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LeningradCowboy
22-02-24, 10:37
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/council-tax-rise-6-cardiff-28678737

Cardiff council has dropped some of its plans to save money on street cleaning and public bins but council tax will raise more than expected.

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 10:43
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/council-tax-rise-6-cardiff-28678737

Cardiff council has dropped some of its plans to save money on street cleaning and public bins but council tax will raise more than expected.

FFS for nothing, they don't even collect the bins now, you have to sort them in stupid bags, next year I expect Cardiff Labour council will want you to deliver it on your bike, but book an appointment first, check the day that they are not on strike and take your driving license which will be obsolete by then :hehe:

Maurice Swan
22-02-24, 10:49
It's capped in England at 4.99%.....Wales seem to go their own way..."Since devolution we have respected the responsibility of local authorities and not used powers to cap council tax,” they added, confirming that no cap will be enforced this year.

I read that in Pembrokeshire it goes sup 16%?!!??

Eric the Half a Bee
22-02-24, 10:51
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/council-tax-rise-6-cardiff-28678737

Cardiff council has dropped some of its plans to save money on street cleaning and public bins but council tax will raise more than expected.

Council tax makes between 10%-15% of overall council funding. How much of an increase in council funding has come from Westminster?

Doucas
22-02-24, 11:20
I don't know how people can whinge about this after 14 years of voting for austerity and cuts to public services, what do you actually expect?

jon1959
22-02-24, 12:05
It's capped in England at 4.99%.....Wales seem to go their own way..."Since devolution we have respected the responsibility of local authorities and not used powers to cap council tax,” they added, confirming that no cap will be enforced this year.

I read that in Pembrokeshire it goes sup 16%?!!??

Councils in England that have issued section 114 notices (I think only 8 so far, but over a hundred believe they may have to in the next year or two) have been given permission to raise Council Tax by up to 10%.

jon1959
22-02-24, 12:07
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68278744


Interesting that for the whole of the UK the most expensive Band D council tax bill will be in Rutland; the cheapest in Westminster!

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 12:11
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-68278744


Interesting that for the whole of the UK the most expensive Band D council tax bill will be in Rutland; the cheapest in Westminster!

Pembroke 16.3%, how difficult is it for young people living there!!!!

And the 2nd home owners, isn't it triple this year?

jon1959
22-02-24, 12:24
Pembroke 16.3%, how difficult is it for young people living there!!!!

And the 2nd home owners, isn't it triple this year?

From the same article Pembrokeshire has one of the biggest projected budget shortfalls in Wales.

No idea how the Council Tax levels have changed over time, but I would guess that there is more of an elderly/retirement population there than in many other areas? Not likely to be league leaders on business rates either?

As Councils have had to drop almost all of their discretionary spending since the Age of Austerity began in 2010 and focus only on their statutory responsibilities (mainly adult social care and emergency homeless housing - both going skywards as the revenue shrinks) - most of it funded by a property tax based on 1991 valuations - they will all be heading for the maximum allowed Council Tax rises just to meet their statutory obligations. And still many of them will fail, issue section 114 and sell any remaining assets to survive a bit longer.

There is a UK crisis in local authority funding. That is true in all parts of the UK, and even if devolved governments have more theoretical flexibility in policy making, the same pressures and constraints apply to all.

And no solutions coming from the UK government.

The average Band D Council Tax in Wales is 91% of the average Band D Council Tax in England.

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 12:38
From the same article Pembrokeshire has one of the biggest projected budget shortfalls in Wales.

No idea how the Council Tax levels have changed over time, but I would guess that there is more of an elderly/retirement population there than in many other areas? Not likely to be league leaders on business rates either?

As Councils have had to drop almost all of their discretionary spending since the Age of Austerity began in 2010 and focus only on their statutory responsibilities (mainly adult social care and emergency homeless housing - both going skywards as the revenue shrinks) - most of it funded by a property tax based on 1991 valuations - they will all be heading for the maximum allowed Council Tax rises just to meet their statutory obligations. And still many of them will fail, issue section 114 and sell any remaining assets to survive a bit longer.

There is a UK crisis in local authority funding. That is true in all parts of the UK, and even if devolved governments have more theoretical flexibility in policy making, the same pressures and constraints apply to all.

And no solutions coming from the UK government.

