Interesting article re: Wagebill

[J R Hartley]

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/championship-wage-bills-2023-24-leeds-leicester-southampton

Seems to back up Dalmans assertion that we are top 6 for wagebill.

One in the eye too for Bulut and his cult followers who like to make out we are operating like a Rotherham or Plymouth.

Goes to show what a fantasatic job Mckenna and Robins are doing at Ipswich and Coventry and also playing some terrific stuff, especially Ipswich.

Hes got to be manager of the year Mckenna.

[jon1959]

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/championship-wage-bills-2023-24-leeds-leicester-southampton


Goes to show what a fantasatic job Mckenna and Robins are doing at Ipswich and Coventry and also playing some terrific stuff, especially Ipswich.

Hes got to be manager of the year Mckenna.

Absolutely.

[Rjk]

values are from the capology website, I've seen some on there previously that were highly dubious

[J R Hartley]

values are from the capology website, I've seen some on there previously that were highly dubious

Our own Chairman has also stated that we are top 6 for wagebill but still people want to make out we are the poor relation in the division :shrug:

[Rjk]

Our own Chairman has also stated that we are top 6 for wagebill but still people want to make out we are the poor relation in the division :shrug:

I'm prepared to believe we are upper half in wages easily, 6th is entirely plausible, especially as we were under a transfer embargo so brought in a number of free transfers and loans .

I'm not sure capology is accurate at all though - it has us down as paying nat Phillips £65k a week? does anyone think that's likely?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

The wage bill may be high but you would imagine that our ongoing payments regarding historical transfer fees should be lower than many of the teams in our division.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

I'm prepared to believe we are upper half in wages easily, 6th is entirely plausible, especially as we were under a transfer embargo so brought in a number of free transfers and loans .

I'm not sure capology is accurate at all though - it has us down as paying nat Phillips £65k a week? does anyone think that's likely?

No, but if you put together a table headed "clubs most likely to get value for what they spend on players' wages", then we'd be very close to the bottom..

[WJ99mobile]

I'm prepared to believe we are upper half in wages easily, 6th is entirely plausible, especially as we were under a transfer embargo so brought in a number of free transfers and loans .

I'm not sure capology is accurate at all though - it has us down as paying nat Phillips £65k a week? does anyone think that's likely?

I actually think that loans like this even at an extorniate wage, works far better than a depreciating asset on the books.

[NYCBlue]

If we're 6th, that puts us top of the teams that are not on parachute payments. I can't see it. I'm not saying it's not true, but there's definitely room for doubt. It's not like Siopis and Goutas are star players.

[Rjk]

If we're 6th, that puts us top of the teams that are not on parachute payments. I can't see it. I'm not saying it's not true, but there's definitely room for doubt. It's not like Siopis and Goutas are star players.

the site has us paying the full whack of Nat Phillips wage, even though he's only here for 5 months, you can probably knock a couple of million off the total for him alone (unless we got completely screwed over on that deal)

[WJ99mobile]

I was actually going to post last night about player wages.

I've heard Swansea have recently agreed £16k a week for a contract from their youth setup. Compare that to LRZ who was only making about 5k at his best in rugby which is in dire straits financially does make me worry.

Clubs are stuck between a rock and a hard place, either risking losing a future star or paying wages that will inevitably cripple them so when I hear a kid is getting £16k a week (if true) £50k for Ramsey doesn't seem too farfetched.

However the article is from October and is based on estimates and when you look at actual accounts on companies house, for 2023, we were only at 14,227,000 then.

