Corbyn barred from standing for Labour

Quite a move for a UK party to bar someone who was leader only a few years ago.

I'm no fan of his, but mainly because of the general toxicity and baggage that comes with him. It does seem somewhat harsh perhaps. And I'm not sure it's wise. Labour are on the road to power in a few years and this potentially risks it.

Many people (myself included) are more likely to vote Labour without him in charge but I'm not sure that barring him from standing changes that likelihood, whereas for many left wingers it will, esp if there is momentum behind him (and others?) standing as independents.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65102128

This has been inevitable for at least 6 months when 'sources' close to Starmer started briefing the press that this was coming.

This right wing, authoritarian, undemocratic, ineffective Labour Party is very hard to support in any way. They represent the worst of Blairism without the charisma or competence. Every leadership election promise by Starmer has been shredded. He has suppressed or ignored the Forde report, defended apartheid, gone missing in action during workers' struggles for fair pay and conditions, pandered to the interests of big finance, wrapped himself in any bloody flag he can find, and has the personality and presence of a plank.

I still intend to vote for my local Labour candidate, but that intention becomes harder to keep every passing week. Labour doesn't want socialists amongst its membership but still expects our votes!

Hopefully Corbyn stands as an independent and wins by a landslide.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

This has been inevitable for at least 6 months when 'sources' close to Starmer started briefing the press that this was coming.

This right wing, authoritarian, undemocratic, ineffective Labour Party is very hard to support in any way. They represent the worst of Blairism without the charisma or competence. Every leadership election promise by Starmer has been shredded. He has suppressed or ignored the Forde report, defended apartheid, gone missing in action during workers' struggles for fair pay and conditions, pandered to the interests of big finance, wrapped himself in any bloody flag he can find, and has the personality and presence of a plank.

I still intend to vote for my local Labour candidate, but that intention becomes harder to keep every passing week. Labour doesn't want socialists amongst its membership but still expects our votes!

Hopefully Corbyn stands as an independent and wins by a landslide.

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They’re taking the left for granted like they always do when they try and take “the middle ground”, but Starmer seems determined to wind them up - never been a big Corbyn fan, but I agree about him retaining his seat in Islington North.

Don't like Corbyn, but disagree with this decision. Parties should be a broad church.

This is a big risk as he is on record as backing JC and not long ago , it's not as if he didn't know JC and his beliefs ..

I'm no JC fan, but this is very undemocratic.. and doesn't fit with inclusiveness that Labour trots out year on year ..

Condems strikes ?
Condems JC ?
Is Labour UKIP on the way ?
Will the polls drop for Labour ?
Will Luciana Berger stand against Corbyn. Lol ?

I'd vote for Lucian Berger as leader in a flash..

Margaret Hodge on radio today challenging Momentum Jon Lansman vocal views . ??

Diane's doing the media rounds now ..

It was going so well for Labour , poor decision by Sir Bier's team makes him looks very weak , all part's of the party should be allowed to stand as they have always have however radical or loopy they sound

..wonder what Gary The Other Opposition Leader thinks as he has similar views a JC on immigration ....

JC served party for 40 years ..

Suppose clause 1 kicking in if one reads it .

Where is Ange in all this ??? How did she vote ???

Can't wait to hear from the( anti Tory Blair lite haters ) hopefully they will stick to thier core socialist principles , and not vote for Starmers new Tory Lite Blair party ..

Incredible..

I wouldn't expect anything less from a globalist like KS when a one world government is the ultimate goal. Besides that, democracy died when all the major political parties started vetting local candidates at central office level, so there will be no more Corbyn or Skinner types in the future. The only hope is the formation of a united people's party, but the opposition from the 'tubbies would be enormous.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

This has been inevitable for at least 6 months when 'sources' close to Starmer started briefing the press that this was coming.

This right wing, authoritarian, undemocratic, ineffective Labour Party is very hard to support in any way. They represent the worst of Blairism without the charisma or competence. Every leadership election promise by Starmer has been shredded. He has suppressed or ignored the Forde report, defended apartheid, gone missing in action during workers' struggles for fair pay and conditions, pandered to the interests of big finance, wrapped himself in any bloody flag he can find, and has the personality and presence of a plank.

I still intend to vote for my local Labour candidate, but that intention becomes harder to keep every passing week. Labour doesn't want socialists amongst its membership but still expects our votes!

Hopefully Corbyn stands as an independent and wins by a landslide.

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Great post jon, completely agree. I would have liked him to form his own party and see how it went.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Great post jon, completely agree. I would have liked him to form his own party and see how it went.

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It would have to be a left/right coalition based on policies that benefit the people, and not the global corporations.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

I wouldn't expect anything less from a globalist like KS when a one world government is the ultimate goal. Besides that, democracy died when all the major political parties started vetting local candidates at central office level, so there will be no more Corbyn or Skinner types in the future. The only hope is the formation of a united people's party, but the opposition from the 'tubbies would be enormous.

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Momentum should look inwardly and take aboard thier tactics and agenda chased away a lot of Labour voters , which resulted in a daft 80 seat majority it wssnt just Brexit as Corbyn and Momentum was not the most convincing remainer, carrying out thier own local clever vetting and culling along woth poor social media attacks..

If JC goes alone , it will be a landslide but not his .. as he splits Labour between Tory Left Lite v Labour Left .

Groundhog day .. approaches as the Tories will recall when they were haunted by UKIP...

Such fun....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65102128

While running for leader of the Labour party, Sir Keir said Labour "should end NEC impositions of candidates" on local associations.

In a tweet, Sir Keir said local party members should select their candidates for every election.

