View Full Version : Another ridiculous VAR decision
Michael Morris
28-12-21, 16:23
Harry Kane's effort ruled out because his shirt sleeve was offside.
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alan_corneli
28-12-21, 16:51
I don't know if it's just my telly, the quality of the picture is dreadful. I'd be really p*ssed if I had to pay for it.
Harry Kane's effort ruled out because his shirt sleeve was offside.
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Dreadful decision but couldn't happen to someone more deserving
alan_corneli
28-12-21, 16:58
Ditto
I think it's unfair to compare different parts of the players involved. Just use the feet.
Michael Morris
28-12-21, 17:00
I don't know if it's just my telly, the quality of the picture is dreadful. I'd be really p*ssed if I had to pay for it.
Looks fine on mine. Best I've seen on Amazon actually.
FT: Saints 1 - 1 Spurs. Spurs should have had their goal allowed by bloody hell they had more than enough chances to score a bundle.
Other scores. Palace 3-0 Norwich. Watford 1 - 4 West Ham
Leicester v Liverpool at 8pm
Norwich 10 pts, Newcastle 11pts. We were never that bad as far as points gained at the halfway point of the season were we?
the other bob wilson
28-12-21, 17:04
I think it's unfair to compare different parts of the players involved. Just use the feet.
Agreed.
Harry Kane's effort ruled out because his shirt sleeve was offside.
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I can't see how they can say that was offside.
It's not VAR. It's the offside rule. It has to be changed.
Eric the Half a Bee
29-12-21, 08:49
Norwich 10 pts, Newcastle 11pts. We were never that bad as far as points gained at the halfway point of the season were we?
We were 17th with 15 points (4 wins, 3 draws), scored 18, conceded 38.
Interesting how the bottom 3 have won 4 games between them so far this season, in 2018/19 it was 7.
Citizen's Nephew
29-12-21, 08:56
It's not VAR. It's the offside rule. It has to be changed.
This.
We were 17th with 15 points (4 wins, 3 draws), scored 18, conceded 38.
Interesting how the bottom 3 have won 4 games between them so far this season, in 2018/19 it was 7.
Always surprises me just how bad that Derby team were, Norwich have been absolutely terrible but they've already got more points than them
Thing that confuses me is that they draw lines and try to make it an exact science but they can't possibly know the very specific moment the ball was struck can they? 100th of a second earlier or later and maybe his sleeve is onside.
Personally I'd rather if they have to draw lines and bring out the magnifying glass, they just give the advantage to the attacking team.
Can't see how you can tell from that camera angle anyway. Miles off from looking down the line
Looks fine on mine. Best I've seen on Amazon actually.
Norwich 10 pts, Newcastle 11pts. We were never that bad as far as points gained at the halfway point of the season were we?
What concerns me is that Norwich won the Championship at a canter last season yet cannot compete in The Prem. Is the gap widening?
Why isn't the line parallel with the pitch grassy line?
What concerns me is that Norwich won the Championship at a canter last season yet cannot compete in The Prem. Is the gap widening?
Brentford are doing fine and Watford aren't terrible, Norwich are just odd
What concerns me is that Norwich won the Championship at a canter last season yet cannot compete in The Prem. Is the gap widening?
I didn't think that Norwich were as good as some thought they were and i said as much when they beat us at their place, in my opinion we made it easy for them, although i'm not saying that we would have won the game if we had pressed a bit higher.
Why isn't the line parallel with the pitch grassy line?
Grounsmen had a few beers before getting the mowers out
It's not VAR. It's the offside rule. It has to be changed.
Agreed, Although Harry Kane, like all footballers uses his arms for balance, movement and shaping his body when he is about to make his move. It does seem harsh, but i don't think it is as bad as some people think it is.
splott parker
29-12-21, 21:12
A similar situation tonight, Foden’s goal given though.
Agreed, Although Harry Kane, like all footballers uses his arms for balance, movement and shaping his body when he is about to make his move. It does seem harsh, but i don't think it is as bad as some people think it is.
The thing is for me is that it was about being level and the attacker was always supposed to get the advantage or at least the benefit of the doubt. And then there's the whole clear and obvious thing. For an attacker's feet to be level and his shoulder or hand or shirt sleeve to be deemed in front just seems like taking it to extremes. If you can't look at a replay without drawing several lines and decide whether or not a player is offside then he shouldn't be offside. It goes the other way too. Give some power back to the linesman.
