When is this spineless answer to Putin going to stop?

[pomeroy]

Now is the time to hit Russia with a strategic hammer blow. There is no point in negotiating with Putin and the only way a palace coup will take place will be if Russia is hit and hit hard. His coterie of sycophants will hopefully then topple him and make humanity and common sense prevail. NATO has overwhelming force of arms in every department. The sight of Macron sitting at the end of a 40ft. table having “peace talks” with Putin must rank as one of the most humiliating scenes in politics of modern times. If Putin wins then where does he stop because his perception of NATO is an organisation being both spineless and gutless. Ben Wallace, Defence Minister, epitomises this.
Lessons from history must be learned. The time for vigils, prayers, acceptance of refugees, clapping Ukrainian politicians, professing solidarity for Ukraine and the like is past. Putin doesn’t give a shit. It’s time to take some action and not just sanctions.!!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

There seems to be very little that can be done

In reality Ukraine is being fed to Putin in exchange for peace in Europe

It's a load of cack

[The Hooded Claw]

If NATO gets stuck in, then 💩tin will be able to say “I told ewe”, even though he started this thing.
The answer is first the Russian people to topple him, so the real war is the information one.

[ToTaL ITK]

There seems to be very little that can be done

In reality Ukraine is being fed to Putin in exchange for peace in Europe

It's a load of cack

Russians are tough...my arse...the internet is down and the banks have no money they cant buy anything and there's no footie....boo ****ing hoo

[Wales-Bales]

NATO is a defense organisation, so they can't initiate an attack another country. Any action would have to be taken outside of NATO as things stand.

[The Bloop]

NATO will look after their own. They won't get involved militarily unless Putin invades a NATO country. Then it's WWIII.
Sanctions are already starting to hurt Russia, but Putin cares more about lines on a map than the welfare of his own citizens.

[bobh]

Best option : his own cronies realise that he's unhinged and take him out.
Second best :Black ops take him out
Worst option, Nato fires a shot - Putin fires a nuke.

[Organ Morgan.]

This is a six-minute video of an English-speaking Russian who has an entirely different perspective on what's happening in Ukraine today and why. He also mentions uncomfortable reminders about all those freedom and democracy loving bombs that rained down on Libya, Serbia, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan by NATO and its member countries.

A Little insight into the "Russian invasion". Warning: This isn't mainstream. https://www.bitchute.com/video/GAH7af5xe3Qp/

[William Treseder]

So Nuclear weapons, whilst being touted as a deterrent, also allow crackpot Dictators to cold bloodily murder thousands of innocent people, and blow buildings to bits, and basically just get away with it, whilst the rest of the world looks on.
What a monster we’ve created!

[delmbox]

Now is the time to hit Russia with a strategic hammer blow. There is no point in negotiating with Putin and the only way a palace coup will take place will be if Russia is hit and hit hard. His coterie of sycophants will hopefully then topple him and make humanity and common sense prevail. NATO has overwhelming force of arms in every department. The sight of Macron sitting at the end of a 40ft. table having “peace talks” with Putin must rank as one of the most humiliating scenes in politics of modern times. If Putin wins then where does he stop because his perception of NATO is an organisation being both spineless and gutless. Ben Wallace, Defence Minister, epitomises this.
Lessons from history must be learned. The time for vigils, prayers, acceptance of refugees, clapping Ukrainian politicians, professing solidarity for Ukraine and the like is past. Putin doesn’t give a shit. It’s time to take some action and not just sanctions.!!!

what do you suggest?

[pomeroy]

what do you suggest?

My preferred option would be to inform Putin that unless hostilities cease by a certain time and date Moscow would be erased from the map. This is obviously not going to happen as unfortunately no Western leader comes close to JFK. At the least we should impose a no fly zone and make sure that no seaborne landings around Odessa are fruitless with the strongest appropriate defensive weapons put in place.

[jon1959]

NATO is a defense organisation, so they can't initiate an attack another country. Any action would have to be taken outside of NATO as things stand.

Bosnia, Afghanistan, Libya.....

The rhetoric is one thing - with Article 5 being an exception to the normal rule - the reality another.

[NYCBlue]

This is a six-minute video of an English-speaking Russian who has an entirely different perspective on what's happening in Ukraine today and why. He also mentions uncomfortable reminders about all those freedom and democracy loving bombs that rained down on Libya, Serbia, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan by NATO and its member countries.