https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-live.ch.gov.uk/docs/_5MeRasfhpUtJzAOvpWCZ4t_qLM0ZXnH0qnjEBMYzeQ/application-pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAWRGBDBV3B2FKMSMH%2F20240411%2Feu-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20240411T160001Z&X-Amz-Expires=60&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEA4aCWV1LXdlc3QtMiJIMEYCIQD3 ZYbOq%2B%2Fh1jrt1KNrdwR7OFxXjqTG9dlyAvDSSM1UAQIhAK MFuq49rtLRw3YHKez8dRFRSEw4%2FX58SS%2BdnZ37Lj3GKrsF CEcQBRoMNDQ5MjI5MDMyODIyIgysGogHXx%2FGhSnu%2FgUqmA XAPGyCqHv6un9XvS4z%2FvkeeEiHkdyPM7clKgfghO9%2FnCfB bqGquKXGtVvvqLtZHeom4yZeMRFmXZY06OcCXEebOCP9QvAsoC lWRArS8uht73G4rNnaNbyC8x4YADSzM%2FRsKMeuWlxHffss2c uFd%2BcwRwtLiNPJcniydIT00iZcvFlHky9Fiqv4vEtMIb03xG ISfHo%2F8BkeZ60PYvI1l0CGudqePsNRWxiZ5Na0noAnXKBvEo 4W0xjn9JiEk9fSDnD%2B40sp9XE00Xg0TWJDZSqu%2FzPxmk%2 BlDLLaRtAfth0F0zYFp83Ojkb0AeZRDTfGZuSUuZOJVoOzN7x7 6RYNNwlnreuL0lmQAIbwUIHQNz3tRFz7uRRCdk909ISZ7WJPQU n1FzzozgYAP1%2FZ8NnmCI2Ea%2FOnhCAQO%2B9ziIDlPZLZIj QMch6ZJo20Bth1PoMU31aQtfiq2QO6h8%2FHiweqafCID0DAzn 3rujLTXfKqAIbEIJWvXzy7Rb4IAQw%2BRli%2FITp%2BXt2xLC OVo5FOFCnPReYdw88sQBPhTHFKlYdPQFG9%2BDgm9wmkXu%2F1 7O4qqwaCxQtuyDwgvU39gLC9cp61zM%2FuHGVFSNHt6%2BQXK0 sqVqS8y%2BwEemCjH%2Fo%2Fq3F78Z3TKx%2B2Ayevt%2FgLZ5 12uHfNV8ptpWgTmSZ5TqE7QLlGQtPFv0IlhUD%2BMEHy4%2B9L 9Ef00g8P%2FPcduojVF3qKQqN28MIbLlFO6tPF4lZiDSi05EoH F5L7pLp24%2BNSO41cDvdFXQqwuNOkIJ0XUePJca%2BFJ3TFwz OkMJVmK2oo0WO0xY7mtBzxMoY5xyrKxOffU2iCc6qIMwQakZVM YVKvoHbIh%2FKy%2FC3C0grul6FvabhecHs2kdoSZkLQf3sxMM nf37AGOrABIRvz7e4rR9Mb%2BfXD3t2Ga141WCdyjIHBbm8q7y 3Qm4dTJ9GfvNigYL2b2mrWlpd1%2BKiCG%2Bwm%2BJAswhh%2F Nw2NZy%2FvrVRGKon7DGuntVi2Oo9kSnRr7eVp1W9UgwkW9dep 3Xx7aMGfuOkjI23tP2sGvu88m%2BghyAst4jZepnq8TesJ7cCR 5iXs1dFmWMqeqYkGJk9P7ib9fyeUHV52zi2n1%2BMQxof5S%2B PwSQTZ5iqZssQ%3D&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22companies_house _document.pdf%22&X-Amz-Signature=ddc77409f9cfa609ce585293b6e30467f8f405f9 5e31a890af283af1e417cbcf

[Rjk]

I was actually going to post last night about player wages.

I've heard Swansea have recently agreed £16k a week for a contract from their youth setup. Compare that to LRZ who was only making about 5k at his best in rugby which is in dire straits financially does make me worry.

Clubs are stuck between a rock and a hard place, either risking losing a future star or paying wages that will inevitably cripple them so when I hear a kid is getting £16k a week (if true) £50k for Ramsey doesn't seem too farfetched.

