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"Conservatism has gone rogue and lost touch with the rest of us"
Excellent piece by Will Hutton in the Guardian.
Unusual to get a moderate like Hutton attacking the current direction of the Tory party in such scathing terms.
He makes some great points. Is it the SNP who are the greatest threat to the union or Cameron's Tory party?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/03/english -conservatism-gone-rogue-country-suffers?utm_source=dlvr.it& amp;utm_medium=twitter
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Interesting article Alf and I wouldn't disagree with a lot of it but Will Hutton is hardly an unbiased observer.
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Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 08:46
Excellent piece by Will Hutton in the Guardian.
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Originally Posted by NECS wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 08:57
Interesting article Alf and I wouldn't disagree with a lot of it but Will Hutton is hardly an unbiased observer.
This is explosive stuff by his standards.
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Interesting article..
Won't change the entrenched Party Political viewpoints of party political bottom feeders (as is already evident above), but food for thought for those capable of rational thinking and making descisions.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 08:58
Excellent piece by Will Hutton in the Guardian.
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Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 08:46
Unusual to get a moderate like Hutton attacking the current direction of the Tory party in such scathing terms.
Yet another stunning comeback argument from Croesy, littered with counterpoints.
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^^
The Tory Dame has scuttled off now, before he has to substatiate his emoticon in any written manner that doesn't sound like a man who thinks he's watching a 'rugger match'.
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Is that a great article because I agree with virtually every word of it or is it because it's something that needed to be said written by what appears to be a true British patriot? On balance, I think it's the latter, it's thought provoking stuff that, probably, will never reach those who I believe most need to read it.
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The normal everyday people need to get their act together and form a credible alternative.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 09:42
The normal everyday people need to get their act together and form a credible alternative.
But (the road to) 'power corrupts'?
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If Ed miliband puts David Cameron back into Downing Street by refusing to talk to the snp and plaid- and vote with them even when they share policies and values- if he is really that tribal about labour- then it is him and labour who are putting the union at most risk.
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Originally Posted by alfie sherwood wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 08:46
Excellent piece by Will Hutton in the Guardian.
I genuinely can't remember Cameron going to Scotland apart from the "you might want to vote to give the effing tories a good kicking" speech he had about 2 weeks before the referendum.
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It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
Centre right values are different from centre left values and it's not necessarily about money. That's something those on the left can't seem to grasp.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
So is Hutton saying it's all about money?
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
My father, who was staunch Labour until the day he died, always said that the Tories would never get in if they didn't rely on a large working class vote and sadly that's as true today as it always was.
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Originally Posted by Father Dougal wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:02
If Ed miliband puts David Cameron back into Downing Street by refusing to talk to the snp and plaid- and vote with them even when they share policies and values- if he is really that tribal about labour- then it is him and labour who are putting the union at most risk.
Wales, Scotland and Moderate England should join together and create a new country, and while we are at it build a big wall around the Tory heartlands to keep them out. Then we can get back to doing what we are good at - making and inventing things.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
It seems that is an element which others - seemingly you? - fail to 'grasp'.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/27/why-privatis ation-is-the-key-to-the-election
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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:53
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
Centre right values are different from centre left values and it's not necessarily about money. That's something those on the left can't seem to grasp.
The Tory party will barely exist as a political force in 20 years time, that is why they are in a mad rush to sell everything off.
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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:31
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
Centre right values are different from centre left values and it's not necessarily about money. That's something those on the left can't seem to grasp.
No, but generally the left make that spurious claim. I also don't see how someone sharing your values makes them a patriot, unless you're using that term in the historical tory v patriot sense
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
I have never understood why people on the right are constntly in denial about their views. I am proud to say i am on the left. I am proud to say that i am in favour of equality and social justice. Why do people like the BNP constantly deny they are racist and tories deny they are about self interest. I just dont get it. Perhaps deep down they know they have something to be ashamed of.
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Originally Posted by Vimana. wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:52
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article.
What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
Centre right values are different from centre left values and it's not necessarily about money. That's something those on the left can't seem to grasp.
The end goals are the same, they just approach it differently. Both parties mean well and look for what thry think is the best way to achieve that end goal
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 11:12
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
Centre right values are different from centre left values and it's not necessarily about money. That's something those on the left can't seem to grasp.
What we have now is an elite selfish group who just want to help each other.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 11:15
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article.
What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
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Originally Posted by Vimana. wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:52
Centre right values are different from centre left values and it's not necessarily about money. That's something those on the left can't seem to grasp.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
It is about money - certainly to some degree or another.
You say you can't get your head around it, someone explains it to you and for some reason you take it as a personal slight and say "I'm well aware of why people vote thanks. There is no need for the lecture."
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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 11:12
It's interesting to see the left wing posters think it's a thought provoking article. What I cant get my head around is how a party that regularly attracts 35-38% of the popular vote can be considered a party for the rich only. It's a cheap label that isn't born in reality.
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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Sun, 03 May 2015 10:28
Centre right values are different from centre left values and it's not necessarily about money. That's something those on the left can't seem to grasp.
You also make out that having self interest is a poor quality to have. The truth is you need self interest and you also need to have a social conscience and the ability to help others. Just because people choose to help others in a different way to you doesn't mean they aren't helping.