A Little insight into the "Russian invasion". Warning: This isn't mainstream. https://www.bitchute.com/video/GAH7af5xe3Qp/

Is it insight? Or is it just some bloke's opinion that you happen to like or agree with?

[ToTaL ITK]

Best option : his own cronies realise that he's unhinged and take him out.
Second best :Black ops take him out
Worst option, Nato fires a shot - Putin fires a nuke.

Then it's game over for Russia as USA can out nuke them. If Putin is suffering from dementia or has a terminal illness and doesn't give a phuck anymore.Then all his family will die too.

[delmbox]

My preferred option would be to inform Putin that unless hostilities cease by a certain time and date Moscow would be erased from the map. This is obviously not going to happen as unfortunately no Western leader comes close to JFK. At the least we should impose a no fly zone and make sure that no seaborne landings around Odessa are fruitless with the strongest appropriate defensive weapons put in place.

What happens if hostilities don't cease by the time and date given? (as would likely be the case)

What's your next move?

[Wales-Bales]

What happens if hostilities don't cease by the time and date given? (as would likely be the case)

What's your next move?
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[William Treseder]

What happens if hostilities don't cease by the time and date given? (as would likely be the case)

What's your next move?

Moscow would be erased from the map.
Can’t you read !!!! 😁

[The Lone Gunman]

This is a six-minute video of an English-speaking Russian who has an entirely different perspective on what's happening in Ukraine today and why.

A Russian has a different perspective? Amazing.

[Raymond Holt]

My preferred option would be to inform Putin that unless hostilities cease by a certain time and date Moscow would be erased from the map. This is obviously not going to happen as unfortunately no Western leader comes close to JFK. At the least we should impose a no fly zone and make sure that no seaborne landings around Odessa are fruitless with the strongest appropriate defensive weapons put in place.

I'm glad you're not in charge of diplomatic relations :hehe: threatening to murder 12 million Russian civilians probably ain't the best idea. And the consensus seems to be that trying to impose a no-fly zone would also likely lead to nuclear war as it would mean the world's two largest air forces going head to head.

This 'NATO can out-nuke them' idea is a funny one. Dr. David Kelly helped expose the Soviet Union's biological weapons programme decades ago; the implication being that bio weapons would be used in conjunction with nuclear weapons to ensure total annihilation. Nobody is winning that fight.

A diplomatic resolution is surely the preferred way to solve this? Western leaders need to handle this one with care.

[delmbox]

Moscow would be erased from the map.
Can’t you read !!!! ��

It's a plan genius in its simplicity

[delmbox]

I'm glad you're not in charge of diplomatic relations :hehe: threatening to murder 12 million Russian civilians probably ain't the best idea. And the consensus seems to be that trying to impose a no-fly zone would also likely lead to nuclear war as it would mean the world's two largest air forces going head to head.

This 'NATO can out-nuke them' idea is a funny one. Dr. David Kelly helped expose the Soviet Union's biological weapons programme decades ago; the implication being that bio weapons would be used in conjunction with nuclear weapons to ensure total annihilation. Nobody is winning that fight.

A diplomatic resolution is surely the preferred way to solve this? Western leaders need to handle this one with care.

Crazily the world's two largest air forces are the US Air Force and the US Navy. Obviously if you're lumping them into one country Russia is second though

[Raymond Holt]

Crazily the world's two largest air forces are the US Air Force and the US Navy. Obviously if you're lumping them into one country Russia is second though

Ooh, good stat :thumbup:

[life on mars]

He will stop when he has enough of Ukraine he wants , and slowly but surely we will start to drop away sanctions , and Germany will cozy back up to them for the gas it so desperately needs.

He wins.

[stan butler]

Crazily the world's two largest air forces are the US Air Force and the US Navy. Obviously if you're lumping them into one country Russia is second though

Many of Russia's pilots are inexperienced and some are just not very good

[the other bob wilson]

This is a six-minute video of an English-speaking Russian who has an entirely different perspective on what's happening in Ukraine today and why. He also mentions uncomfortable reminders about all those freedom and democracy loving bombs that rained down on Libya, Serbia, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan by NATO and its member countries.