However the article is from October and is based on estimates and when you look at actual accounts on companies house, for 2023, we were only at 14,227,000 then.

https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-live.ch.gov.uk/docs/_5MeRasfhpUtJzAOvpWCZ4t_qLM0ZXnH0qnjEBMYzeQ/application-pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAWRGBDBV3B2FKMSMH%2F20240411%2Feu-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20240411T160001Z&X-Amz-Expires=60&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEA4aCWV1LXdlc3QtMiJIMEYCIQD3 ZYbOq%2B%2Fh1jrt1KNrdwR7OFxXjqTG9dlyAvDSSM1UAQIhAK MFuq49rtLRw3YHKez8dRFRSEw4%2FX58SS%2BdnZ37Lj3GKrsF CEcQBRoMNDQ5MjI5MDMyODIyIgysGogHXx%2FGhSnu%2FgUqmA XAPGyCqHv6un9XvS4z%2FvkeeEiHkdyPM7clKgfghO9%2FnCfB bqGquKXGtVvvqLtZHeom4yZeMRFmXZY06OcCXEebOCP9QvAsoC lWRArS8uht73G4rNnaNbyC8x4YADSzM%2FRsKMeuWlxHffss2c uFd%2BcwRwtLiNPJcniydIT00iZcvFlHky9Fiqv4vEtMIb03xG ISfHo%2F8BkeZ60PYvI1l0CGudqePsNRWxiZ5Na0noAnXKBvEo 4W0xjn9JiEk9fSDnD%2B40sp9XE00Xg0TWJDZSqu%2FzPxmk%2 BlDLLaRtAfth0F0zYFp83Ojkb0AeZRDTfGZuSUuZOJVoOzN7x7 6RYNNwlnreuL0lmQAIbwUIHQNz3tRFz7uRRCdk909ISZ7WJPQU n1FzzozgYAP1%2FZ8NnmCI2Ea%2FOnhCAQO%2B9ziIDlPZLZIj QMch6ZJo20Bth1PoMU31aQtfiq2QO6h8%2FHiweqafCID0DAzn 3rujLTXfKqAIbEIJWvXzy7Rb4IAQw%2BRli%2FITp%2BXt2xLC OVo5FOFCnPReYdw88sQBPhTHFKlYdPQFG9%2BDgm9wmkXu%2F1 7O4qqwaCxQtuyDwgvU39gLC9cp61zM%2FuHGVFSNHt6%2BQXK0 sqVqS8y%2BwEemCjH%2Fo%2Fq3F78Z3TKx%2B2Ayevt%2FgLZ5 12uHfNV8ptpWgTmSZ5TqE7QLlGQtPFv0IlhUD%2BMEHy4%2B9L 9Ef00g8P%2FPcduojVF3qKQqN28MIbLlFO6tPF4lZiDSi05EoH F5L7pLp24%2BNSO41cDvdFXQqwuNOkIJ0XUePJca%2BFJ3TFwz OkMJVmK2oo0WO0xY7mtBzxMoY5xyrKxOffU2iCc6qIMwQakZVM YVKvoHbIh%2FKy%2FC3C0grul6FvabhecHs2kdoSZkLQf3sxMM nf37AGOrABIRvz7e4rR9Mb%2BfXD3t2Ga141WCdyjIHBbm8q7y 3Qm4dTJ9GfvNigYL2b2mrWlpd1%2BKiCG%2Bwm%2BJAswhh%2F Nw2NZy%2FvrVRGKon7DGuntVi2Oo9kSnRr7eVp1W9UgwkW9dep 3Xx7aMGfuOkjI23tP2sGvu88m%2BghyAst4jZepnq8TesJ7cCR 5iXs1dFmWMqeqYkGJk9P7ib9fyeUHV52zi2n1%2BMQxof5S%2B PwSQTZ5iqZssQ%3D&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22companies_house _document.pdf%22&X-Amz-Signature=ddc77409f9cfa609ce585293b6e30467f8f405f9 5e31a890af283af1e417cbcf

16k a week for an academy player is ridiculous for the championship, that's basically a top championship player salary range. some clubs don't have anyone on that much

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Take out Aaron Ramsey and that's got to knock down the wage bill quite considerably

Robinson is on a good whack too

[Canton Kev]

16k a week for an academy player is ridiculous for the championship, that's basically a top championship player salary range. some clubs don't have anyone on that much

I don’t think 16k a week has been a “top championship player salary” for a while now.

