Justice for the 96...

[Jordi Culé]

Never going to happen due to a technicality.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/28/hillsborough-last-chance-of-justice-slips-away-for-bereaved-families

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Never going to happen due to a technicality.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/28/hillsborough-last-chance-of-justice-slips-away-for-bereaved-families

Its appalling

Never mind the always the victims arseholes , Hillsborough was a flecking stitch up and the corruption went through the police , the ambulance service and the government

Its an absolute disgrace

Poor bastards

One of my mates at college was crushed in that

He went from being a football loving cheeky git who would come to watch Cardiff with me to a bloke on a life support machine to someone who now needs 24 hour care

He wasn't drunk , he didn't force open the gates or open them himself , he was crushed up against the fence , pushed over for help by fellow fans and then given sub standard medical treatment .

And like any of us all he was doing was going to a football match .


Fecking stinks .

[ToTaL ITK]

disgusting from start to finish

[Hilts]

Its incredible looking at footage matches from years back with fans crammed together and fenced in.

Luckily we were shit for most of the days but looking back the Welsh Cup Final v Wexham in Swansea the ground must have held 15000 minimum. If i remember correct there were about 200 Wrexham fans behind 1 goal a similar amount of Swansea fans in the North Bank and around easily 5000 of us crammed into 1 end which I believe was split into 2 ares with a fence down the middle.

Sadly it was a disaster waiting to happen and the cover up and reporting a disgrace.

[life on mars]

It was dreadful however shouldn't we draw a line now .

[insider]

Never draw a line
Never forgive
Never forget.
The establishment have gotten off Scott free in this.
96 people lost their lives never forgotten by me and never will.

[Llandaff Blue]

It was dreadful however shouldn't we draw a line now .

you consistently post the worst takes on this board

[Stanmore Bluebird]

Having lived in Liverpool whilst a student, I can advise that their fans are horrible. It is never their fault for Heysel or Hillsborough. When things go wrong for their team, they moan more way than any other supporters. If they had behaved themselves, then my opinion is that there would have been little or no bereavements at aforementioned stadiums. It was mainly the bad behaviour of Liverpool fans that caused English clubs to be banned from European tournaments for a number of years.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Its incredible looking at footage matches from years back with fans crammed together and fenced in.

Luckily we were shit for most of the days but looking back the Welsh Cup Final v Wexham in Swansea the ground must have held 15000 minimum. If i remember correct there were about 200 Wrexham fans behind 1 goal a similar amount of Swansea fans in the North Bank and around easily 5000 of us crammed into 1 end which I believe was split into 2 ares with a fence down the middle.

Sadly it was a disaster waiting to happen and the cover up and reporting a disgrace.

It was very uncomfortable in the west terrace that night , I wanted to celebrate when we scored but I could hardly move . They could easily have given us the North Bank.

When the final was switched to the millennium or whatever it was called that day Swansea brought 4000 fans and they could sit in comfort

Why so many of us were crammed into that chicken wire enclosure is beyond me

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Having lived in Liverpool whilst a student, I can advise that their fans are horrible. It is never their fault for Heysel or Hillsborough. When things go wrong for their team, they moan more way than any other supporters. If they had behaved themselves, then my opinion is that there would have been little or no bereavements at aforementioned stadiums. It was mainly the bad behaviour of Liverpool fans that caused English clubs to be banned from European tournaments for a number of years.

there is always one

I said there are people out there who despite the evidence still blame the fans and here comes along one

You are talking about the behaviour of football fans

Do you know anything about the behaviour of Cardiff City fans in the last 40 years ?

I have seen disorder from our clubs fans in this country and in Europe

If the fences hadn't been in place for many of our games in the past then there would have been riots

As a club we were at the forefront of violence for many years and if you are going to shame Liverpool for Hillsborough.......which didn't involve violence and intimidation ......then you need to shame Cardiff , Chelsea , Wolves , Leeds , Millwall , Stoke , West Ham , Spurs , Birmingham City , Portsmouth and lots of other football clubs

Leeds were rioting in 1974 in Europe , big time , luckily nobody was killed

[William Treseder]

there is always one

I said there are people out there who despite the evidence still blame the fans and here comes along one

You are talking about the behaviour of football fans

Do you know anything about the behaviour of Cardiff City fans in the last 40 years ?