A Little insight into the "Russian invasion". Warning: This isn't mainstream. https://www.bitchute.com/video/GAH7af5xe3Qp/

And I voted for “regime change” in 2005 in the UK because of what happened in Iraq, I also supported stop the war movements financially and by other methods. I had the chance to those things. Does your typical Russian watching state controlled media and banned from using websites which portray a differing view have the chance to do the same? So I resent some sanctimonious Russian preaching to me about not supporting the actions taken by his country in the interests of “denazifying” Ukraine - what a sick word that is coming from the mouth of the modern day Hitler.

[AfricanBluebird]

So Nuclear weapons, whilst being touted as a deterrent, also allow crackpot Dictators to cold bloodily murder thousands of innocent people, and blow buildings to bits, and basically just get away with it, whilst the rest of the world looks on.
What a monster we’ve created!

Exactly and a narrative that often gets left out of these conversations.

Deterrent they are not!

Various disarmament treaties have never gone far enough - INF Treaty (1987) and START I (1991) and START 2 (2003 I think).

Remember that the US withdrew from the INF Treaty in 2019 under president Donald Trump!!

Why have they not resulted in the eradication of nuclear weapons.... in the US the arms industry have lobbied, bribed, lied and cajoled to force the US to keep weapons while Russia.. well, under Putin have always been bad actors.

[goats]

He will stop when he has enough of Ukraine he wants , and slowly but surely we will start to drop away sanctions , and Germany will cozy back up to them for the gas it so desperately needs.

He wins.

I don’t think so, it’s a wake up call for Western Europe, putin is a an arsehole who can’t be reasoned with. A massive mistake by the Germans to be be so reliant on them for Gas etc, I’m not sure where we get ours from but only 5% from Russia. I can see them being frozen out of everything now for years until Putin has gone.

[goats]

And I voted for “regime change” in 2005 in the UK because of what happened in Iraq, I also supported stop the war movements financially and by other methods. I had the chance to those things. Does your typical Russian watching state controlled media and banned from using websites which portray a differing view have the chance to do the same? So I resent some sanctimonious Russian preaching to me about not supporting the actions taken by his country in the interests of “denazifying” Ukraine - what a sick word that is coming from the mouth of the modern day Hitler.

Even more worse as Zelensky has family who were killed by the nazi regime apparently….putin accusing him of being part of a regime that killed his own family ffs. How low can he go? We always here about these tough Russians that can take anything, where are they now? They know what’s really going on by now….time to rise up

[the other bob wilson]

Even more worse as Zelensky has family who were killed by the nazi regime apparently….putin accusing him of being part of a regime that killed his own family ffs. How low can he go? We always here about these tough Russians that can take anything, where are they now? They know what’s really going on by now….time to rise up

They’re shelling nuclear energy plants now :facepalm:

[Grangenders]

Unfortunately this thing is going to run and run. Until Putin is somehow removed from power then we need to prepare for years of this turmoil. The Article 5 of NATO is all well and good but if the Americans get cold feet and don’t want to get involved in another European war then Putin has the whole continent in his pocket.

[goats]

Unfortunately this thing is going to run and run. Until Putin is somehow removed from power then we need to prepare for years of this turmoil. The Article 5 of NATO is all well and good but if the Americans get cold feet and don’t want to get involved in another European war then Putin has the whole continent in his pocket.

If Putin steps into another country we will have a huge war, no question about it. I think behind the scenes, moves to take him out will be underway from now on….

[Monster munch]

If Putin steps into another country we will have a huge war, no question about it. I think behind the scenes, moves to take him out will be underway from now on….

Absolutely. Putin knows this though and i very much doubt his plan is to go for Latvia, Lithuania or Estonia because they are in Nato (As much as he'd like to). Its as if he's been given free reign of Ukraine.
Although Moldova and Georgia are getting very sweaty as they aren't part of it so wouldn't surprise me if he goes for them next depending how this turns out.

[Monster munch]

Unfortunately this thing is going to run and run. Until Putin is somehow removed from power then we need to prepare for years of this turmoil. The Article 5 of NATO is all well and good but if the Americans get cold feet and don’t want to get involved in another European war then Putin has the whole continent in his pocket.

Uncle Sam would never get cold feet when it comes to the Russkies. It'll take just one russian renegade or soldier to enter, assault, fire a gun or fart in a Nato country and the yanks will be all bets in, pummelling Russian territory with cruise missiles. I wonder how many attack submarines are currently in the Baltic sea at the moment doing laps with itchy trigger fingers.
That's what i'm scared of the most.

[AfricanBluebird]

He also mentions uncomfortable reminders about all those freedom and democracy loving bombs that rained down on Libya, Serbia, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan by NATO and its member countries.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GAH7af5xe3Qp/

Thing is... most on here, as thoughtful and intelligent adults can hold a number of conflicting opinions at the same time....

NATO has been pretty useless for 20 years, overreached and provide protectionism to larger member states to continue to control oil and infrastructure - BUT still offers some protection to members so sovereign states have every right to join, or not.

We can be critical (I have and continue to be) of our own governments who 'rained down bombs on Libya, Serbia, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan' by NATO and its member countries' and STILL be critical of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

We can also be critical and cynical of our own governments and NATO's lack of response in Yemen and other countries and still see Russia as a bad actor under Putin.

We can also all acknowledge that we have failed for years to counter Russia's misbehaviour - funding of terrorists, appeasing bad actors, funding misinformation, buying political favours, laundering money and poisoning people on British soil.

All of the above positions can be true and coexist in our minds. We don't have to appease Russia's behaviour because our governments have also acted badly.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Absolutely. Putin knows this though and i very much doubt his plan is to go for Latvia, Lithuania or Estonia because they are in Nato (As much as he'd like to). Its as if he's been given free reign of Ukraine.
Although Moldova and Georgia are getting very sweaty as they aren't part of it so wouldn't surprise me if he goes for them next depending how this turns out.

Both Moldova and Georgia have areas of their countries under Russian control/influence and which are off-limits to the two governments within whose boundaries they fall.

[Gofer Blue]

Is it possible that the reason the infamous column of tanks/artillery north of Kiev is not moving is not that there is a problem with it per se but rather that why should Putin risk losing thousands more Russian troops when he can first destroy the city as he has done in the south of Ukraine, and probably the morale of the people, using long range weapons like rockets and missiles? The fact that this is mass murder of civilians presumably doesn't concern him.

[Gofer Blue]

African Bluebird - I have sent you a PM.

[Raymond Holt]

We can also be critical and cynical of our own governments and NATO's lack of response in Yemen and other countries and still see Russia as a bad actor under Putin.

We can also all acknowledge that we have failed for years to counter Russia's misbehaviour - funding of terrorists, appeasing bad actors, funding misinformation, buying political favours, laundering money and poisoning people on British soil.

All of the above positions can be true and coexist in our minds. We don't have to appease Russia's behaviour because our governments have also acted badly.

Agree with the jist of your post and much of what you've said. But if NATO responded to the conflict in Yemen they'd be fighting themselves. The UK trains Saudi pilots and BAE has thousands of staff there maintaining the Saudi aircraft's weaponry.

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2021-06-04/10169

It seems we are also funding our own "information" campaigns in states surrounding Russia:

https://declassifieduk.org/uk-spends-over-80m-on-media-in-20-countries-around-russia/

[JamesWales]

Crazily the world's two largest air forces are the US Air Force and the US Navy. Obviously if you're lumping them into one country Russia is second though

Someone is being paid by Hollywood to promote the forthcoming Top Gun film.

[blue matt]

Exactly and a narrative that often gets left out of these conversations.

Deterrent they are not!

Various disarmament treaties have never gone far enough - INF Treaty (1987) and START I (1991) and START 2 (2003 I think).

Remember that the US withdrew from the INF Treaty in 2019 under president Donald Trump!!

Why have they not resulted in the eradication of nuclear weapons.... in the US the arms industry have lobbied, bribed, lied and cajoled to force the US to keep weapons while Russia.. well, under Putin have always been bad actors.

The Trouble with disarmament treaties is that ALL parties need to abide by it, and with Russia thats never going to happen, so why run the risk of us, france and the USA disarming and leaving ourselves open to Russia ? ? ? he wouldn't be stopping at the Ukrainian border if he was the only one holding the button for Nukes, it'll be, free pass or I'm pressing it

so in that aspect it is a deterrent

[jon1959]

Thing is... most on here, as thoughtful and intelligent adults can hold a number of conflicting opinions at the same time....

NATO has been pretty useless for 20 years, overreached and provide protectionism to larger member states to continue to control oil and infrastructure - BUT still offers some protection to members so sovereign states have every right to join, or not.

We can be critical (I have and continue to be) of our own governments who 'rained down bombs on Libya, Serbia, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan' by NATO and its member countries' and STILL be critical of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

We can also be critical and cynical of our own governments and NATO's lack of response in Yemen and other countries and still see Russia as a bad actor under Putin.

