played football as a kid too. That hobby carried on until rona. Gonna restart once it feels safe enough to tbh. Wear my city shirt with pride, albeit on a 3G/Powerleague pitch. And I love my denim jacket - prolly my most worn item of clothing.

There is nothing wrong with squash - good cardio that helps hand eye coordination

Badminton

Hard-core 💪

Citizen's Nephew
18-04-21, 22:47
This. Especially with the story telling. I love the Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (a bit retro ik!) due to it's story-telling and problem-solving nature. And nowadays you have games like Spiderman Miles Morales and the Final Fantasy 7 remake that are very cinematic and fun to play. It is like an interactive movie.

During lockdown, instead of playing football in real life, I have been playing FIFA with my mates and it's like a modern-day game of chess if you think about it. I played Among Us, which helped me reconnect with an old friend who is into that game, and I joined Discord servers making friends from USA to New Zealand.

Gaming is not necessarily a kids thing, I agree. We grew up with games, basically you had late Gen X, Millennial and Gen Z growing up with games and I think with the last 2 generations I mentioned, we are playing games into adulthood. Even more so considering we needed to beat the lockdown boredom!

Great post. Yup, you're absolutely right. Lockdown would have been even more awful than it was for me without PES. When I wasn't playing, I'd sim a match in the background just to keep hearing the crowd and all the cheering! I know people whose live's were saved by gaming either single-player or multiplayer when their mental health was suffering badly.

With FIFA 21 you can add CCFC and Wales chants too! Always cheers me up.

I sim race practice for at least an hour every morning. I haven't driven a real car for 10 years and don't know what I'd do without esports. Made connections with Porsche test drivers, real-world teams, and some of the most amazing and fastest sim drivers who completely blitz some of the real-world pros.

And Zelda and retro gaming are huge too, but also, with Nintendo releasing the Switch and Switch Lite, Zelda just keeps going strong!

It's interesting you mentioned Among Us because I recently read a review on Steam from a guy who said it completely saved his sanity and helped him reconnect with his kids and ex-wife and he met his current partner playing online.

Citizen's Nephew
18-04-21, 22:55
FIFA is great fun with mates

Mario Kart on the switch is a cracking laugh

the GTA games can kill hours if you are bored

COD cannot be faulted for entertainment

:thumbup:

blue matt
18-04-21, 23:19
. I played Among Us, which helped me reconnect with an old friend who is into that game, and I joined Discord servers making friends from USA to New Zealand.



What a basic game, but during the 1st lockdown, all 4 of us would be sat on our phones, both daughters would invite friends to play and we would all be playing the same game

Of course that was last years game and its since been deleted from all our phones, but it was fun for a few weeks :thumbup:

lardy
19-04-21, 07:29
disclosure accepted

I see being social as going for a walk with friends , playing 5 a side , going to watch city , fishing , playing golf , local pub pool league etc

Fishing? Isn't the point of fishing that you get peace and quiet away from others?

adz-a32
19-04-21, 07:45
What a basic game, but during the 1st lockdown, all 4 of us would be sat on our phones, both daughters would invite friends to play and we would all be playing the same game

Of course that was last years game and its since been deleted from all our phones, but it was fun for a few weeks :thumbup:

Yeah, during the hype, I played it after work with my colleagues. Enabled me to get to know them when wfh

Trigger
19-04-21, 08:21
I play fifa and then also like games with a good story, a bit like you interacting with a movie really.

The last of us series was terrific.

Football manager I had to give up in my early 20s, should come with a health warning. So addictive.

Rjk
19-04-21, 10:41
Great post. Yup, you're absolutely right. Lockdown would have been even more awful than it was for me without PES. When I wasn't playing, I'd sim a match in the background just to keep hearing the crowd and all the cheering! I know people whose live's were saved by gaming either single-player or multiplayer when their mental health was suffering badly.

With FIFA 21 you can add CCFC and Wales chants too! Always cheers me up.

I sim race practice for at least an hour every morning. I haven't driven a real car for 10 years and don't know what I'd do without esports. Made connections with Porsche test drivers, real-world teams, and some of the most amazing and fastest sim drivers who completely blitz some of the real-world pros.

And Zelda and retro gaming are huge too, but also, with Nintendo releasing the Switch and Switch Lite, Zelda just keeps going strong!

It's interesting you mentioned Among Us because I recently read a review on Steam from a guy who said it completely saved his sanity and helped him reconnect with his kids and ex-wife and he met his current partner playing online.

I'd never been into the Zelda series, but a couple of years ago I bought BOTW for my eldest and he absolutely loved it.

I don't really have to time to properly get back into gaming, but if I was able to retire tomorrow I would love to get into some of the new stuff.
I do enjoy the odd game of splatoon though

Citizen's Nephew
19-04-21, 19:31
Oh man! Splatoon is fab! You've got to hand it to Nintendo, they've really done well with the launch of the Switch (and I was one of the handful of people who loved the Wii U!).

There's some amazing stuff being developed and don't forget VR as well as AR games too. I do understand the time element and it's been something that developers have considered more and more. Assassin's Creed going full-on RPG for example means it's more accessible to a completely new set of players.

adz-a32
19-04-21, 20:19
Oh man! Splatoon is fab! You've got to hand it to Nintendo, they've really done well with the launch of the Switch (and I was one of the handful of people who loved the Wii U!).

There's some amazing stuff being developed and don't forget VR as well as AR games too. I do understand the time element and it's been something that developers have considered more and more. Assassin's Creed going full-on RPG for example means it's more accessible to a completely new set of players.

I’m considering getting a Switch too but with restrictions ending, I don’t think I would have the time to play all these games :hehe:

I guess for now it will be the odd Fifa session in the garden

Harry Paget Flashman
19-04-21, 20:47
Sludge you are nailed on to get a Virtual Reality style Holo Room when they create a realistic dogging / fishing / metal guru simulator.

blue matt
19-04-21, 22:41
I’m considering getting a Switch too but with restrictions ending, I don’t think I would have the time to play all these games :hehe:

I guess for now it will be the odd Fifa session in the garden

I must admit when we got the switch ( must be 3 christmas's ago now ) i was sceptical, but its a great little console, its not going to cut it against the PS5 and new Xbox for high end games, but FIFA is very playable on it, Mario Kart is just a classic and ive played it on the SNES , N64, GBA, GC, Wii and the NDS, the switch MK has the tracks from other games, so rainbow road N64 is on it, its a great bit of nostalgia

Citizen's Nephew
20-04-21, 01:45
I'd never been into the Zelda series, but a couple of years ago I bought BOTW for my eldest and he absolutely loved it.

I don't really have to time to properly get back into gaming, but if I was able to retire tomorrow I would love to get into some of the new stuff.
I do enjoy the odd game of splatoon though

Reposting this because I didn't mean to not reply to you and just posted to the thread in hurry, so apologies.

Oh man! Splatoon is fab! You've got to hand it to Nintendo, they've really done well with the launch of the Switch (and I was one of the handful of people who loved the Wii U!).

There's some amazing stuff being developed and don't forget VR as well as AR games too. I do understand the time element and it's been something that developers have considered more and more. Assassin's Creed going full-on RPG for example means it's more accessible to a completely new set of players.

Citizen's Nephew
20-04-21, 01:46
Sludge you are nailed on to get a Virtual Reality style Holo Room when they create a realistic dogging / fishing / metal guru simulator.

I'm pretty sure you can find this stuff in Tokyo already!