View Full Version : Cardiff contact police over derby day 'issues of concern'
Michael Morris
20-10-21, 17:45
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58986108
Cardiff City have contacted South Wales Police over "issues of concern" following the derby with Swansea City.
Cardiff have also been in touch with Swansea and the EFL over incidents which occurred at last Sunday's game.
The Bluebirds are unhappy with Swansea's celebrations, and say their directors were abused.
"We can confirm that we are in dialogue with Swansea City, South Wales Police and the EFL over a number of issues of concern," a Cardiff spokesperson said.
BBC Wales understands Cardiff's chief complaint is over the 'swim away' celebrations performed by a number of Swansea players - including man-of-the-match Jamie Paterson - and head coach Russell Martin.
The swimming gesture is a reference to a clash between rival supporters following a derby encounter at the Swans' former Vetch Field home in the late 1980s.
Cardiff, who were beaten 3-0, feel the gesture is highly provocative and threatens to escalate tensions between the two sets of fans.
Cardiff are also unhappy that shots of manager Mick McCarthy followed immediately by chief executive Ken Choo and director Steve Borley were shown on the big screen at the Swansea.com Stadium.
They say that led to Choo and Borley being verbally abused by home fans and feel Swansea should not have allowed the images to be shown.
EFL rules say shots of "the area of the trainers' bench" should not be shown on big screens but there are no regulations regarding directors' boxes.
"Swansea City can confirm that the club is in dialogue with Cardiff City, South Wales Police and the EFL over events that took place during and after Sunday's game at the Swansea.com Stadium," a Swans spokesperson said.
"Discussions will also take place within the club across all departments as a matter of process, as they do after every event that we host."
South Wales Police have been asked to comment.
The EFL has not commented, while it is understood the Football Association (FA) is looking into the 'swim away' gestures.
In 2013, then Swansea midfielder Jonjo Shelvey was reminded of his responsibilities by the FA after making the gesture during a Premier League game at Cardiff.
The only answer to this small minded nonsense is to stuff them off the park. If only…..
Cleve van Leef
20-10-21, 18:02
What a load of ………………..cks.
They ought to sort the Club out first before crying to others.
the other bob wilson
20-10-21, 18:09
What a load of ………………..cks.
They ought to sort the Club out first before crying to others.
:thumbup:
UNDERHILL1927
20-10-21, 18:32
It's a derby, stop being so precious
So our club have turned into snowflakes
What a load of ………………..cks.
They ought to sort the Club out first before crying to others.
Totally agree!
Not content to embarrass us on the field they're embarrassing us with non issues now. The sooner they pack their bags, the better.
Totally agree!
Not content to embarrass us on the field they're embarrassing us with non issues now. The sooner they pack their bags, the better.
It’s like there is no connection at all between the football club and it’s fans
Totally agree!
Not content to embarrass us on the field they're embarrassing us with non issues now. The sooner they pack their bags, the better.
The only thing that is embarrassing ‘us’ is people like you with comments like that. You are obviously condoning provocative gestures by players and abuse of directors. No doubt you thought Alan Tate and Lee Trundles actions with the flag some years ago was also fine and that the fans who make the aeroplane gestures about Sala’s death are just having ‘a bit of banter’.
The only thing that is embarrassing ‘us’ is people like you with comments like that. You are obviously condoning provocative gestures by players and abuse of directors. No doubt you thought Alan Tate and Lee Trundles actions with the flag some years ago was also fine and that the fans who make the aeroplane gestures about Sala’s death are just having ‘a bit of banter’.
Grow up you pompous prick. You're the biggest clown and thicko on this site.
The only thing that is embarrassing ‘us’ is people like you with comments like that. You are obviously condoning provocative gestures by players and abuse of directors. No doubt you thought Alan Tate and Lee Trundles actions with the flag some years ago was also fine and that the fans who make the aeroplane gestures about Sala’s death are just having ‘a bit of banter’.
The flag thing was fine, a dick move but ultimately harmless. I draw the line at the aeroplane gestures though, same as the gas noises some of our idiots make
Splott-light...
20-10-21, 20:51
as for the 'swim away' let them have their fun, without these little gestures from a long gone era where is the impetus for any kind of atmosphere or rivalry, let's not become a club of easily offended whiners, please..
splott parker
20-10-21, 21:08
Bit rich isn’t it, our lot offended by a bit of name calling and a daft front crawl while some of our idiots are singing a song stating that Swansea fans were buggered by their dads when they were kids. Pot, kettle, black eh! Put our house in order before holding your hands up in horror.