We can also all acknowledge that we have failed for years to counter Russia's misbehaviour - funding of terrorists, appeasing bad actors, funding misinformation, buying political favours, laundering money and poisoning people on British soil.

All of the above positions can be true and coexist in our minds. We don't have to appease Russia's behaviour because our governments have also acted badly.

Good post.

[Wales-Bales]

US Senator call for assassination

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1499574209567199235

[chrisp_1927]

Looks like the majority of the anti tank weapons promised to Ukraine by Germany won't be turning up. They're all knackered, and the wooden boxes they are stored in are so rotten that protective suits are needed to enter the warehouse they are stored in.

[Swiss Peter]

Looks like the majority of the anti tank weapons promised to Ukraine by Germany won't be turning up. They're all knackered, and the wooden boxes they are stored in are so rotten that protective suits are needed to enter the warehouse they are stored in.

Hi Chris. Do you have a link for this please?

[Dorcus]

If Putin steps into another country we will have a huge war, no question about it. I think behind the scenes, moves to take him out will be underway from now on….

I think this is nearest to the truth. NATO would love to get engaged against the Russians but knows it would be suicide to do so. The most realistic, though hugely challenging, option would be to assassinate Putin.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if round the clock meetings are being held throughout the West trying to formulate a strategy to do so. The problem the West have got is that if it's executed by any one of them it becomes a declaration of war. It would have to be organized in such a way that it would be executed by a Russian citizen without the West being a smoking gun.

[stan butler]

Looks like the majority of the anti tank weapons promised to Ukraine by Germany won't be turning up. They're all knackered, and the wooden boxes they are stored in are so rotten that protective suits are needed to enter the warehouse they are stored in.

Or maybe just a cover story :thumbup:

[Dorcus]

Or maybe just a cover story :thumbup:

Good point Stan

[Organ Morgan.]

And I voted for “regime change” in 2005 in the UK because of what happened in Iraq, I also supported stop the war movements financially and by other methods. I had the chance to those things. Does your typical Russian watching state controlled media and banned from using websites which portray a differing view have the chance to do the same? So I resent some sanctimonious Russian preaching to me about not supporting the actions taken by his country in the interests of “denazifying” Ukraine - what a sick word that is coming from the mouth of the modern day Hitler.

I also found his delivery annoying.

The Nazi element in Ukraine he spoke of is real enough. Their Azov Battalion, who parade with flags based on the swastika symbol have also been pictured with German WW2 ones, is a bona fide element of Ukraine's military as anyone can confirm themselves with simple internet searches.

The premise of Ivan's monologue was challenging the 'crocodile tears' of the media. Which I believe has merit because I don't recall the leaders of those countries whose armed services they ordered to pulverise the states he mentioned being portrayed as some kind of demented, bloodthirsty monsters as Putin seems to be non-stop (and then slavishly repeated as some comments in this thread indicate).

What I recall was a media eager to excuse the wholesale slaughter of civilians on the back of them being perfectly acceptable pre-emptive strikes, collateral damage and the like.

[Rjk]

This is a six-minute video of an English-speaking Russian who has an entirely different perspective on what's happening in Ukraine today and why. He also mentions uncomfortable reminders about all those freedom and democracy loving bombs that rained down on Libya, Serbia, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan by NATO and its member countries.

A Little insight into the "Russian invasion". Warning: This isn't mainstream. https://www.bitchute.com/video/GAH7af5xe3Qp/

That's clearly the Russian line on things, but I wouldn't give it much creedence.

The guy's overall tone is very annoying and it was hard work to get to the end without turning it off.

This Wikipedia article gives a bit more background into the conflict,which has been brewing for years now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War

It is clearly all about keeping Ukraine within the Russian sphere of influence whether they want to be or not.

[delmbox]

Someone is being paid by Hollywood to promote the forthcoming Top Gun film.

I don't need to be paid, I absolutely LOVE Top Gun

[Wales-Bales]

The most realistic, though hugely challenging, option would be to assassinate Putin. I wouldn't be at all surprised if round the clock meetings are being held throughout the West trying to formulate a strategy to do so. The problem the West have got is that if it's executed by any one of them it becomes a declaration of war. It would have to be organized in such a way that it would be executed by a Russian citizen without the West being a smoking gun.
Why don't they spike his drink at the next WEF get-together? People tend to let their guard down when they are surrounded by friends.

