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And people say we need an identity.
We have one. We physically dominate teams which then allows us to score goals, loads of them.
'The Caaaardiff way'
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It is still hoofball.
There is undoubted quality up front though.
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Jimmy the Jock
It is still hoofball.
There is undoubted quality up front though.
Nothing wrong with good quality hoofball.
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Jimmy the Jock
It is still hoofball.
There is undoubted quality up front though.
I think hoofball is a tad harsh. We’ve got players a lot closer to Moore, full backs higher up the pitch. Under Warnock we’d have everyone in our half except the striker and then just smash the ball up to him. Hope to win a long throw or free kick/corner.
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Former Labour leader
And people say we need an identity.
We have one. We physically dominate teams which then allows us to score goals, loads of them.
'The Caaaardiff way'
I think the problem is transferring that (or not) to the prem.
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J R Hartley
I think hoofball is a tad harsh. We’ve got players a lot closer to Moore, full backs higher up the pitch. Under Warnock we’d have everyone in our half except the striker and then just smash the ball up to him. Hope to win a long throw or free kick/corner.
Yes, there's a directness about it, but it's done in a very calculated way. Most exciting stuff seen by the side since we won promotion.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Yes, there's a directness about it, but it's done in a very calculated way. Most exciting stuff seen by the side since we won promotion.
Well done to Mick not bad football at all.
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Jimmy the Jock
It is still hoofball.
There is undoubted quality up front though.
They're not aimlessly lumping it forwards. We'd never score the second goal under Warnock. Moore doesn't half help though, what a player. You can kick it near him, and he'll come down with it to give you a platform to play.
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Its direct, but its not hoofball
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Jimmy the Jock
It is still hoofball.
There is undoubted quality up front though.
The way Ng and Bennett are making their presence felt in our opponent’s half is moving us away from the hoofball label. We’ve become far less direct of late, some wonderful football leading up to our goals rather than the crash, bang, wallop of recent times.
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splott parker
The way Ng and Bennett are making their presence felt in our opponent’s half is moving us away from the hoofball label. We’ve become far less direct of late, some wonderful football leading up to our goals rather than the crash, bang, wallop of recent times.
Could not have put it better myself
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splott parker
The way Ng and Bennett are making their presence felt in our opponent’s half is moving us away from the hoofball label. We’ve become far less direct of late, some wonderful football leading up to our goals rather than the crash, bang, wallop of recent times.
Its still hoofball .
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splott parker
The way Ng and Bennett are making their presence felt in our opponent’s half is moving us away from the hoofball label. We’ve become far less direct of late, some wonderful football leading up to our goals rather than the crash, bang, wallop of recent times.
we seem to be scoring more from open play as well.
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We look very sharp up front .
Direct :hehe:
Its hit and hope , thankfully we have quality up front .
I guess points on the board are being misconstrued to fit the agenda.
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I definitely wouldn’t call it hit and hope
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Jimmy the Jock
We look very sharp up front .
Direct :hehe:
Its hit and hope , thankfully we have quality up front .
I guess points on the board are being misconstrued to fit the agenda.
Aye, Wilson hit it to Murphy and Murphy hoped his shot would go in. Moore hoped his eye catching diving header would go in from a lovely cross, only for the excellent following up by Pack allowed him to hit it in. Yep hit & hope followed by hope & hit:hehe:
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Warnock, Harris and now MM have all based their play on no nonsense defending, getting it forward as quickly as possible and forward players doing the business. Harris built on this using wing-backs and Tomlin, but in second season lost both the advantage of defensive solidity and that central creativity; MM has has recaptured no nonsense defending but also given central midfielders some confidence of recycling the ball if chance is not immediately on - at least at times. Don't think you can watch Flint and Nelson and say we're not still hoofball, but two playing risk-free and rest trying to play football is the opposite proportions of what Warnock left us with even if personal and possession stats not that different.
Games are going to get tougher and will be interesting to see if players like Vaulks revert to aimless balls forward when under more pressure, and it should also be said that our front three are more talented than previous versions, but so far the development in style of play is one for the pros list of whether MM should be given a longer contract.
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Goals are the most exciting part of the game, if we are scoring then the style on which they are achieved is secondary for me.
I'd love us to play like Man City, but it isn't happening and at the moment I'm enjoying our matches a lot more than the likes of Preston, who played had a lot of the ball but did little with it and had the desire and work rate of an old cat.
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City123
Its direct, but its not hoofball
Exactly and who gives a shit as long as we are winning.
The thought of going to the Premier League and bullying teams and allowing the quality to win the games fills me with joy.
Possession and number of passes mean **** all, win games.
Vaulks puts it very well here
https://youtu.be/eCi0Lot9A1g
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Pedro de la Rosa
They're not aimlessly lumping it forwards. We'd never score the second goal under Warnock. Moore doesn't half help though, what a player. You can kick it near him, and he'll come down with it to give you a platform to play.
Generally, that is true. Perhaps with the exception of Vaulks, his distribtion yesterday which rubbish. Hagic Mick's comment was telling " You have to be good a winning the ball becuase you give it away so often". Hw does have other things to his game though!
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Pedro de la Rosa
They're not aimlessly lumping it forwards. We'd never score the second goal under Warnock. Moore doesn't half help though, what a player. You can kick it near him, and he'll come down with it to give you a platform to play.
Our entire game depends on Moore playing up front. It didn't matter yesterday, but I don't think we won a single aerial duel in the opposition half after Mark Harris replaced him, which meant that our long balls were just handing possession back to Preston.
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Garth Blue
Generally, that is true. Perhaps with the exception of Vaulks, his distribtion yesterday which rubbish. Hagic Mick's comment was telling " You have to be good a winning the ball becuase you give it away so often". Hw does have other things to his game though!
Vaulks wasn't great yesterday. He must have mishit at least five or six passes.
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UNDERHILL1927
Exactly and who gives a shit as long as we are winning.
The thought of going to the Premier League and bullying teams and allowing the quality to win the games fills me with joy.
Possession and number of passes mean **** all, win games.
Vaulks puts it very well here
https://youtu.be/eCi0Lot9A1g
If you can beat teams by putting it behind them and putting them under pressure you should do it. If you're struggling to get yourself into the game with that tactic you should look to keep hold of the ball and identify where their weakness as opposed to allowing them to constantly run past your midfield when you kick/long throw it back to them.
I thought Preston opened us up at times yesterday and the main difference in the first half was Moore being a much better player than Ched Evans. Preston couldn't cope with us in second half, despite almost being gifted a way back into things, so our tactics were right for this game but that doesn't mean the same tactics will deliver best chance of beating Bournemouth, Boro, Stoke, Watford and Swansea over next couple of games or staying up if we do get promoted. Need more in our locker.