I can't see Corbyn forming a new party. He has long argued against such things and is committed to the Labour party representing his view of things..What I could see happening is him standing as an independent as part of a coalition of other independents that share a set of opinions and who would see themselves as the Labour party outside of the official party

Theoretically they could win several seats and commit to voting with any future Labour govt to try and swing things their way.

The alternative is they split the vote, or they make Labour denounce them which would probably lose Labour more votes to them, although likely gain more from people keen to see Labour reject the left.

It's a tricky one but I would have thought the easier thing to do is to leave him in, let him stand, take the criticism for it (which would be significant) and just keep him out of cabinet positions in any future Labour govts.

Interesting situation anyway. Could see something similar happening to Boris in future with the Conservatives.

Nothing have changed my mind to stop me Spoiling my vote again….none of the above on the ballot paper I preach.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Quite a move for a UK party to bar someone who was leader only a few years ago.

I'm no fan of his, but mainly because of the general toxicity and baggage that comes with him. It does seem somewhat harsh perhaps. And I'm not sure it's wise. Labour are on the road to power in a few years and this potentially risks it.

Many people (myself included) are more likely to vote Labour without him in charge but I'm not sure that barring him from standing changes that likelihood, whereas for many left wingers it will, esp if there is momentum behind him (and others?) standing as independents.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65102128

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For the last 40 odd years - JC has voted against his own party hundreds of times. When on the back benches he has voted just about anything and everything that any govt wanted to pass into law.

High principles indeed - so when it came to his turn to 'av a go' - he failed - and he failed miserably - as if he could have expected anything else. There were quite a few old scores to settle.

Writing the foreword to that book just high lighted his inability on every level.

Corbyn was the militant tendency of hi sera - created a party within a party - and woe betide any labour politician that went against. He failed at trying to be the very thing he claimed to have been fighting against. A pub warrior who blames everyone else but himself. Like Ken Livingston seemingly wanting to bring AH into any debate he can - and then wonders why he was also chucked out.

Corbyn should be left to his own devices on the back benches - where basically he is the Dai Hunt of Westminster.... in fact given a choice Dai Hunt would get my vote over Corbyn

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Great post jon, completely agree. I would have liked him to form his own party and see how it went.

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About 5 seats

Good luck with that

The plan has to be to get the Tories out then get starmer out

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Originally Posted by pipster

For the last 40 odd years - JC has voted against his own party hundreds of times. When on the back benches he has voted just about anything and everything that any govt wanted to pass into law.

High principles indeed - so when it came to his turn to 'av a go' - he failed - and he failed miserably - as if he could have expected anything else. There were quite a few old scores to settle.

Writing the foreword to that book just high lighted his inability on every level.

Corbyn was the militant tendency of hi sera - created a party within a party - and woe betide any labour politician that went against. He failed at trying to be the very thing he claimed to have been fighting against. A pub warrior who blames everyone else but himself. Like Ken Livingston seemingly wanting to bring AH into any debate he can - and then wonders why he was also chucked out.

Corbyn should be left to his own devices on the back benches - where basically he is the Dai Hunt of Westminster.... in fact given a choice Dai Hunt would get my vote over Corbyn

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Benn , Corbyn , Skinner , Heffer , Abbott , Grant

They love talking about things and giving speeches at fringe meetings but that sort of government is never going to be elected

A left of centre government is the only hope for those that don't vote Tory and pissing about with corbyn and his disciples is just giving votes to the tories

It's no good having a broad church of a party and lots of factions if you never get elected !

Sticking up for corbyn just let's the conservatives in the back door .....again !

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Benn , Corbyn , Skinner , Heffer , Abbott , Grant

They love talking about things and giving speeches at fringe meetings but that sort of government is never going to be elected

A left of centre government is the only hope for those that don't vote Tory and pissing about with corbyn and his disciples is just giving votes to the tories

It's no good having a broad church of a party and lots of factions if you never get elected !

Sticking up for corbyn just let's the conservatives in the back door .....again !

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I cant ever remember a far left govt being voted in or even a true socialist govt (maybe Wilson was the last one). Blair just left of centre (turned out to be a deranged war monger - that cost my mate his life) and introduced student fees (which I sort of agreed with)

It's a little more interesting in Scotland though, first ever Islamic leader in the UK (that I know) and ticks every box of the woke advent calendar - pun intended) and the person who just lost out an anti gay marriage religious type. The SNP will be in knots for years over the trans issue / gay marriage. From the handful of Scots I know - they cant stand the SNP anymore.

So maybe it's not all over for Starma and I certinaly wouldnt rule out Sunak at the next election.

12 years in power is too long for any party - especially Labour have been in power at the Assembly for 26 years come the next welsh election.

Need a change alround

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Originally Posted by pipster

I cant ever remember a far left govt being voted in or even a true socialist govt (maybe Wilson was the last one). Blair just left of centre (turned out to be a deranged war monger - that cost my mate his life) and introduced student fees (which I sort of agreed with)

It's a little more interesting in Scotland though, first ever Islamic leader in the UK (that I know) and ticks every box of the woke advent calendar - pun intended) and the person who just lost out an anti gay marriage religious type. The SNP will be in knots for years over the trans issue / gay marriage. From the handful of Scots I know - they cant stand the SNP anymore.

So maybe it's not all over for Starma and I certinaly wouldnt rule out Sunak at the next election.

12 years in power is too long for any party - especially Labour have been in power at the Assembly for 26 years come the next welsh election.

Need a change alround

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Wilson left ??

No he was a canny baby Blair, what socalist would closed 253 pits , more than twice as many as Maggies paltry 115.. and he rated John I'm off Stonehouse , who was the Blair that never was ..

Never realised that about Wilson and the pit closures