[chrisp_1927]

Hi Chris. Do you have a link for this please?

It's very easy to google

[chrisp_1927]

Or maybe just a cover story :thumbup:

It would be a pretty crap cover story, that would have very little value .

[Swiss Peter]

It's very easy to google

Yeah, I found a Telegraph article but nothing to substantiate your claim that:

"Looks like the majority of the anti tank weapons promised to Ukraine by Germany won't be turning up. They're all knackered"

[xsnaggle]

Yeah, I found a Telegraph article but nothing to substantiate your claim that:

"Looks like the majority of the anti tank weapons promised to Ukraine by Germany won't be turning up. They're all knackered"

Try the BBC

or here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/04/anti-aircraft-missiles-germany-offered-ukraine-dont-work/

[blue matt]

lets hope the germans keep to their word of sending the 500 stingers

[Wales-Bales]

That's clearly the Russian line on things, but I wouldn't give it much creedence.

The guy's overall tone is very annoying and it was hard work to get to the end without turning it off.

This Wikipedia article gives a bit more background into the conflict which has been brewing for years now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War

It is clearly all about keeping Ukraine within the Russian sphere of influence whether they want to be or not.
It certainly has..

President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko with US Senators John McCain and Lindey Graham, in Shyrokino, Ukraine, Dec 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7u0y-iU82w

[Organ Morgan.]

A Russian has a different perspective? Amazing.

Gunman, can you revert to your former self, please?

CCMB'ers of long standing will remember when you used to post messages which were interesting, and often riveting, edge-of-the-seat stuff.

I'm sure I am not alone when fondly recalling your posts that gave an overview of football's history since Tudor times. Your 14,000-word analysis of Aberdare Athletic's 1923-24 season in the Third Division South remains a classic.

But for you few would know their captain Trefor Pandy, a butcher by trade, who was tasked with ensuring a serviceable match ball was available at home games, picked up the wrong carrier bag before their Exeter City fixture and as a consequence both teams were reduced to spending 90 minutes lumping around a 16 lb oven ready turkey.

You would also reminisce about time spent with your great chum: Cowbridge's second most notorious resident, a West Ham fan and purveyor of truly crap pine furniture.

Oh, how some of us yearn for you to be transformed back to your spellbinding best.

[stan butler]

It would be a pretty crap cover story, that would have very little value .

It's got you believing it :hehe:

[North Cardiff Blue]

Best option : his own cronies realise that he's unhinged and take him out.
Second best :Black ops take him out
Worst option, Nato fires a shot - Putin fires a nuke.

Yes I'm sure the US could get him bumped off somehow?

[chrisp_1927]

It's got you believing it :hehe:

Yeah, it's got me. Hook line and sinker. Genius

[xsnaggle]

Yes I'm sure the US could get him bumped off somehow?

Don't put too much faith in the US Armed forces. FFS when they sent 3 helicopters to relieve the Tehran Embassy 2 of the things managed to crash into each other in the middle of a flat open desert with nothing else around for hundreds of miles .
it's more difficult to do it than to avoid it FFS. :hehe:

[bobh]

Don't put too much faith in the US Armed forces. FFS when they sent 3 helicopters to relieve the Tehran Embassy 2 of the things managed to crash into each other in the middle of a flat open desert with nothing else around for hundreds of miles .
it's more difficult to do it than to avoid it FFS. :hehe:

I knew someone in the forces at the time.
Thee yanks wanted to make the choppers as light as possible.
So they removed loads of kit.
Including the sand filters that stop the rotors being clogged up... for an operation in the desert!!
:facepalm:

[bobh]

Yes I'm sure the US could get him bumped off somehow?

If they manage it, they'll never admit it was them.
Probably frame an Ukranian, or preferably a Russian dissident who "meets an accident " shortly afterwards.

[stan butler]

Yeah, it's got me. Hook line and sinker. Genius

It sure did then you posted about it:hehe::facepalm:

[Harry Paget Flashman]

This is a six-minute video of an English-speaking Russian who has an entirely different perspective on what's happening in Ukraine today and why. He also mentions uncomfortable reminders about all those freedom and democracy loving bombs that rained down on Libya, Serbia, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan by NATO and its member countries.

A Little insight into the "Russian invasion". Warning: This isn't mainstream. https://www.bitchute.com/video/GAH7af5xe3Qp/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/t6txcq/russian_influencers_on_tiktok_defend_the_invasion/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf