New Tory Leader Before Next Election ?

Do you think they will ditch Mr. Sunak before the next election
or that they are so far behind they will let him take the hit and replace him as soon as in opposition ?

I think the Tories have already accepted the lashing, will just accept it
then dust themselves down and go again!!!.

He'll take the hit.
There's no point in any prospective new leader putting themselves forward before the election, as they'll be challenged themselves afterwards.

I am not voting for the xxxxs

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I am not voting for the xxxxs

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Shurrup ya big tart

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Shurrup ya big tart

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He has a laminated picture of Rishi on the inside of his closet (secret bromance) just too scared to embrace it.

Unlikely I think. Even if you wanted to remove him (and many in the Tory party probably do) then why would you do it when you are facing a likely defeat in less than a years time?

It's much easier to be in opposition, so if you want a change, wait for him to probably lose, then probably resign and then try to rebuild the party in your image.

I guess the argument against that is that some people who are plotting may be out of jobs themselves if the defeat is to the level the polls currently predict.

Personally I still think the polls will tighten somewhat, mainly as the economy overcomes many of its post covid and post Ukraine issues. We shall see though, I thought they may have tightened a little by now tbh

No chance.

The Tories are going to lose the election and they will lose even more badly if they change leader again. The policies and personalities barely matter any more. The key thing is the public's perception of Tory division, incompetence and failure. More division and yet another brutal leadership election campaign with a bunch of talentless narcissists trying to knife each other won't improve the numbers!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

No chance.

The Tories are going to lose the election and they will lose even more badly if they change leader again. The policies and personalities barely matter any more. The key thing is the public's perception of Tory division, incompetence and failure. More division and yet another brutal leadership election campaign with a bunch of talentless narcissists trying to knife each other won't improve the numbers!

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Thinking about it, I think Jons assessment of 'no chance's is actually far closer to the truth than my assessment of 'unlikely'

It ain't gonna happen. Even the emergence of some huge scandal that bought him down..in that case now we would have a General Election, probably with Sam Allardyce in temporary charge of the Tories.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Unlikely I think. Even if you wanted to remove him (and many in the Tory party probably do) then why would you do it when you are facing a likely defeat in less than a years time?

It's much easier to be in opposition, so if you want a change, wait for him to probably lose, then probably resign and then try to rebuild the party in your image.

I guess the argument against that is that some people who are plotting may be out of jobs themselves if the defeat is to the level the polls currently predict.

Personally I still think the polls will tighten somewhat, mainly as the economy overcomes many of its post covid and post Ukraine issues. We shall see though, I thought they may have tightened a little by now tbh

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Why, their antics are getting worse? Why would polls have tightened?

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Why, their antics are getting worse? Why would polls have tightened?

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Well I don't think most people would think they are. And also because the severe economic issues are likely to be better in the next year than over the last

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Shurrup ya big tart

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You must be devastated

It's looking like an absolute kicking

Reform the only alternative for libertarian nutcases like you these days

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Originally Posted by jon1959

No chance.

The Tories are going to lose the election and they will lose even more badly if they change leader again. The policies and personalities barely matter any more. The key thing is the public's perception of Tory division, incompetence and failure. More division and yet another brutal leadership election campaign with a bunch of talentless narcissists trying to knife each other won't improve the numbers!

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Or it's just cyclical and Labour's turn, OR people are unhappy with the immigration rates, so the working class Conservative redwall in the North is going to crumble and the traditional vote in the shires won't bother voting as was the case in recent by elections.
The recent by-elections weren't so much enthusiasm for Starmer's Labour, just uninspired Conservative voters staying home. I think Starmer is going to last 1 term, the papers are going to have a field day with the likes of Angela Reynor in power, although his plan to concrete all over the green belt with house building projects may boost the economy enough short term, giving him a success to boast about on a re election campaign

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Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927

Or it's just cyclical and Labour's turn, OR people are unhappy with the immigration rates, so the working class Conservative redwall in the North is going to crumble and the traditional vote in the shires won't bother voting as was the case in recent by elections.
The recent by-elections weren't so much enthusiasm for Starmer's Labour, just uninspired Conservative voters staying home. I think Starmer is going to last 1 term, the papers are going to have a field day with the likes of Angela Reynor in power, although his plan to concrete all over the green belt with house building projects may boost the economy enough short term, giving him a success to boast about on a re election campaign

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Interesting you talked about the papers. My first thought when reading the headline to this thread was the real Tory ‘leader’ is a media mogul not a politician at all. Back to your point, I also think that most people disregard papers these days, they know they are biased as hell.

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Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927

Or it's just cyclical and Labour's turn, OR people are unhappy with the immigration rates, so the working class Conservative redwall in the North is going to crumble and the traditional vote in the shires won't bother voting as was the case in recent by elections.
The recent by-elections weren't so much enthusiasm for Starmer's Labour, just uninspired Conservative voters staying home. I think Starmer is going to last 1 term, the papers are going to have a field day with the likes of Angela Reynor in power, although his plan to concrete all over the green belt with house building projects may boost the economy enough short term, giving him a success to boast about on a re election campaign

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Gosh this one's bitter

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

Interesting you talked about the papers. My first thought when reading the headline to this thread was the real Tory ‘leader’ is a media mogul not a politician at all. Back to your point, I also think that most people disregard papers these days, they know they are biased as hell.

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Agreed, once the boomer generation dies out, I think newspapers will cease to exist in their present format, no one will be buying them.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Agreed, once the boomer generation dies out, I think newspapers will cease to exist in their present format, no one will be buying them.

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Nobody buys them now

The western mail and echo will stop printing soon surely

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Agreed, once the boomer generation dies out, I think newspapers will cease to exist in their present format, no one will be buying them.

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They'll still exist, just move online

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Originally Posted by NinianOpinion1927

Or it's just cyclical and Labour's turn, OR people are unhappy with the immigration rates, so the working class Conservative redwall in the North is going to crumble and the traditional vote in the shires won't bother voting as was the case in recent by elections.
The recent by-elections weren't so much enthusiasm for Starmer's Labour, just uninspired Conservative voters staying home. I think Starmer is going to last 1 term, the papers are going to have a field day with the likes of Angela Reynor in power, although his plan to concrete all over the green belt with house building projects may boost the economy enough short term, giving him a success to boast about on a re election campaign

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So when Gordon Brown apparently killed children and sold our soul to the devil resulting in economic decline and according to the conservatives the end of the world why was it that Cameron and his mob couldn't get a majority and had to team up with the liberals ? 2010 ?

There certainly wasn't much enthusiasm for the conservatives then , even though the current government were shot to bits

All the evidence suggests a far better election for Labour than the tories had in 2010 in opposition ?

I mean suggesting the only reason for a conservative hammering in the by elections results recently was the tory vote staying at home isn't really correct , is it ?

Because that sort of thing happens all the time

Like in 2010