The average Band D Council Tax in Wales is 91% of the average Band D Council Tax in England.

Well they are not going to be leaders on business rates if the Welsh government tried to discourage English tourists and slowed the roads down and are trying to bring in local tourist taxes and get welsh farmers to give up profitable land for trees to be greener than England.

It's history repeating itself like Cardiff airport dying while Bristol airport is growing the same is happening to the whole country's economy.

Eric the Half a Bee
22-02-24, 14:22
Well they are not going to be leaders on business rates if the Welsh government tried to discourage English tourists and slowed the roads down and are trying to bring in local tourist taxes and get welsh farmers to give up profitable land for trees to be greener than England.

It's history repeating itself like Cardiff airport dying while Bristol airport is growing the same is happening to the whole country's economy.

I've posted this before, and sorry to repeat myself, I'm going to do so again.

It seems that lots of people blame our dying town centres on high business rates. They also moan when council taxes go up. They also moan when services get cut because they only see their taxes increasing while being blissfully unaware of what councils are legally obliged to spend money on and how they get revenue from different sources.

Most days I'll see someone complain about potholes on social media. The same people moan about rises in council tax. They want to fork out less for better services, or they want to fork out less because they don't use some services. They are often the same people who think they should get to the front of the queue in the NHS because they've paid into it for so long.

As for 20mph, I see no evidence of that affecting our town centres in terms of footfall. One of the biggest problems that affects footfall in our towns is rising cost of living and less disposable income.

You might notice that I've not mentioned any political parties here, mainly because I see that as almost irrelevant to this issue.

Maurice Swan
22-02-24, 14:43
Somewhere the model is flawed...and not making any political points here....but I really do think that Margaret Thatchers 'Poll Tax' was a much better way to collect local taxes.....paid according to the number of people in the household (and hence who uses more services), rather than the property valuation....even if a single person lived there.

Out of interest....here in the Dordogne, my equivalent tax is about €2500 a year (around £2140)....and at the moment I have a large house. However, because my income is solely from pensions (state and private) and fall below a certain level, because I am over 75 I am exempt from this tax. I DO however still have to pay €850 - which they say is the cost of refuse for a household of 2 adults/2 children - which to me is too high.

Next year this will largely disappear - as we are in a rural area there is no doorstep bin collection - we take our rubbish to local deposit points (usually once a week on the way to shopping). From next year these deposit points will be free for recycling waste, but with a charge of €1 per opening of the bin to throw away landfill items (the bin will be opened by a magnetic key issued to all households), with a minimum charge of (I think it is) €125.

Just a different way of doing things - and we don't have to separate every type of item to recycle (apart from glass).

Eric the Half a Bee
22-02-24, 15:06
Somewhere the model is flawed...and not making any political points here....but I really do think that Margaret Thatchers 'Poll Tax' was a much better way to collect local taxes.....paid according to the number of people in the household (and hence who uses more services), rather than the property valuation....even if a single person lived there.


Of course it wasn't. Who knows how much people use certain services? It isn't all just about bins. It was a measure to make well off people contribute less.

splott parker
22-02-24, 15:12
Somewhere the model is flawed...and not making any political points here....but I really do think that Margaret Thatchers 'Poll Tax' was a much better way to collect local taxes.....paid according to the number of people in the household (and hence who uses more services), rather than the property valuation....even if a single person lived there.

Out of interest....here in the Dordogne, my equivalent tax is about €2500 a year (around £2140)....and at the moment I have a large house. However, because my income is solely from pensions (state and private) and fall below a certain level, because I am over 75 I am exempt from this tax. I DO however still have to pay €850 - which they say is the cost of refuse for a household of 2 adults/2 children - which to me is too high.

Next year this will largely disappear - as we are in a rural area there is no doorstep bin collection - we take our rubbish to local deposit points (usually once a week on the way to shopping). From next year these deposit points will be free for recycling waste, but with a charge of €1 per opening of the bin to throw away landfill items (the bin will be opened by a magnetic key issued to all households), with a minimum charge of (I think it is) €125.

Just a different way of doing things - and we don't have to separate every type of item to recycle (apart from glass).

The poll tax was a very unfair system, the one good thing that came out of it was its contribution to that woman’s demise.

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 15:18
Of course it wasn't. Who knows how much people use certain services? It isn't all just about bins. It was a measure to make well off people contribute less.

No some families of six adults in a 3 bedroom in Butuetown could earn 15 times more than a little old pensioner in a 5 Bedroom house in Lisvane. Your house value has feck all to do with what you earn or what services you use, or what you can afford to pay it's stupid.

Probably a combination of both would give the fairest outcome.

J R Hartley
22-02-24, 15:22
No some families of six adults in a 3 bedroom in Butuetown could earn 15 times more than a little old pensioner in a 5 Bedroom house in Lisvane. Your house value has feck all to do with what you earn or what services you use, or what you can afford to pay it's stupid.

Probably a combination of both would give the fairest outcome.

Put the Maggie photo down and wash your hands you grotty little man.

splott parker
22-02-24, 15:30
No some families of six adults in a 3 bedroom in Butuetown could earn 15 times more than a little old pensioner in a 5 Bedroom house in Lisvane. Your house value has feck all to do with what you earn or what services you use, or what you can afford to pay it's stupid.

Probably a combination of both would give the fairest outcome.

Should swap houses then, now that would be a fair system:thumbup:

Maurice Swan
22-02-24, 15:53
Should swap houses then, now that would be a fair system:thumbup:

...sounds a bit like the Bolshevik Revolution ..the peasants commandeering the large properties....

goats
22-02-24, 15:59
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/council-tax-rise-6-cardiff-28678737

Cardiff council has dropped some of its plans to save money on street cleaning and public bins but council tax will raise more than expected.

Pisstake

goats
22-02-24, 16:01
It's capped in England at 4.99%.....Wales seem to go their own way..."Since devolution we have respected the responsibility of local authorities and not used powers to cap council tax,” they added, confirming that no cap will be enforced this year.

I read that in Pembrokeshire it goes sup 16%?!!??

Pembrokeshire are just doing that to annoy the second home owners even more, maybe they will all sell up and barely anyone will be able to stay there anymore, just how they want it out west.

splott parker
22-02-24, 16:12
...sounds a bit like the Bolshevik Revolution ..the peasants commandeering the large properties....

Not keen on peasants, are you Mo? Bloody spongers eh!

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 16:15
Put the Maggie photo down and wash your hands you grotty little man.

Ha ha give your Scargill jazz mag a break :hehe:

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 16:19
Should swap houses then, now that would be a fair system:thumbup:

It's not me, three still earning in our house and I'm not a fogie yet :hehe:

Eric the Half a Bee
22-02-24, 16:29
No some families of six adults in a 3 bedroom in Butetown could earn 15 times more than a little old pensioner in a 5 Bedroom house in Lisvane.

Of course, we know what you're implying here.

Tuerto
22-02-24, 16:30
The poll tax was a very unfair system, the one good thing that came out of it was its contribution to that woman’s demise.

At 18, back in 1990, i was on £50 per week learning my trade. Thatcher wanted £380 a year from me in poll tax, that was the bet part of 2 months wages. And Mo the Tory idiot thinks it was fair. That bloke needs to give his head a wobble.

Tuerto
22-02-24, 16:32
Of course, we know what you're implying here.

Yup. I'm down there at least once a week, i'll pick him up and he can come with me and i'll show him the reality. He knows absolutely shit.

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 16:34
Of course, we know what you're implying here.

Or any area, there was no implication whatsoever from my mind, the point was cheaper band v's high band, that's your mind, not mine, it didn't even enter my head, that's what you are now implying.

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 16:36
Yup. I'm down there at least once a week, i'll pick him up and he can come with me and i'll show him the reality. He knows absolutely shit.

I pass through regularly, there was no implication towards the people of Butetown whatsoever, my Mum and Dad grew up in the old Docks and my Nan got moved to the flats in Bute Street when her house was knocked down, my other Nan lived near the back of the Central Station. I still know fine people from there, it was purely for council tax comparison.

splott parker
22-02-24, 16:40
At 18, back in 1990, i was on £50 per week learning my trade. Thatcher wanted £380 a year from me in poll tax, that was the bet part of 2 months wages. And Mo the Tory idiot thinks it was fair. That bloke needs to give his head a wobble.

Aye, some show their true colours on here. That woman’s disciples, treat those less fortunate as the shit on their shoe.

Maurice Swan
22-02-24, 16:44
At 18, back in 1990, i was on £50 per week learning my trade. Thatcher wanted £380 a year from me in poll tax, that was the bet part of 2 months wages. And Mo the Tory idiot thinks it was fair. That bloke needs to give his head a wobble.

...so that was about 14% of your salary.....mean average per household for Council Tax is around 10%....but that can cover x people......and THAT is why there is a lack of funding. People should pay individually.

The 20 council areas with the lowest average earnings in the UK all charged over 8 per cent of the median salary in council tax. Relative to both house prices and median pay, the four lowest charging councils were all in London. (my bold)...do you think THAT is fair? of course it isn't - if they were charged individually it would be more even.

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 16:47
Aye, some show their true colours on here. That woman’s disciples, treat those less fortunate as the shit on their shoe.

She did a lot of bad no one should try and deny that, the mines especially were terrible for Welsh communities, and how it was conducted with the police was disgusting and should never be forgotten.

Maurice Swan
22-02-24, 16:49
She did a lot of bad no one should try and deny that, the mines especially were terrible for Welsh communities, and how it was conducted with the police was disgusting and should never be forgotten.

She also did a lot of good....and don't forget that Harold Wilson closed more coal mines than her government did....

North Cardiff Blue
22-02-24, 16:52
She also did a lot of good....and don't forget that Harold Wilson closed more coal mines than her government did....

She did but you need to have a balanced view, if a leader or party does some things good that's fine, but don't try and defend them when they make mistakes or affect you or your area in a bad way.

Tuerto
22-02-24, 16:56
She also did a lot of good....and don't forget that Harold Wilson closed more coal mines than her government did....

She closed them because she wanted to decimate any control the working classes had over bosses and the Government. Like working conditions, pay, all that stuff. A lot of the things you moan about in society (These days) are a direct result of policy implemented by Thatcher and successive Tory Governments. It doesn't 'Just Happen'. And that isn't a plug for Labour either, who have been shambolic and have given in to right wing populism over the past 30 years.

splott parker
22-02-24, 17:05
She also did a lot of good....and don't forget that Harold Wilson closed more coal mines than her government did....

She did no good whatsoever, she was a warmonger, she revelled in the Falklands conflict, whipping idiots up into a patriotic frenzy. Then turned on the working man. A horrible person who destroyed lives, communities and a whole way of life to line the pockets of the few. It was a horrible time to be a run of the mill worker in those dark days.

I hated her with a passion and that hate will never go away. A horrible, uncaring shithouse.

Maurice Swan
22-02-24, 17:09
Well...each to their own...we all have differing views on history.

Jordi Culé
22-02-24, 18:04
Seems a good a time as any to promote my 'Thatchers Still Dead' Pub crawl on Saturday April 6th.

Venue: Merthyr Tydfil

Any takers?

goats
22-02-24, 18:13
She did no good whatsoever, she was a warmonger, she revelled in the Falklands conflict, whipping idiots up into a patriotic frenzy. Then turned on the working man. A horrible person who destroyed lives, communities and a whole way of life to line the pockets of the few. It was a horrible time to be a run of the mill worker in those dark days.

I hated her with a passion and that hate will never go away. A horrible, uncaring shithouse.

Interesting, a warmonger? What do you think of Tony Bliar then?

Tuerto
22-02-24, 18:16
Interesting, a warmonger? What do you think of Tony Bliar then?

Blair is a war criminal in my opinion.

goats
22-02-24, 18:37
Blair is a war criminal in my opinion.

We rarely seem to get a decent prime minister do we?

splott parker
22-02-24, 19:19
Interesting, a warmonger? What do you think of Tony Bliar then?

Another Tory twat! That woman went to war against her own people though, the recent Miners Strike documentary, Orgreave dear me!!

Heathblue
22-02-24, 20:41
Arguing over two cheeks of the same areshole, this place doesn't change I hate them all :biggrin:

Tuerto
22-02-24, 22:31
Arguing over two cheeks of the same areshole, this place doesn't change I hate them all :biggrin:

Arguing the merits between Blair and Thatcher is a pretty legitimate discussion to have. she would have been very proud of him :thumbup:

jon1959
22-02-24, 23:06
Arguing the merits between Blair and Thatcher is a pretty legitimate discussion to have. she would have been very proud of him :thumbup:

She was very proud:

In 2002, twelve years after Margaret Thatcher left office, she was asked at a dinner what was her greatest achievement. Thatcher replied: “Tony Blair and New Labour...."

https://economicsociology.org/2018/03/19/thatcherisms-greatest-achievement/

the other bob wilson
23-02-24, 05:46
She did no good whatsoever, she was a warmonger, she revelled in the Falklands conflict, whipping idiots up into a patriotic frenzy. Then turned on the working man. A horrible person who destroyed lives, communities and a whole way of life to line the pockets of the few. It was a horrible time to be a run of the mill worker in those dark days.

I hated her with a passion and that hate will never go away. A horrible, uncaring shithouse.

Let’s not forget either that it was a decision by the incoming Government to cut down on the military presence in the Falklands which, effectively, gave Argentina the green light to invade.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/30/thatcher-warned-defence-cuts-falklands

JamesWales
23-02-24, 11:14
Public sector is absolutely f****d since Covid.

It was inefficient before. It is on another scale now.

JamesWales
23-02-24, 11:21
Let’s not forget either that it was a decision by the incoming Government to cut down on the military presence in the Falklands which, effectively, gave Argentina the green light to invade.


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/dec/30/thatcher-warned-defence-cuts-falklands

A far right govt invaded British territory and you lot still manage to blame Thatcher 🤣

jon1959
23-02-24, 12:19
Public sector is absolutely f****d since Covid.

It was inefficient before. It is on another scale now.

Inefficient?

Is that code for hollowed out, destroyed by the Cult of Austerity, underfunded or not funded, left with core statutory responsibilities but without the money to pay for them, overwhelmed by rising demand, subjected to inadequate and incoherent direction from central government, and (and final nail in the coffin) abused by a Tory fan-boy on CCMB.

Dark days!

JamesWales
23-02-24, 12:23
Inefficient?

Is that code for hollowed out, destroyed by the Cult of Austerity, underfunded or not funded, left with core statutory responsibilities but without the money to pay for them, overwhelmed by rising demand, subjected to inadequate and incoherent direction from central government, and (and final nail in the coffin) abused by a Tory fan-boy on CCMB.

Dark days!

No, it's to do with poor working practices, silo cultures, WFH, dreadful guidance and communication, poor decision making etc etc.

Money issues don't help one bit. But there is never enough money, the US military would say they are underfunded so this is more an issue with the culture.

jon1959
23-02-24, 12:59
No, it's to do with poor working practices, silo cultures, WFH, dreadful guidance and communication, poor decision making etc etc.

Money issues don't help one bit. But there is never enough money, the US military would say they are underfunded so this is more an issue with the culture.

There are many cultures in the public sector (as there are in the private sector).

I am out of it now, but when I was working (mostly public sector - but started in the private) I was exposed to Councils, Fire & Rescue, the police and parts of the NHS. There were pockets of excellence - both culture and performance. There were areas or services with poor leadership (or no leadership). There were places where funding and incoherent political direction was the main problem. There were many areas (especially in Council services) where decades of expertise and knowledge were discarded within a year (thanks George Osbourne).

My Council experience (from 1986 to 2014) moved from 'professional but paternalistic', through high performing, motivated and inclusive (staff and service users), to gutted and demoralised - which is where we still are as a country!

JamesWales
23-02-24, 13:07
There are many cultures in the public sector (as there are in the private sector).

I am out of it now, but when I was working (mostly public sector - but started in the private) I was exposed to Councils, Fire & Rescue, the police and parts of the NHS. There were pockets of excellence - both culture and performance. There were areas or services with poor leadership (or no leadership). There were places where funding and incoherent political direction was the main problem. There were many areas (especially in Council services) where decades of expertise and knowledge were discarded within a year (thanks George Osbourne).

My Council experience (from 1986 to 2014) moved from 'professional but paternalistic', through high performing, motivated and inclusive (staff and service users), to gutted and demoralised - which is where we still are as a country!

All valid points and you are correct there are numerous cultures within the very broad spectrum of the public sector. I refer more to local authorities and having worked in them before and after COVID and still know many working in it now, I think the change is remarkable and wholly negative. The difference is much starker than before or after the financial crisis and following austerity etc, although clearly the years of that impacted.

People are just not sharing information, engaging with colleagues, ensuring work gets done properly, allowing staff to develop etc now. It's a huge issue.