The thing is for me is that it was about being level and the attacker was always supposed to get the advantage or at least the benefit of the doubt. And then there's the whole clear and obvious thing. For an attacker's feet to be level and his shoulder or hand or shirt sleeve to be deemed in front just seems like taking it to extremes. If you can't look at a replay without drawing several lines and decide whether or not a player is offside then he shouldn't be offside. It goes the other way too. Give some power back to the linesman.
Completely with you. I don't like it, although pundits, fans, football officials etc were calling for it quite vociferously and officials were getting battered over the tiniest of mistakes. Maybe if people hadn't been so reactionary and saw the game for what it is then we would not have this technology in place. It's as much as a safety net for officials as it is an indicator for the officials.
By the letter of the law, Kane is offside, the officials have done their job, and it seems that's what plenty of supporters wanted when things didn't go their way.
I preferred the old rules, I preferred mistakes by players and officials, you win some, you lose some.
Completely with you. I don't like it, although pundits, fans, football officials etc were calling for it quite vociferously and officials were getting battered over the tiniest of mistakes. Maybe if people hadn't been so reactionary and saw the game for what it is then we would not have this technology in place. It's as much as a safety net for officials as it is an indicator for the officials.
By the letter of the law, Kane is offside, the officials have done their job, and it seems that's what plenty of supporters wanted when things didn't go their way.
I preferred the old rules, I preferred mistakes by players and officials, you win some, you lose some.
Absolutely. Goal line technology was fine, but I was against var all along. It's improved, it seems we were getting this every week at one point, but it's fixing a problem that wasn't really there.
If pundits had analysed a game instead of taking the easy way out and talked about the ref, we wouldn't be here.
Absolutely. Goal line technology was fine, but I was against var all along. It's improved, it seems we were getting this every week at one point, but it's fixing a problem that wasn't really there.
If pundits had analysed a game instead of taking the easy way out and talked about the ref, we wouldn't be here.
The thing that gets me about pundits, ex players etc is that they've played the game, they know how these things work, they even out, and they also know that it's excuse making. They would be drilled from an early age to know that they shouldn't give a referee or an opponent the opportunity to get one over on them, if they get themselves in a shit position then it's their fault, not the officials. They're high end professionals, they know the score.
This might have been said in this thread but the easy fix is setting the offside line by the player's foot and nothing else , that would stop the most ridiculous and contentious decisions immediately
The thing that gets me about pundits, ex players etc is that they've played the game, they know how these things work, they even out, and they also know that it's excuse making. They would be drilled from an early age to know that they shouldn't give a referee or an opponent the opportunity to get one over on them, if they get themselves in a shit position then it's their fault, not the officials. They're high end professionals, they know the score.
Oh yeah, they're definitely not letting any secrets slip out. When you read the Secret Footballer, although you have to take it with a pinch of salt, it's far removed from punditworld.
This might have been said in this thread but the easy fix is setting the offside line by the player's foot and nothing else , that would stop the most ridiculous and contentious decisions immediately
It wasn't contentious though, it's the rules, it's what many people were calling for, black or white and nothing in between. He was offside according to the rules.
A Quiet Monkfish
30-12-21, 18:00
It wasn't contentious though, it's the rules, it's what many people were calling for, black or white and nothing in between. He was offside according to the rules.
It's certainly what the TV companies were calling for. For years whenever there was a contentious decision the commentator would invariably comment that onfield TV replies would put an end to wrong decisions. VAR is 'TV gold'..
It wasn't contentious though, it's the rules, it's what many people were calling for, black or white and nothing in between. He was offside according to the rules.
Ok what's contentious is that that is the rule
Absolutely. Goal line technology was fine, but I was against var all along. It's improved, it seems we were getting this every week at one point, but it's fixing a problem that wasn't really there.
If pundits had analysed a game instead of taking the easy way out and talked about the ref, we wouldn't be here.