I have seen disorder from our clubs fans in this country and in Europe

If the fences hadn't been in place for many of our games in the past then there would have been riots

As a club we were at the forefront of violence for many years and if you are going to shame Liverpool for Hillsborough.......which didn't involve violence and intimidation ......then you need to shame Cardiff , Chelsea , Wolves , Leeds , Millwall , Stoke , West Ham , Spurs , Birmingham City , Portsmouth and lots of other football clubs

Leeds were rioting in 1974 in Europe , big time , luckily nobody was killed

So basically, the hooligans of the time, from all the clubs you mentioned, are just as much to blame as the fuzz. If fences hadn’t had to have been there, not a single Liverpool fan would have died that day.

[Tuerto]

So basically, the hooligans of the time, from all the clubs you mentioned, are just as much to blame as the fuzz. If fences hadn’t had to have been there, not a single Liverpool fan would have died that day.

People didn't die because of fences, that's a bit like saying a car is to blame for a pedestrians death even though the person driving was pissed and out of control.

[William Treseder]

People didn't die because of fences, that's a bit like saying a car is to blame for a pedestrians death even though the person driving was pissed and out of control.

Of course they died because of the fences.If they weren’t there, they would have survived. The combination of police mistakes, fans trying to get in without tickets, and the presence of fences, was the lethal cocktail.
Some folk just wont accept that fact.
The police trying to cover up the part they played is and was disgraceful, but they were not alone in the blame department.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

So basically, the hooligans of the time, from all the clubs you mentioned, are just as much to blame as the fuzz. If fences hadn’t had to have been there, not a single Liverpool fan would have died that day.

Well thats incorrect

Many died in the tunnel , nowhere near any fences

Hillsborough could have happened to any clubs fans , including ours

Hereford away in the Welsh Cup was a nightmare

And if we are talking about the police , who were just a part of the nightmare of Hillsborough........shocking , inept and badly organised according to the Taylor report .......then South Yorkshire Police clearly learned nothing from Hillsborough as they went berserk on innocent Cardiff fans outside Bramhall Lane on our first visit back in 2003

You seem very black and white , good and bad , crime and punishment which is your opinion but the facts about Hillsborough put the blame fairly and squarely on the police , the ambulance service , the ticketing allocation and the fact that a serious road accident on the main road into Sheffield delayed thousands of fans who arrived on masse

Many of those killed or injured hadn't consumed any alcohol and all the crap about our brave cops being assaulted or pissed on by drunken scousers as they tried to revive dying football fans was utter shite written by the sun

People with a bit going on upstairs know that's utter lies

I am off now , my friend is still in need of 24 hour care whilst ill informed people still trot out the same old bullshit 😴

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Of course they died because of the fences.If they weren’t there, they would have survived. The combination of police mistakes, fans trying to get in without tickets, and the presence of fences, was the lethal cocktail.
Some folk just wont accept that fact.
The police trying to cover up the part they played is and was disgraceful, but they were not alone in the blame department.

What even those crushed in the tunnel ?

Some folk are just ill informed, as you are

Now that , really is it

[William Treseder]

How many were crushed to death in the tunnel ?
Can you show me where you got this from?

[blue matt]

Of course they died because of the fences.If they weren’t there, they would have survived. The combination of police mistakes, fans trying to get in without tickets, and the presence of fences, was the lethal cocktail.
Some folk just wont accept that fact.
The police trying to cover up the part they played is and was disgraceful, but they were not alone in the blame department.

We know the police made mistakes, and they wrongly attempted to cover them up

Lets not forget the Liverpool fans knew that if they arrived en masse ( with or without tickets ) over loaded the turnstiles the Police would open the gates to let them all in ( the Liverpool fans were well known for it, yes other teams had done in, i know we did at Hereford in the early 90's, they just opened the emergency gates and we filled the front paddock )

any death at football is one too many, the time for Justice is gone, the police who made the decisions are now a long time gone, of course they want justice and deserve it, but what does justice look like now ? ? ?