CF23 Bluebird
20-10-21, 21:20
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58986108
Cardiff City have contacted South Wales Police over "issues of concern" following the derby with Swansea City.
Cardiff have also been in touch with Swansea and the EFL over incidents which occurred at last Sunday's game.
The Bluebirds are unhappy with Swansea's celebrations, and say their directors were abused.
"We can confirm that we are in dialogue with Swansea City, South Wales Police and the EFL over a number of issues of concern," a Cardiff spokesperson said.
BBC Wales understands Cardiff's chief complaint is over the 'swim away' celebrations performed by a number of Swansea players - including man-of-the-match Jamie Paterson - and head coach Russell Martin.
The swimming gesture is a reference to a clash between rival supporters following a derby encounter at the Swans' former Vetch Field home in the late 1980s.
Cardiff, who were beaten 3-0, feel the gesture is highly provocative and threatens to escalate tensions between the two sets of fans.
Cardiff are also unhappy that shots of manager Mick McCarthy followed immediately by chief executive Ken Choo and director Steve Borley were shown on the big screen at the Swansea.com Stadium.
They say that led to Choo and Borley being verbally abused by home fans and feel Swansea should not have allowed the images to be shown.
EFL rules say shots of "the area of the trainers' bench" should not be shown on big screens but there are no regulations regarding directors' boxes.
"Swansea City can confirm that the club is in dialogue with Cardiff City, South Wales Police and the EFL over events that took place during and after Sunday's game at the Swansea.com Stadium," a Swans spokesperson said.
"Discussions will also take place within the club across all departments as a matter of process, as they do after every event that we host."
South Wales Police have been asked to comment.
The EFL has not commented, while it is understood the Football Association (FA) is looking into the 'swim away' gestures.
In 2013, then Swansea midfielder Jonjo Shelvey was reminded of his responsibilities by the FA after making the gesture during a Premier League game at Cardiff.
As if the players didn't embarress us enough on Sunday, we then go and do this! When Mitrovic did the ayatollah when Fulham beat them he was a hero. If you can't take it don't give it.
Jimmy the Jock
20-10-21, 21:25
The flag thing was fine, a dick move but ultimately harmless. I draw the line at the aeroplane gestures though, same as the gas noises some of our idiots make
Quite rightly you will get arrested for making aeroplane gestures.
The rest ... FFS ...leave it out
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
20-10-21, 21:29
Just the board complaining isn't it? Or was it the fans groups? Besides, football folk (including fans) have long taken on the demeanour of a wounded Victorian matriarch.
Just the board complaining isn't it? .
Its just the Club, which is not outrageous in itself, I am sure if we ( naughty Cardiff fans ) started to chant " gas a Jack " or made horse noises again, the Jacks would issue a complaint
Divine Wright
20-10-21, 21:44
I would genuinely be embarrassed to have some of the fans they have. White supremacists and UJ wavers, nazi salutes , bnp bollocks.
Funny how they aspire to a dignified football philosophy on the pitch yet have some of the most backward thinking fans going.
I might sound bitter but that stuff would really get to me if it were as prevalent among our fanbase as it is amongst theirs. It’s not a good look.
…swim away is infantile. The ayatollah is much more positive and looks better on the tv despite the fact it means nothing.
dembethewarrior
20-10-21, 22:43
I can understand this sort of thing between fans, but I don't understand the players doing it.
Doesn't the whole incident come from football violence years ago? Fan banter it will always be, if it was the other way round we'd do the same etc, but why is it such a big thing at the club that even the players are in on it?
I never get worked up over this sort of thing, it's the usual banter etc but find it strange that their players celebrate like this, ain't the first time is it?
Croesy Blue
20-10-21, 23:08
Its just the Club, which is not outrageous in itself, I am sure if we ( naughty Cardiff fans ) started to chant " gas a Jack " or made horse noises again, the Jacks would issue a complaint
How are they at all comparable with the swim away?
This his harmless bollocks while those are about people dying.
SLUDGE FACTORY
21-10-21, 07:29
Complete joke of a club
Meanwhile action promised over the abusive child abuse song aimed at Swansea?
Nothing
Jokers
life on mars
21-10-21, 07:49
How are they at all comparable with the swim away?
This his harmless bollocks while those are about people dying.
Indeed
How are they at all comparable with the swim away?
This his harmless bollocks while those are about people dying.