Wolves had someone on 100k a week when they went up and that was nearly 7 years ago.

Whilst that is no doubt an exceptional outlier, I wouldn’t be surprised if top end championship players are in the 30k-50k a week range.

[goats]

Did I hear right today that Leeds owe £190 million in transfer fees at this time? How can that be right, basically they’ve bought a whole team but not paid for anyone yet? Great gamble for promotion, but if it’s doable why don’t we all do it?

[City123]

I was actually going to post last night about player wages.

I've heard Swansea have recently agreed £16k a week for a contract from their youth setup. Compare that to LRZ who was only making about 5k at his best in rugby which is in dire straits financially does make me worry.

Clubs are stuck between a rock and a hard place, either risking losing a future star or paying wages that will inevitably cripple them so when I hear a kid is getting £16k a week (if true) £50k for Ramsey doesn't seem too farfetched.

However the article is from October and is based on estimates and when you look at actual accounts on companies house, for 2023, we were only at 14,227,000 then.

https://s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/document-api-images-live.ch.gov.uk/docs/_5MeRasfhpUtJzAOvpWCZ4t_qLM0ZXnH0qnjEBMYzeQ/application-pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=ASIAWRGBDBV3B2FKMSMH%2F20240411%2Feu-west-2%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20240411T160001Z&X-Amz-Expires=60&X-Amz-Security-Token=IQoJb3JpZ2luX2VjEA4aCWV1LXdlc3QtMiJIMEYCIQD3 ZYbOq%2B%2Fh1jrt1KNrdwR7OFxXjqTG9dlyAvDSSM1UAQIhAK MFuq49rtLRw3YHKez8dRFRSEw4%2FX58SS%2BdnZ37Lj3GKrsF CEcQBRoMNDQ5MjI5MDMyODIyIgysGogHXx%2FGhSnu%2FgUqmA XAPGyCqHv6un9XvS4z%2FvkeeEiHkdyPM7clKgfghO9%2FnCfB bqGquKXGtVvvqLtZHeom4yZeMRFmXZY06OcCXEebOCP9QvAsoC lWRArS8uht73G4rNnaNbyC8x4YADSzM%2FRsKMeuWlxHffss2c uFd%2BcwRwtLiNPJcniydIT00iZcvFlHky9Fiqv4vEtMIb03xG ISfHo%2F8BkeZ60PYvI1l0CGudqePsNRWxiZ5Na0noAnXKBvEo 4W0xjn9JiEk9fSDnD%2B40sp9XE00Xg0TWJDZSqu%2FzPxmk%2 BlDLLaRtAfth0F0zYFp83Ojkb0AeZRDTfGZuSUuZOJVoOzN7x7 6RYNNwlnreuL0lmQAIbwUIHQNz3tRFz7uRRCdk909ISZ7WJPQU n1FzzozgYAP1%2FZ8NnmCI2Ea%2FOnhCAQO%2B9ziIDlPZLZIj QMch6ZJo20Bth1PoMU31aQtfiq2QO6h8%2FHiweqafCID0DAzn 3rujLTXfKqAIbEIJWvXzy7Rb4IAQw%2BRli%2FITp%2BXt2xLC OVo5FOFCnPReYdw88sQBPhTHFKlYdPQFG9%2BDgm9wmkXu%2F1 7O4qqwaCxQtuyDwgvU39gLC9cp61zM%2FuHGVFSNHt6%2BQXK0 sqVqS8y%2BwEemCjH%2Fo%2Fq3F78Z3TKx%2B2Ayevt%2FgLZ5 12uHfNV8ptpWgTmSZ5TqE7QLlGQtPFv0IlhUD%2BMEHy4%2B9L 9Ef00g8P%2FPcduojVF3qKQqN28MIbLlFO6tPF4lZiDSi05EoH F5L7pLp24%2BNSO41cDvdFXQqwuNOkIJ0XUePJca%2BFJ3TFwz OkMJVmK2oo0WO0xY7mtBzxMoY5xyrKxOffU2iCc6qIMwQakZVM YVKvoHbIh%2FKy%2FC3C0grul6FvabhecHs2kdoSZkLQf3sxMM nf37AGOrABIRvz7e4rR9Mb%2BfXD3t2Ga141WCdyjIHBbm8q7y 3Qm4dTJ9GfvNigYL2b2mrWlpd1%2BKiCG%2Bwm%2BJAswhh%2F Nw2NZy%2FvrVRGKon7DGuntVi2Oo9kSnRr7eVp1W9UgwkW9dep 3Xx7aMGfuOkjI23tP2sGvu88m%2BghyAst4jZepnq8TesJ7cCR 5iXs1dFmWMqeqYkGJk9P7ib9fyeUHV52zi2n1%2BMQxof5S%2B PwSQTZ5iqZssQ%3D&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22companies_house _document.pdf%22&X-Amz-Signature=ddc77409f9cfa609ce585293b6e30467f8f405f9 5e31a890af283af1e417cbcf
The idea we're paying 50k for Ramsey is extremely far fetched, as is the idea Swansea are paying an academy player 16k a week. Most of their first team aren't even on that

