Cost of living crisis.
Austerity.
Constant ways of reducing public spending to the point where essential services are under threat.
Why is life, for those at the bottom of the ladder, always harder for those under a Tory government.
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Cost of living crisis.
Austerity.
Constant ways of reducing public spending to the point where essential services are under threat.
Why is life, for those at the bottom of the ladder, always harder for those under a Tory government.
Because those at the bottom of the ladder in general don't vote in the numbers those higher up do so they are not punished as much for being horrible by those that are affectedQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
It's noticeable that the conservatives gave the go ahead for the furlough scheme during covid because although it went totally against their philosophy of being tight gits .....
The còvid affected everybody , especially their core voters and ....if they hadn't done it their would have been rioting in the streets
Again those on
Universal credit ......lower
Down the ladder .....had a few extra quid for a year or so but as soon as they could the Tories snatched it off them ......again they could get away with it .....but mess about with the core voters and they suddenly find the cash .....eg furlough
What makes me laugh is that the Tories tell their voters oh we will cut taxes for you , vote for us
Then the services these tories get from local councils are cut because money from central government is reduced
And these same people then moan about crap services from councils .....
I hope to christ the penny drops one day
Be fair Eric, looks like we’re going to get a pre election tax cut tomorrow because of how they’ve managed to “halve inflation”.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
It's O. K TOBW, you don't have to pretend, early retirement and your top up state pension is safe, life's good isn't it?. On my way to work to pay in some more contributions towards your early retirement I'm not bitter, happy to help 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
And that ladies and gentleman is what is known as playing the man, rather than the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Because Tories and the people that vote for them only care about themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Blair - did he only care about himself ? , what about Lord Kinnock, MP pension, MEP pension, EU commissioner pension (whilst employing his son and his wife) before they also both became MEPs - a real man of the people there.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
How about Geoff Hoon with his private consultancy work whilst defence secretary, Mandelson and the cash for passports - the list is endless on both sides.
Rachel Reeves and her own book - copy and pasted from wikipedia, or perhaps the leadership skills or Angie Raynor - cant wait for that sh1t show to happen.
Gordon announces he has ended boom and bust - just before he bust's the economy with his light hand on the finance regs. Once you have been around the block a few times your start to see the pattern. 12 years in power for Blair / Brown - 13 years for the tories - too much for any party. Yet in Wales we have 26 years of Labour....
Is this true though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I'm sure there's an interesting debate to be had, but it's unlikely when the starting point is the scenario outlined.
Is post covid Tory Britain worse than post financial crisis Labour Britain?
Is Tory Britain worse than Social Democrat Germany or Socialist Party Spain or Portugal, or centrist France?
Do we actually have austerity now?
Did Labour oppose austerity a decade ago?
Is life at the bottom really harder now than 12, 15 years ago?
If so, are these all the result of the UK govt or are other factors at play?
Where we remove the Tories from many policies such as in Wales, do there problems get much better?
I'm sure there's an interesting debate to be had, but it's unlikely when the starting point is the scenario outlined.
To answer
Is post covid Tory Britain worse than post financial crisis Labour Britain? - no
Is Tory Britain worse than Social Democrat Germany or Socialist Party Spain or Portugal, or centrist France? no - possibly worst in Germany
Do we actually have austerity now? - no I dont belileve so - see below though.
Did Labour oppose austerity a decade ago? - yes
Is life at the bottom really harder now than 12, 15 years ago? - inflation caused by various external factors didnt help but coming bacj down to within range now.
If so, are these all the result of the UK govt or are other factors at play? - other factors as we know, Covid, Ukraine, Brexit uncertainty - now mostly gone.
Where we remove the Tories from many policies such as in Wales, do there problems get much better? - worse. Labour over spent the budget by 900,000,000 (20% of the budget I think) and has now cut every one of the Senedd's dept spending - apart from climate change. Drakeford doing his own austerity now.
That's more or less my assessment. Although Labour did support austerity, although perhaps it wouldn't have continued as long under them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
I don't think we are remotely better off living in Wales. Not one bit, perhaps aside from the generally cheaper housing.
There's a lot of societal changes too that have happened in the last decade or more. Now the govt could (and in my opinion should) have mitigated these more, but things like mobile phones, the internet, technological changes, WFH, even social media, Instagram etc..it changes how we interact and is making us unhappier IMO.
None of it means the govt come off scot-free. Not at all. I just don't think its much better elsewhere and I don't think it would be much different under another govt.
This idea of a "tory cost of living crisis". That basically ignores the millions and millions of people essentially experiencing the same issues across the whole of the west
As sure as Tuesday follows Monday the ccmb young conservatives appear with the yeah but no but yeah what about bollocks
It's nauseating
Tax cuts ......oh blimey an election is on its way , the tories are cutting tax when the public finances are in a fecking load of pig swill
Absolute snake oil salesmen and complete chancers
I can't wait till they get leathered at the election , poor old penny mordant with her pathetic stand up and fight clown show
Bunch of liars
Why not answer some of the points ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
As well as compare to how we are doing in terms of cancer wait times, education results, 'road building', infrastructure, Senedd budget cuts - that sort of thing..
Answer the questions without insulting the posters asking them. Now that would be a fine thing!Quote:
Originally Posted by pipster
It’s difficult not to insult Tories. Evil is evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Because they aren't very good at adapting to different situations, conservatism is basically the application of low risk policies that have always just about worked. They don't take into account extraordinary circumstances so for example, when debt was super cheap, they weren't borrowing to build, they were cutting and celebrating those cuts as if they were winning.
The main problem is however that the UK is in terminal decline, hastened by brexit and we all have very little to look forward to.
People seem so numb to the fact that real terms incomes for middle earners have reduced so drastically in 10 years that it is pretty much unprecedented. Rising prices, frozen tax bands and below inflation pay rises eventually mean you can't afford a loaf of bread with your monthly take home, at some point this has to reverse otherwise the future is inevitable.
Oh and house prices, it's a perfect storm of shit.
Yup acknowledged, been the victim myself on occasions so I thought I'd join the party. Apologies if any offence taken I was being mischievous,Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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Originally Posted by JamesWales
I am not interesting in political debate with tory boysQuote:
Originally Posted by pipster
You lot are weasels with more faces that a town hall clock
I can't be having anything to do with these ferretsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
Fancy sitting in a cafe having a cuppa with someone who is going to vote for cuts to welfare and social services .....
It's like sleeping with the enemy