The point is, its easy for clubs to find reasons to issue complaints about other teams
the swim away thing could well be harmless to most of us ( It doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I see it as Football banter ) but we know it is done to wind up / be provocative / incite our fans, thats the whole purpose of it, we know that ( and I am sure you do ), so when the club complain about " feel the gesture is highly provocative and threatens to escalate tensions between the two sets of fans. " they are right, thats the purpose of it, just as the examples I have given were to wind up / provocative / incite the Jacks, just as Southampton fans did the aeroplane, the list goes on, they are all done for the same purpose and chosen to have maximum effect
The point is, its easy for clubs to find reasons to issue complaints about other teams
the swim away thing could well be harmless to most of us ( It doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I see it as Football banter ) but we know it is done to wind up / be provocative / incite our fans, thats the whole purpose of it, we know that ( and I am sure you do ), so when the club complain about " feel the gesture is highly provocative and threatens to escalate tensions between the two sets of fans. " they are right, thats the purpose of it, just as the examples I have given were to wind up / provocative / incite the Jacks, just as Southampton fans did the aeroplane, the list goes on, they are all done for the same purpose and chosen to have maximum effect
I’m sure those 20 or so youngsters from port Talbot who are about 50 now, who got chased into the sea that night and pelted with pebbles by about 80 jacks are deeply disturbed by it still:hehe: I find it funny as I was at that game and as about 500 of us walked back to the station those jacks wouldn’t come anywhere near us (even the swansea police were laughing at them) just went off looking for stragglers which they found in due course. Let them celebrate it
Grow up you pompous prick. You're the biggest clown and thicko on this site.
Whereas you have no idea about the difference between what is right and wrong. Presumably because you enjoy being actively involved in the wrong side of things.
I’m sure those 20 or so youngsters from port Talbot who are about 50 now, who got chased into the sea that night and pelted with pebbles by about 80 jacks are deeply disturbed by it still:hehe: I find it funny as I was at that game and as about 500 of us walked back to the station those jacks wouldn’t come anywhere near us (even the swansea police were laughing at them) just went off looking for stragglers which they found in due course. Let them celebrate it
So, acts of violence between fans is funny ? Presumably you and a few others were laughing your socks off as Millwall fans (and Swansea fans on other occasions) ripped up Ninian Park and threw seats and other debris into groups of people including women and children ? Anyone celebrating acts of violence of any kind is as bad as the people committing it and sick in the head.
Nobody's Rep
21-10-21, 08:24
I can understand this sort of thing between fans, but I don't understand the players doing it.
Doesn't the whole incident come from football violence years ago? Fan banter it will always be, if it was the other way round we'd do the same etc, but why is it such a big thing at the club that even the players are in on it?
I never get worked up over this sort of thing, it's the usual banter etc but find it strange that their players celebrate like this, ain't the first time is it?
The reality is players, are generally thick as and while at clubs want to endear themselves to fans until of course they feck off for a pay cheque elsewhere
It's a bit small time and cringey for the Jack's players and particularly the coaching staff to get involved in the swim away. In my opinion of course.
But.... At least they care, they get up for it, they understand what a derby is.
I'd rather our club put this much effort into other areas.
Cleve van Leef
21-10-21, 09:05
So, acts of violence between fans is funny ? Presumably you and a few others were laughing your socks off as Millwall fans (and Swansea fans on other occasions) ripped up Ninian Park and threw seats and other debris into groups of people including women and children ? Anyone celebrating acts of violence of any kind is as bad as the people committing it and sick in the head.
City fans in that period were angels? If you’re going to cite other Clubs actions don’t forget those of “so called” City fans. Any violence is certainly not “funny”.
Croesy Blue
21-10-21, 09:06
The point is, its easy for clubs to find reasons to issue complaints about other teams
the swim away thing could well be harmless to most of us ( It doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I see it as Football banter ) but we know it is done to wind up / be provocative / incite our fans, thats the whole purpose of it, we know that ( and I am sure you do ), so when the club complain about " feel the gesture is highly provocative and threatens to escalate tensions between the two sets of fans. " they are right, thats the purpose of it, just as the examples I have given were to wind up / provocative / incite the Jacks, just as Southampton fans did the aeroplane, the list goes on, they are all done for the same purpose and chosen to have maximum effect
Couldn’t it be said that almost everything is meant to provoke the other fans?
It doesn’t mean everything is fine, ie gas noises etc. should rightly be condemned.
And it also means the board members complaining about this are a bunch of fannies.
Croesy Blue
21-10-21, 09:08
The only thing that is embarrassing ‘us’ is people like you with comments like that. You are obviously condoning provocative gestures by players and abuse of directors. No doubt you thought Alan Tate and Lee Trundles actions with the flag some years ago was also fine and that the fans who make the aeroplane gestures about Sala’s death are just having ‘a bit of banter’.
The fact you try and equate that to the sala stuff shows how utterly biased you are. It’s why it’s pointless discussing it with you.
If the situation was exactly the same but reversed you’d be the first to call the Swansea board pathetic.
SLUDGE FACTORY
21-10-21, 09:26
Swim away is about a punch up between Swansea and Port Talbot City fans
The sala aeroplane gesture , gas a jack , trampled by a horse etc , child abuse etc , totally different level
So, acts of violence between fans is funny ? Presumably you and a few others were laughing your socks off as Millwall fans (and Swansea fans on other occasions) ripped up Ninian Park and threw seats and other debris into groups of people including women and children ? Anyone celebrating acts of violence of any kind is as bad as the people committing it and sick in the head.
It makes them look like c unts every time so let them carry on….is what I’m alluding too and as for the flag thing, wow that was one of the most cringeworthy things I’ve ever seen. It made them look tiny, bitter and pathetic. Which they are.
I have always found it a bit unprofessional when players/managers get involved in this sort of thing.
I suppose it gets the new manager who has been there a couple of months into the fan’s good books, but does he really want to be glorifying a fight between 2 sets of supporters. Especially in fixture with such a history of trouble.
He knows if he does it he'll be loved by their supporters.
It's a bit embarrassing to see a player do it with what it represents but ultimately who cares.
Us moaning and whining about it puts the icing on the cake of a 3-0 win for them and is also extremely embarrassing and makes the club look a bit pathetic
This thread is very illuminating, particularly about some of the people posting on it. They castigate the club for its perceived lack of action over a vile chant made by its supporters, whilst at the same time laughing at and thereby condoning, random acts of violence (or the glorification of such) which could maim or even kill people. As far as I know someone cant be maimed or killed by listening to the words of a football chant or song. I may be a ‘pompous thicko’ as one of you so nicely put it but I would rather be that than a sick moron who obviously yearns for the return of the ‘good old days’ when people used to be randomly beaten up for no reason other than they looked like they could be supporter of a rival team or just even from the same town/city.
City fans in that period were angels? If you’re going to cite other Clubs actions don’t forget those of “so called” City fans. Any violence is certainly not “funny”.
Tell that to the people who are ‘laughing off’ the swimming gestures. I agree about City fans actions as well and if this was the other way around I would be saying the same thing. How would people react if one of our players celebrated a goal by putting a horses head on and running around in front of the Swansea fans - laugh it off ?
life on mars
21-10-21, 10:55
This thread is very illuminating, particularly about some of the people posting on it. They castigate the club for its perceived lack of action over a vile chant made by its supporters, whilst at the same time laughing at and thereby condoning, random acts of violence (or the glorification of such) which could maim or even kill people. As far as I know someone cant be maimed or killed by listening to the words of a football chant or song. I may be a ‘pompous thicko’ as one of you so nicely put it but I would rather be that than a sick moron who obviously yearns for the return of the ‘good old days’ when people used to be randomly beaten up for no reason other than they looked like they could be supporter of a rival team or just even from the same town/city.
Perhaps there are some past embarrassment afoot for the now elders and wiser CCMB members .
My experiences of City games were that a shout , rant ,ruck , back in the day that was a very attractive event the more more notorious opposition crews the better and dare I suggest it actually attracted a lot of younger lads to the game who are now still there but a little wiser . Before many away / home games one would openly discuss the anticipated wind up songs ,rucks /clashes instead of football .
As a football board we have matured I guess ?
Tell that to the people who are ‘laughing off’ the swimming gestures. I agree about City fans actions as well and if this was the other way around I would be saying the same thing. How would people react if one of our players celebrated a goal by putting a horses head on and running around in front of the Swansea fans - laugh it off ?
Again, no one died on the beach in Swansea that night. They got their trousers wet. You're equating someone dying with a few boys getting chased. It's offensive.
This thread is very illuminating, particularly about some of the people posting on it. They castigate the club for its perceived lack of action over a vile chant made by its supporters, whilst at the same time laughing at and thereby condoning, random acts of violence (or the glorification of such) which could maim or even kill people. As far as I know someone cant be maimed or killed by listening to the words of a football chant or song. I may be a ‘pompous thicko’ as one of you so nicely put it but I would rather be that than a sick moron who obviously yearns for the return of the ‘good old days’ when people used to be randomly beaten up for no reason other than they looked like they could be supporter of a rival team or just even from the same town/city.