[J R Hartley]

Take out Aaron Ramsey and that's got to knock down the wage bill quite considerably

Robinson is on a good whack too

Let’s just take everyone out and then we will have a zero wage bill.

[City123]

If we're 6th, that puts us top of the teams that are not on parachute payments. I can't see it. I'm not saying it's not true, but there's definitely room for doubt. It's not like Siopis and Goutas are star players.
I reckon we're probably around about that. You have the relegated teams and then I imagine West Brom and Norwich above us, I'd assume we spend less than Boro and Hull as well. Beyond that I imagine the differences aren't that massive until you get to the newly promoted clubs

[Doucas]

We paid £22 million in wages the season before according to https://swissramble.substack.com/p/cardiff-city-finances-202223#:~:text=Cardiff%20dramatically%20reduced%20 their%20staff,%C2%A30.4m%20player%20impairment.

The majority of our wages are on players that Bulut didn't bring in. We won't be paying £65k a week for Phillips and I expect we will be having a big clear out this Summer.

Has a single Cardiff fan said we're like Rotherham when it comes to finances? The OP is talking nonsense.

[Rjk]

I don’t think 16k a week has been a “top championship player salary” for a while now.

Wolves had someone on 100k a week when they went up and that was nearly 7 years ago.

Whilst that is no doubt an exceptional outlier, I wouldn’t be surprised if top end championship players are in the 30k-50k a week range.

I know for a fact that a middling championship team had to push the boat out a couple of seasons ago to prevent their best 2 players leaving on a free, and they increased their highest salary to 17.5k to keep them.

outside the parachute payment clubs 16k is still a high wage for the championship

[blue matt]

£50k for Ramsey doesn't seem too farfetched.



he isnt on anywhere near that if what ive been told is true, not even close

[2b2bdoo]

I still don’t believe it but I think most of us knew the wages would shoot up while under the embargo, the flip side I’ve seen an article saying we are one of the best for points v transfer fee over the season. As usual truth somewhere in between.

[MOZZER2]

here you go 2b2bdoo

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[2b2bdoo]

Thanks, yeah that’s what I seen. I don’t think either article paint a fair reflection tbh.

[Madassa]

here you go 2b2bdoo


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Thats a fascinating analysis. I'm a bit pissed without my specs but if I read that right based on cost per victory us and QPR should be promoted and the Owls should win the play-offs.

I'd like to see the one for PL. Luton would've walked it.no doubt.

[Divine Wright]

Let’s just take everyone out and then we will have a zero wage bill.

Probably score more goals too

[the other bob wilson]

I don’t get how anyone can know current wage figures for each player in this season’s Championship when we’re months away from getting the Accounts of the clubs involved in the public domain. Are we really to believe that we’re spending more than £7 million than Hull? However, I’m in agreement with those who say the embargo had only a limited impact on our workin the summers transfer.window and, although I can’t prove it, I firmly believe that the money Bulut had available last summer was enough to have led to a much more attractive style of football, and equally successful in terms of results, than we’ve seen since late October if he was so minded.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Thats a fascinating analysis. I'm a bit pissed without my specs but if I read that right based on cost per victory us and QPR should be promoted and the Owls should win the play-offs.