Citizen's Nephew
23-02-24, 13:10
There are many cultures in the public sector (as there are in the private sector).

I am out of it now, but when I was working (mostly public sector - but started in the private) I was exposed to Councils, Fire & Rescue, the police and parts of the NHS. There were pockets of excellence - both culture and performance. There were areas or services with poor leadership (or no leadership). There were places where funding and incoherent political direction was the main problem. There were many areas (especially in Council services) where decades of expertise and knowledge were discarded within a year (thanks George Osbourne).

My Council experience (from 1986 to 2014) moved from 'professional but paternalistic', through high performing, motivated and inclusive (staff and service users), to gutted and demoralised - which is where we still are as a country!

It’s almost as if there are never any inefficient private sector companies or organisations in some people’s political vacuum. And this notion that more money isn’t the answer is such a red herring when in fact ‘less money’ due to austerity was supposed to be good housekeeping.

JamesWales
23-02-24, 14:06
It’s almost as if there are never any inefficient private sector companies or organisations in some people’s political vacuum. And this notion that more money isn’t the answer is such a red herring when in fact ‘less money’ due to austerity was supposed to be good housekeeping.

The difference is the checks and balances in the private sector relating to profit.

I am a big defender of the public sector. Have proudly spent most of my career working in it, but current working practices are not in the interests of service delivery. They are undermining service delivery, so criticising it is helping the public sector IMO.

Eric Cartman
23-02-24, 16:14
The difference is the checks and balances in the private sector relating to profit.

I am a big defender of the public sector. Have proudly spent most of my career working in it, but current working practices are not in the interests of service delivery. They are undermining service delivery, so criticising it is helping the public sector IMO.

Our council has just been forced to abandon it's main site due to finances and move every member of staff into an open plan call centre style office space that is built to take maybe 30% of the work force, I don't think this is an isolated case at all. Unfortunately resources/money influences working practice quite significantly.

Having worked here a long time, I don't need to be coddled to be effective at work and would struggle to work in a overbright open plan office so I steer clear unless we are meeting as a team.

It's not just a few broad cultures, because of the freedom/lack of control over management, your experience of working in the local authority almost entirely depends on how effective/engaged your line manager is. Anyone working any length of time in an LA will have encountered people who basically don't do anything (or even offer any useful coherent ideas) and also people who are kept away from anything important because they are useless. That has always been the case whether in the office 5 days a week or working from home full time during COVID.

pipster
23-02-24, 16:32
What LA do you work for, I used to work for Cardiff Council a long time ago, more dead wood there than a timber yard.
Cardiff Council has plans to make nearly all of it’s work force remote

Gofer Blue
23-02-24, 19:48
As others have said, you Cardiffians should just be thankful you don't live in Pembrokeshire with a 16% increase in Council Tax on the cards. Most of the folk in Pembs County Hall now seem to work from home so it is almost impossible to see anyone in person any more. The best you can hope for is a return phone call from someone at any time - might be today, might be tomorrow..... All numbers are witheld so it is impossible to call anyone back if you miss the call for some reason - you have to start over from scratch!

Eric the Half a Bee
24-02-24, 23:36
The difference is the checks and balances in the private sector relating to profit.

It's an interesting point.

Imagine councils had to deliver a profit for shareholders every year. Do you think our council services would

a) Improve
b) Stay the same
c) Get worse

Heathblue
25-02-24, 00:03
It's an interesting point.

Imagine councils had to deliver a profit for shareholders every year. Do you think our council services would

a) Improve
b) Stay the same
c) Get worse

I've only ever worked in a private sector Job, lots of waste and the spunking of money hand over fist on vanity projects and for the bosses that I've worked for who were elevated far beyond their ability, I've also worked for some excellent gaffers, when i started my apprenticeship in 1978 an old boy who i became friendly with introduced me to the phrase, "penny wise pound foolish" and that's how I would describe the private sector now as it was back then.

JamesWales
25-02-24, 01:22
Put the Maggie photo down and wwwwash your hands you grotty little man.

She lost power 30 years ago you dinosaur.

LeningradCowboy
08-03-24, 17:00
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/cardiff-council-tax-rise-set-28781358

Council tax in Cardiff will rise by 6% and black bin bag collections will be less frequent. The news comes after Cardiff Council voted through a number of proposals as part of its 2024-25 budget at a full council meeting on Thursday, March 7.