I like VAR as a concept. It's its implementation I have a problem with and of course the offside law itself. I was hoping VAR would put an end to or at least slow down the proliferation of diving across the leagues. And I still don't understand why diving is not a straight red. Also, something needs to be done about players "creating" fouls by leaving a leg in. It's obvious what's going on. "Drawing" a foul is now something that is deemed commendable. I don't get it.
I like VAR as a concept. It's its implementation I have a problem with and of course the offside law itself. I was hoping VAR would put an end to or at least slow down the proliferation of diving across the leagues. And I still don't understand why diving is not a straight red. Also, something needs to be done about players "creating" fouls by leaving a leg in. It's obvious what's going on. "Drawing" a foul is now something that is deemed commendable. I don't get it.
Drawing a foul doesn't belong on football- only really ever associated it with basketball before.
Ex-Strikers will say that the player was entitled go down as there was contact. Bollocks.
Drawing a foul doesn't belong on football- only really ever associated it with basketball before.
Ex-Strikers will say that the player was entitled go down as there was contact. Bollocks.
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Bollocks indeed.
Now THAT was some VAR bullshit.
ninian opinian
01-01-22, 13:51
Now THAT was some VAR bullshit.
Definite penalty to Man City. He put his leg out and then pulled his shirt. Now a stupid sending off. It’s all gone Pete Tong in 5 minutes for Arsenal.
Now THAT was some VAR bullshit.
100% penalty, he stuck his leg out AND pulled his shirt. Imagine that not being given for us
How can it be 100% a penalty if there's a blatant dive? Bernardo lost control of the ball, gave up and just threw himself to the ground.
William Treseder
01-01-22, 14:13
100% penalty, he stuck his leg out AND pulled his shirt. Imagine that not being given for us
You missed out the 10/10 swallow dive at the end.
Drawing a foul doesn't belong on football- only really ever associated it with basketball before.
Ex-Strikers will say that the player was entitled go down as there was contact. Bollocks.
I do think that a bit of Professional deception is fair game. I've always been of the opinion that if a striker (whose job is much more difficult than a defender) can put the defender in a bad position and exploit it, then fair enough. Most professional footballers will know if they've been done, and i'm sure that defenders do the same thing in order to gain an advantage. I get why people don't like it, but sometimes it's just clever play in my opinion.
How can it be 100% a penalty if there's a blatant dive? Bernardo lost control of the ball, gave up and just threw himself to the ground.
With his shirt getting pulled and the defender's leg across him, it's a penalty every single time
splott parker
01-01-22, 14:28
You missed out the 10/10 swallow dive at the end.
He’d have hit the floor a lot quicker if the Arsenal player hadn’t have had about £35 worth of blue shirt in his hand. Definite pen and there’s a lot not given for shirt pulling, anywhere else on the pitch a shirt tug is a free kick.
splott parker
01-01-22, 14:35
How can it be 100% a penalty if there's a blatant dive? Bernardo lost control of the ball, gave up and just threw himself to the ground.
We had a pelanty rightly given at West Brom a few seasons back when their ‘keeper hit Chopra, the ball was near the dug outs at the time. The location of the ball has nothing to do with it, you kick someone, punch someone, pull their shirt whatever, it’s an offence. Daft challenge by the Arsenal player today and the shirt tug was more ammunition for the penalty decision.
William Treseder
01-01-22, 14:47
He’d have hit the floor a lot quicker if the Arsenal player hadn’t have had about £35 worth of blue shirt in his hand. Definite pen and there’s a lot not given for shirt pulling, anywhere else on the pitch a shirt tug is a free kick.
It’s all bollox mate. Arsenal should have had a pen in the 1st half. Inconsistency is still rife, even with VAR
splott parker
01-01-22, 15:15
It’s all bollox mate. Arsenal should have had a pen in the 1st half. Inconsistency is still rife, even with VAR
No doubt but this conversation was about Manchester’s penalty. Inconsistency is frustrating but if one mistake is made it shouldn’t follow that ‘We made a mistake on the Arsenal penalty decision so if Manchester get a stonewaller we won’t give it to even things up’.
I do think that a bit of Professional deception is fair game. I've always been of the opinion that if a striker (whose job is much more difficult than a defender) can put the defender in a bad position and exploit it, then fair enough. Most professional footballers will know if they've been done, and i'm sure that defenders do the same thing in order to gain an advantage. I get why people don't like it, but sometimes it's just clever play in my opinion.
I'm surprised you say that. Defending seems like a nightmare to me. You're trying to stop someone doing something, worrying about positioning etc. Getting the ball and trying to score, although very difficult seems much more natural to me. If you try to run into space and a defender tracks you, or anticipates your movement it's not your fault. If you get half a dozen chances and bag one of them you'll get away with it. Whereas if you're a defender if you're not just defending against a striker or even two, you're defending against the whole team. You have to guess everything. If you make the same ratio of mistakes over a whole game you're out.
We had a pelanty rightly given at West Brom a few seasons back when their ‘keeper hit Chopra, the ball was near the dug outs at the time. The location of the ball has nothing to do with it, you kick someone, punch someone, pull their shirt whatever, it’s an offence. Daft challenge by the Arsenal player today and the shirt tug was more ammunition for the penalty decision.
I understand that shirt pulling is an offence, but the ref didn't see it and the player was going down anyway. Can you imagine if every corner was reviewed by VAR? The ref may as well just award a penalty instead.
ninian opinian
01-01-22, 15:29
It’s all bollox mate. Arsenal should have had a pen in the 1st half. Inconsistency is still rife, even with VAR
Looks to me like the Arsenal player stood on the keepers ankle https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1477295466601717760?s=21
splott parker
01-01-22, 15:41
I understand that shirt pulling is an offence, but the ref didn't see it and the player was going down anyway. Can you imagine if every corner was reviewed by VAR? The ref may as well just award a penalty instead.
Exactly right, it’s something that’s annoyed me for ages re. Defenders actions at set pieces. Ref’s should be awarding pens when defenders start their shirt tugging shenanigans, you’d hope then that the message would hit home that it’s a foul. Does anyone remember that Liverpool defender Skrtel when playing against us at Anfield a few seasons back? Every corner was a physical assault on one of our lot yet nothing given, shocking, a foul is a foul, give it, give the pen. It does seem that the refs’ arses go when it occurs in the box yet anywhere else on the pitch they’re fussy as f*ck. Now that’s inconsistency.
I'm surprised you say that. Defending seems like a nightmare to me. You're trying to stop someone doing something, worrying about positioning etc. Getting the ball and trying to score, although very difficult seems much more natural to me. If you try to run into space and a defender tracks you, or anticipates your movement it's not your fault. If you get half a dozen chances and bag one of them you'll get away with it. Whereas if you're a defender if you're not just defending against a striker or even two, you're defending against the whole team. You have to guess everything. If you make the same ratio of mistakes over a whole game you're out.
I play at a low level obviously, but I find the few games a season when I'm at centre back much easier than the rest of the time in midfield or attack. I'm a poor tackler, but just reading the game and positioning yourself properly does most of the job for you.
Did Attwell book the Man City player when he scored and took his shirt off ??
Nothing came up on my screen
splott parker
01-01-22, 16:01
I play at a low level obviously, but I find the few games a season when I'm at centre back much easier than the rest of the time in midfield or attack. I'm a poor tackler, but just reading the game and positioning yourself properly does most of the job for you.
I played up front for years before dropping back to centre back when the years were catching up. Found it a lot easier playing at the back facing the goal we were attacking, albeit a fair way back, rather than playing with my back to goal, trying to flick it on or hold it up with someone breathing down my neck. The heading part of the game was much simpler as a defender, if the ball was launched forward it was a case of winning it in the air and heading it forward, more or less job done and a ‘well done’ from the lads. Playing up front it was a case of twisting your head in the air in an attempt to flick it on accurately to your co striker. If you headed it into touch or to one of their lot it was a case of ‘for f*ck’s sake’ from the lads. Much harder up front in my opinion.
I play at a low level obviously, but I find the few games a season when I'm at centre back much easier than the rest of the time in midfield or attack. I'm a poor tackler, but just reading the game and positioning yourself properly does most of the job for you.
Interesting. It just seems stressful to me. I used to play up front and it was all about having fun and scoring. I was pretty lazy, I didn't help out much. But I made a lot of runs and was decent in front of goal.
Did Attwell book the Man City player when he scored and took his shirt off ??
Nothing came up on my screen
He picked up a yellow card, I assume for that.
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