I'd like to see the one for PL. Luton would've walked it.no doubt.

Amazing with an embargo too and lost the three best players, what a job!

[J R Hartley]

Amazing with an embargo too and lost the three best players, what a job!

:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

[North Cardiff Blue]

:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

Hope you're more awake today :hehe::thumbup:

[J R Hartley]

I don’t get how anyone can know current wage figures for each player in this season’s Championship when we’re months away from getting the Accounts of the clubs involved in the public domain. Are we really to believe that we’re spending more than £7 million than Hull? However, I’m in agreement with those who say the embargo had only a limited impact on our workin the summers transfer.window and, although I can’t prove it, I firmly believe that the money Bulut had available last summer was enough to have led to a much more attractive style of football, and equally successful in terms of results, than we’ve seen since late October if he was so minded.

Exactly. Signing two players on loan last summer that cost their parent clubs £15m and £4m. The EFL really come down hard on us with that embargo. :hehe:

[Hilts]

The embargo may have done us a favour.

We may have ended up paying out fees for ageing players from abroad.

Didnt Siopsis buy out his contract with his former club? I wonder what his signing on fee was?

I have read that we had to rely on scraps in the summer. Well Bowler , Panzo , Grant would have been taken I reckon by many in this league. Bulut also got that dreadful Runnarson who hed worked with before. Throw in Goutas , Siopsis , Ramsey and its clear hes hardly worked on a shoestring. Hes also been able to extend contracts on certain players.

[J R Hartley]

The embargo may have done us a favour.

We may have ended up paying out fees for ageing players from abroad.

Didnt Siopsis buy out his contract with his former club? I wonder what his signing on fee was?

I have read that we had to rely on scraps in the summer. Well Bowler , Panzo , Grant would have been taken I reckon by many in this league. Bulut also got that dreadful Runnarson who hed worked with before. Throw in Goutas , Siopsis , Ramsey and its clear hes hardly worked on a shoestring. Hes also been able to extend contracts on certain players.

:thumbup:

[North Cardiff Blue]

The embargo may have done us a favour.

We may have ended up paying out fees for ageing players from abroad.

Didnt Siopsis buy out his contract with his former club? I wonder what his signing on fee was?

I have read that we had to rely on scraps in the summer. Well Bowler , Panzo , Grant would have been taken I reckon by many in this league. Bulut also got that dreadful Runnarson who hed worked with before. Throw in Goutas , Siopsis , Ramsey and its clear hes hardly worked on a shoestring. Hes also been able to extend contracts on certain players.

You make some good points, he had to work hard to get players in a massively reduced pot, and we couldn't pay a fee for a player, it was a disadvantage but he made the most of a difficult situation.

Next season he will still be able to sign loans, but will also have the whole transfer market open and will be able to sign actual players from the overseas leagues that he knows so well. It's a much better situation and should lead to fewer duds like Panzo and Runnarson.

[J R Hartley]

You make some good points, he had to work hard to get players in a massively reduced pot, and we couldn't pay a fee for a player, it was a disadvantage but he made the most of a difficult situation.

Next season he will still be able to sign loans, but will also have the whole transfer market open and will be able to sign actual players from the overseas leagues that he knows so well. It's a much better situation and should lead to fewer duds like Panzo and Runnarson.

With any luck he wont be here next season to make any signings - loan or permanent.

[TWGL1]

With any luck he wont be here next season to make any signings - loan or permanent.

Who would you want as a replacement out of interest , as Bulut is highly regarded apparently

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/the-top-12-most-exciting-efl-managers-right-now-ranked/

I wouldn’t have thought Bulut wasn’t a cheap appointment and will be more expensive next year if he moves his family over from Germany.

His backroom team must be costing the club a bit aswell when you add on wages , accommodation costs , flights home etc.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Who would you want as a replacement out of interest , as Bulut is highly regarded apparently

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/the-top-12-most-exciting-efl-managers-right-now-ranked/

I wouldn’t have thought Bulut wasn’t a cheap appointment and will be more expensive next year if he moves his family over from Germany.