God you're dramatic, how does some of us saying to laugh off a player doing the swim away in 2021 equate to "a sick moron who obviously yearns for the return of the ‘good old days’ when people used to be randomly beaten up for no reason other than they looked like they could be supporter of a rival team or just even from the same town/city."
Same as your "what if" about putting the horses head on and running around, it's completely different and if you can't see that then I worry about you
The board members were clearly concerned that SCFC put themselves at risk by deliberately identifying them in a volatile moment. It led to abuse - how bad and how close to them? We don't know. They threw in the swim away stuff to add weight to their grievance against the 'professional' side of SCFC no doubt. They may pride themselves on their Barca style football but they are nothing more than a tin pot outfit.
Couldn’t it be said that almost everything is meant to provoke the other fans?
It doesn’t mean everything is fine, ie gas noises etc. should rightly be condemned.
And it also means the board members complaining about this are a bunch of fannies.
so Gas noises are to be condemned :thumbup:, yet a action to celebrate a famous hooligan act of violence ( in the Jacks eyes ) and one the Club ( Swansea players and Officials ) knows will wind up / be provoke / incite our fans shouldn't be ? ? ? Football has moved on I am afraid
Again, no one died on the beach in Swansea that night. They got their trousers wet. You're equating someone dying with a few boys getting chased. It's offensive.
He appears a bit detached from our fan base, maybe he is mehmet Dalman after all:hehe:
The Lone Gunman
21-10-21, 13:08
God you're dramatic.....
Go easy on him. As a staunch supporter of Messrs Tan, Dalman, Choo and McCarthy, dml1954's been having a torrid time of it in recent weeks while the awesome foursome has guided the club to its worst set of results since the early-Thirties.
His modus operandi on this message board is to attack anybody who dares to think differently about the football club's hierarchy than him, but that's tough going at present. Under the current circumstances, his blind devotion to the owner, the board and the manager is making him look more foolish than ever before, so he needs something else to grizzle about and he's found it in this thread.
:thumbup:
WJ99mobile
21-10-21, 13:20
Again, no one died on the beach in Swansea that night. They got their trousers wet. You're equating someone dying with a few boys getting chased. It's offensive.
Exactly
I'll agree it will incite violence, of course it will. But it's nowhere near as bad as chanting about some of the stuff that has gone on.
Croesy Blue
21-10-21, 13:56
so Gas noises are to be condemned :thumbup:, yet a action to celebrate a famous hooligan act of violence ( in the Jacks eyes ) and one the Club ( Swansea players and Officials ) knows will wind up / be provoke / incite our fans shouldn't be ? ? ? Football has moved on I am afraid
Yeah exactly, anyone getting wound up by a swimming motion because some lads got chased into the sea by another group of lads needs to grow up and stop being such a wimp.
People who think singing about someone dying is funny don’t need to grow up.
Do you get wound up by the swim away?
Croesy Blue
21-10-21, 13:57
Exactly
I'll agree it will incite violence, of course it will. But it's nowhere near as bad as chanting about some of the stuff that has gone on.
If will incite violence in people who are looking for an excuse to be violent.
Go easy on him. As a staunch supporter of Messrs Tan, Dalman, Choo and McCarthy, dml1954's been having a torrid time of it in recent weeks while the awesome foursome has guided the club to its worst set of results since the early-Thirties.
His modus operandi on this message board is to attack anybody who dares to think differently about the football club's hierarchy than him, but that's tough going at present. Under the current circumstances, his blind devotion to the owner, the board and the manager is making him look more foolish than ever before, so he needs something else to grizzle about and he's found it in this thread.
:thumbup:
He is Dalman Mehmet London after all so maybe we should feel sorry for him rather than give him a good Chooing. He'll get his arse Tanned if he doesn't continually worship the Dictator.
If will incite violence in people who are looking for an excuse to be violent.
Both sets of fans are kept apart before during and after the game around the stadium. If you're the type of person to get in a ruck with the opposing fans team hours after the match then I suggest you were probably keen to do that anyway
dembethewarrior
22-10-21, 22:49
The reality is players, are generally thick as and while at clubs want to endear themselves to fans until of course they feck off for a pay cheque elsewhere
Fair enough
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