[xsnaggle]

there is always one

I said there are people out there who despite the evidence still blame the fans and here comes along one

You are talking about the behaviour of football fans

Do you know anything about the behaviour of Cardiff City fans in the last 40 years ?

I have seen disorder from our clubs fans in this country and in Europe

If the fences hadn't been in place for many of our games in the past then there would have been riots

As a club we were at the forefront of violence for many years and if you are going to shame Liverpool for Hillsborough.......which didn't involve violence and intimidation ......then you need to shame Cardiff , Chelsea , Wolves , Leeds , Millwall , Stoke , West Ham , Spurs , Birmingham City , Portsmouth and lots of other football clubs

Leeds were rioting in 1974 in Europe , big time , luckily nobody was killed

This is one of the most self-contradictory posts I've seen in while even from you.
you begin by saying it was not the fans fault and then go on to demonstrate how the behaviour of fans all over UK was a precursor to the undoubted tragedy Make your mind up.

[Jordi Culé]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/26/hillsborough-disaster-deadly-mistakes-and-lies-that-lasted-decades

I’ll leave this here.

[the other bob wilson]

The "time to move on" line is a particularly feeble argument whenever it is applied, whether it be Tories trying to brush what happened last year with Covid under the carpet or the same old names on here who have trouble accepting that the Sun's version of events that afternoon has been proved to be palpably untrue.

[William Treseder]

The "time to move on" line is a particularly feeble argument whenever it is applied, whether it be Tories trying to brush what happened last year with Covid under the carpet or the same old names on here who have trouble accepting that the Sun's version of events that afternoon has been proved to be palpably untrue.

“The same old names on here” is also a particular feeble line.
I don’t think anyone i’ve ever spoke to about this has denied that the police made mistakes and disgustingly tried to lie their way out of it. Thats a given.
What annoys me is that nobody seems willing to take into account that there were Liverpool fans without tickets who ran in, and the fact that the fences would not have needed to be up if it wasn’t for the disgusting behaviour of thousands of hooligan scum around in that era.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/26/hillsborough-disaster-deadly-mistakes-and-lies-that-lasted-decades

I’ll leave this here.

Well if the copper in charge that day admitted his serious failures led DIRECTLY to the deaths of 96 fans and the disability and long term health problems of hundreds of others thats a fair cop , as they say

A lack of special trains that day , poor planning by the police , poor communication between the emergency services , Liverpool fans being given the smaller end despite having huge support etc

Yet football fans of a certain type cannot let go of this yeah but what about the ticket less fans nonsense which was dismissed out of hand as untrue by justice Taylor

I don't know why they persist with such ill informed and incorrect opinion

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Of course they died because of the fences.If they weren’t there, they would have survived. The combination of police mistakes, fans trying to get in without tickets, and the presence of fences, was the lethal cocktail.
Some folk just wont accept that fact.
The police trying to cover up the part they played is and was disgraceful, but they were not alone in the blame department.

Well the fact is lord justice Taylor dismissed the fans turning up without tickets argument as totally untrue and laid the blame fairly and squarely on the police and the football authorities

He was a high court judge

I know who my money is on

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

We know the police made mistakes, and they wrongly attempted to cover them up

Lets not forget the Liverpool fans knew that if they arrived en masse ( with or without tickets ) over loaded the turnstiles the Police would open the gates to let them all in ( the Liverpool fans were well known for it, yes other teams had done in, i know we did at Hereford in the early 90's, they just opened the emergency gates and we filled the front paddock )

any death at football is one too many, the time for Justice is gone, the police who made the decisions are now a long time gone, of course they want justice and deserve it, but what does justice look like now ? ? ?

horse shit

The Taylor report dismissed the claim by the police that ticketless Liverpool fans were to blame as totally without foundation

The time for justice for you might be gone but for the relatives of the dead and seriously injured it may never end and I think that's for them to decide

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

How many were crushed to death in the tunnel ?
Can you show me where you got this from?

The Taylor Report

Fans died in the tunnel in the suge to get in , fans died in the entrance to the leppings lane and fans died in the enclosure .

The horrific photos of people up against the fences was only part of the disaster

My mate who was seriously injured was passed over the crowd to the emergency services and was nowhere near the fences

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

This is one of the most self-contradictory posts I've seen in while even from you.
you begin by saying it was not the fans fault and then go on to demonstrate how the behaviour of fans all over UK was a precursor to the undoubted tragedy Make your mind up.

the behaviour of Liverpool fans on the day of the Hillsborough disaster , argued by people to be a cause of the disaster .....pissed up , no tickets , arriving late etc ........was found by lord justice Taylor to be incorrect

Yet still , with an agenda , some still go on about it

Was the behaviour of football fans in the seventies and eighties bad 👎......of course

Did the behaviour of Liverpool fans on that day cause the disaster ?

Not according to a Judicial enquiry

[Hilts]

I believe there had been an issue involving Spurs fans in the 81 semi at the same end and I think a turnstile opened then. This time only injuries including broken bones.

A major police cover up probably instigated at the highest level.

[the other bob wilson]

“The same old names on here” is also a particular feeble line.
I don’t think anyone i’ve ever spoke to about this has denied that the police made mistakes and disgustingly tried to lie their way out of it. Thats a given.
What annoys me is that nobody seems willing to take into account that there were Liverpool fans without tickets who ran in, and the fact that the fences would not have needed to be up if it wasn’t for the disgusting behaviour of thousands of hooligan scum around in that era.

I said the same old names because that’s what it is. Whenever the subject of Hillsborough comes up on here, there’s always a few who have to have a dig at the Liverpool fans - if you’re talking four years earlier at Heysel, there’s plenty of evidence to suggest Liverpool fans were culpable there, but what convincing evidence is there that the same applies at Hillsborough? For some, the line seems to be that they were guilty at Heysel,so they must have done something wrong at Hillsborough.

As for fences, yes it’s an indictment on so many who went to games in the seventies that it came to a situation when fences were needed, but they’d been a part of the game for more than a decade when the tragedy at Hillsborough occurred which only makes the decisions made by those in charge that day even worse.

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

my mate was squashed at Hillsborough..made a statement to the police..months later he saw his statement..it had been changed.. by the police..

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

my mate was squashed at Hillsborough..made a statement to the police..months later he saw his statement..it had been changed.. by the police..

The police wouldn't do that .......

[Talksport]

Having lived in Liverpool whilst a student, I can advise that their fans are horrible. It is never their fault for Heysel or Hillsborough. When things go wrong for their team, they moan more way than any other supporters. If they had behaved themselves, then my opinion is that there would have been little or no bereavements at aforementioned stadiums. It was mainly the bad behaviour of Liverpool fans that caused English clubs to be banned from European tournaments for a number of years.

Spot on SB. What gets me is that they forever go on about remembering 'the 96'.
It was 36 years yesterday the anniversary of Hysel. The scummy tw@ts sweep it under the carpet every year. Why don't they want to ever remember 'the 39'.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Spot on SB. What gets me is that they forever go on about remembering 'the 96'.
It was 36 years yesterday the anniversary of Hysel. The scummy tw@ts sweep it under the carpet every year. Why don't they want to ever remember 'the 39'.

No they go on about JUSTICE for the 96

Which they have never got

Those killed at Hysel ?

Liverpool fans went to prison for that and rightly so

You don't have a lot going on upstairs do you ?

[Helen Wiggy]

No they go on about JUSTICE for the 96

Which they have never got

Those killed at Hysel ?

Liverpool fans went to prison for that and rightly so

You don't have a lot going on upstairs do you ?

I agree. This isn't the right place to try to blame fans of a football team you don't happen to like. The case and outcomes go beyond Liverpool FC and also beyond football in general. This is about the police and the powers-that-be evading justice.