His backroom team must be costing the club a bit aswell when you add on wages , accommodation costs , flights home etc.

The problem is it's not who he wants it's who Tan and Dalman appoint, history tells us it's five bad appointments to every good one, Warnock was the last decent appointment before Bulut.

If he gets his wish it will be some daft useless ex-player, and he'll be moaning even more next season.

[J R Hartley]

Who would you want as a replacement out of interest , as Bulut is highly regarded apparently

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/the-top-12-most-exciting-efl-managers-right-now-ranked/

I wouldn’t have thought Bulut wasn’t a cheap appointment and will be more expensive next year if he moves his family over from Germany.

His backroom team must be costing the club a bit aswell when you add on wages , accommodation costs , flights home etc.

Craig Bellamy.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Craig Bellamy.

Would be perfectly happy with that.

[J R Hartley]

Would be perfectly happy with that.

It wont happen whilst Tan is here but the question was who would I want.

[2b2bdoo]

The embargo may have done us a favour.

We may have ended up paying out fees for ageing players from abroad.

Didnt Siopsis buy out his contract with his former club? I wonder what his signing on fee was?

I have read that we had to rely on scraps in the summer. Well Bowler , Panzo , Grant would have been taken I reckon by many in this league. Bulut also got that dreadful Runnarson who hed worked with before. Throw in Goutas , Siopsis , Ramsey and its clear hes hardly worked on a shoestring. Hes also been able to extend contracts on certain players.

Excellent post.
His job was to get the best of what we had, obviously limitations upfront but we had/have a very decent squad and I think we did well bringing players in during the summer considering.

Although I think it would be unfair for anyone to suggest the embargo helped us, we would have had a fraction of the players to choose from compared to other clubs.

[TWGL1]

Craig Bellamy.

Good shout that TBF

[NYCBlue]

Did I hear right today that Leeds owe £190 million in transfer fees at this time? How can that be right, basically they’ve bought a whole team but not paid for anyone yet? Great gamble for promotion, but if it’s doable why don’t we all do it?

Isn't that what they did before?

[Citizen's Nephew]

The embargo may have done us a favour.

We may have ended up paying out fees for ageing players from abroad.

Didnt Siopsis buy out his contract with his former club? I wonder what his signing on fee was?

I have read that we had to rely on scraps in the summer. Well Bowler , Panzo , Grant would have been taken I reckon by many in this league. Bulut also got that dreadful Runnarson who hed worked with before. Throw in Goutas , Siopsis , Ramsey and its clear hes hardly worked on a shoestring. Hes also been able to extend contracts on certain players.

I think the Wintle one has to have been an April fool….surely? Ralls was because it seems obligatory to keep him and he has a painting of himself in his attic.

[J R Hartley]

I think the Wintle one has to have been an April fool….surely? Ralls was because it seems obligatory to keep him and he has a painting of himself in his attic.

Thats the million dollar question for Buluts cult followers like Moz and NCB. If we are only playing this anti-football because Bulut cant get the players he wants until the summer, when we are not under embargo, and we dont have to pay over the odds in January, why are giving contracts to two players - Ralls and Wintle - who cant play the football he wants to play?

Add Siopis into the mix, another player who runs around like a headless chicken but struggles with passes beyond 10 yards, and when are we going to see this futsal style exciting football the likes Cardiff fans have never seen before?

its all a load of utter bollox. Hes a passive, negative, saftety first manager and the sooner we are rid the better.

[OurManFlint II]

Isn't that what they did before?

It was a new york times (i think) journalist that i read something ages ago about the next bubble, i think the global transfer fees owed is into the 10 billions, only takes 1 or 2 to fold and the whole system will collapse.

For the championship to be sustainable the average wage needs to be 4k a week, the sooner that is enforced the better. In Spain you have to present your figure in advance and they tell you how much you can spend, its working to stop clubs over spending.

Cardiff could potentially finish as high as 7th, so if we are 6th highest paying that's not bad at all given where we were last year. Again, finishing 8th or 9th would also not be a failure, given the long game in football.

I understand the football is sh1te but this anti-Bulut post using everything they can possibly scrape up to validate their observations is weird. The football is shit, we are having a more successful season, that's it, can we move on.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Thats the million dollar question for Buluts cult followers like Moz and NCB. If we are only playing this anti-football because Bulut cant get the players he wants until the summer, when we are not under embargo, and we dont have to pay over the odds in January, why are giving contracts to two players - Ralls and Wintle - who cant play the football he wants to play?

Add Siopis into the mix, another player who runs around like a headless chicken but struggles with passes beyond 10 yards, and when are we going to see this futsal style exciting football the likes Cardiff fans have never seen before?

its all a load of utter bollox. Hes a passive, negative, saftety first manager and the sooner we are rid the better.

Solid steady reliable squad players, we would have struggled without those three this season, and they have value, we could get some sort of fee if he can get better then move them on.

[North Cardiff Blue]

It was a new york times (i think) journalist that i read something ages ago about the next bubble, i think the global transfer fees owed is into the 10 billions, only takes 1 or 2 to fold and the whole system will collapse.

For the championship to be sustainable the average wage needs to be 4k a week, the sooner that is enforced the better. In Spain you have to present your figure in advance and they tell you how much you can spend, its working to stop clubs over spending.

Cardiff could potentially finish as high as 7th, so if we are 6th highest paying that's not bad at all given where we were last year. Again, finishing 8th or 9th would also not be a failure, given the long game in football.

I understand the football is sh1te but this anti-Bulut post using everything they can possibly scrape up to validate their observations is weird. The football is shit, we are having a more successful season, that's it, can we move on.

Great post most real fans can see it, there are only a few hardcore posters on here against him but they make the most noise and are like a nuns knickers they are always on!

[Citizen's Nephew]

Thats the million dollar question for Buluts cult followers like Moz and NCB. If we are only playing this anti-football because Bulut cant get the players he wants until the summer, when we are not under embargo, and we dont have to pay over the odds in January, why are giving contracts to two players - Ralls and Wintle - who cant play the football he wants to play?

Add Siopis into the mix, another player who runs around like a headless chicken but struggles with passes beyond 10 yards, and when are we going to see this futsal style exciting football the likes Cardiff fans have never seen before?

its all a load of utter bollox. Hes a passive, negative, saftety first manager and the sooner we are rid the better.

I think I'm at the stage now when I just want this season to end. We are safe (brilliant of course) and I'm very pleased for the club and the coffers. As for the fans, it's been dire to watch. Horrible football. I was just messing around on Eric's thread saying I don't care how we score goals next season just so long as we do and we score more than the opposition at more than a few of our home games. I'm that beaten down.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Craig Bellamy.

How have you got a signal on Fantasy Island :hehe:

[Citizen's Nephew]

Great post most real fans can see it, there are only a few hardcore posters on here against him but they make the most noise and are like a nuns knickers they are always on!

Hahaha! I pay for my season tickets with chocolate buttons. You live on here. I'm not complaining. I'm glad you're somewhere where you're supervised! :hehe::ayatollah:

[J R Hartley]

Solid steady reliable squad players, we would have struggled without those three this season, and they have value, we could get some sort of fee if he can get better then move them on.

This season has got f*ck all to do with extending their contracts for future years to come.

"If he can get better move them on". Yeah cos we are so good at moving on players surplus to requirements arent we? I mean, we are never saddled with average players draining the wagebill are we?

And you say im on fantasy island then youre talking about getting fees for Wintel and Ralls. :hehe:

[North Cardiff Blue]

This season has got f*ck all to do with extending their contracts for future years to come.

"If he can get better move them on". Yeah cos we are so good at moving on players surplus to requirements arent we? I mean, we are never saddled with average players draining the wagebill are we?

And you say im on fantasy island then youre talking about getting fees for Wintel and Ralls. :hehe:

youre talking about getting fees for Wintel and Ralls - You may have a point there :hehe: