Re: Who recommended Erol?
Roland Rat and Kevin the Gerbil.
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Last year I wasn't really concerned about how we played as for me the absolute priority was just steadying the ship which on face value, I think he did in the main, granted the wheels came off big time in the latter portion of the season. I personally felt he earned the extension just due to the fact he dragged other blokes players to a respectable finish whilst off the back of multiple embargoed windows and just a January window to really work with. However, I won't defend this start to the season and if he got sacked I won't be bothered given he has been backed, relatively speaking by our standards. The wheels that came off at the end of last season haven't come back on and it is just inevitable at this point.
All that said, I'll echo the point another poster made that this current crop of players are an absolute disgrace. Not a single fighter between them, and that's including a player who has almost only ever played for us (Ralls), a few who are local boys and others who are more than happy to play the villain when things are going well but don't replicate that grit when things are hard (Ng).
They are utterly spineless as a collective, and a few of them have now been part of teams that have got other managers sacked, and will almost certainly get our next manager sacked. Bulut will get all the blame, but theres a cohort of players who should follow him out when he is handed his p45.
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Der Kaiser
Last year I wasn't really concerned about how we played as for me the absolute priority was just steadying the ship which on face value, I think he did in the main, granted the wheels came off big time in the latter portion of the season. I personally felt he earned the extension just due to the fact he dragged other blokes players to a respectable finish whilst off the back of multiple embargoed windows and just a January window to really work with. However, I won't defend this start to the season and if he got sacked I won't be bothered given he has been backed, relatively speaking by our standards. The wheels that came off at the end of last season haven't come back on and it is just inevitable at this point.
All that said, I'll echo the point another poster made that this current crop of players are an absolute disgrace. Not a single fighter between them, and that's including a player who has almost only ever played for us (Ralls), a few who are local boys and others who are more than happy to play the villain when things are going well but don't replicate that grit when things are hard (Ng).
They are utterly spineless as a collective, and a few of them have now been part of teams that have got other managers sacked, and will almost certainly get our next manager sacked. Bulut will get all the blame, but theres a cohort of players who should follow him out when he is handed his p45.
It’s hard to disagree with anything written above, the only thing that I wonder is, have the players given up because they just don’t believe in Bulut or his mind numbing boring football?
An MD of a business I knew told me there was only one thing worse than people who quit and moved on, that was people who quit and stayed!
Most employees move on if they’re unhappy, but most difficult if you’re on a long term contract like a footballer
I just think some of ours have quit and stayed
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Der Kaiser
Last year I wasn't really concerned about how we played as for me the absolute priority was just steadying the ship which on face value, I think he did in the main, granted the wheels came off big time in the latter portion of the season. I personally felt he earned the extension just due to the fact he dragged other blokes players to a respectable finish whilst off the back of multiple embargoed windows and just a January window to really work with. However, I won't defend this start to the season and if he got sacked I won't be bothered given he has been backed, relatively speaking by our standards. The wheels that came off at the end of last season haven't come back on and it is just inevitable at this point.
All that said, I'll echo the point another poster made that this current crop of players are an absolute disgrace. Not a single fighter between them, and that's including a player who has almost only ever played for us (Ralls), a few who are local boys and others who are more than happy to play the villain when things are going well but don't replicate that grit when things are hard (Ng).
They are utterly spineless as a collective, and a few of them have now been part of teams that have got other managers sacked, and will almost certainly get our next manager sacked. Bulut will get all the blame, but theres a cohort of players who should follow him out when he is handed his p45.
For me he started promisingly but by November he had switched to the same style we see today. By the end of the season I for one had already seen enough and realised that this guy was not the right guy to lead our football club. Like I said earlier, can anybody tell us what his plan is apart from boring opponents senseless.
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Der Kaiser
Last year I wasn't really concerned about how we played as for me the absolute priority was just steadying the ship which on face value, I think he did in the main, granted the wheels came off big time in the latter portion of the season. I personally felt he earned the extension just due to the fact he dragged other blokes players to a respectable finish whilst off the back of multiple embargoed windows and just a January window to really work with. However, I won't defend this start to the season and if he got sacked I won't be bothered given he has been backed, relatively speaking by our standards. The wheels that came off at the end of last season haven't come back on and it is just inevitable at this point.
All that said, I'll echo the point another poster made that this current crop of players are an absolute disgrace. Not a single fighter between them, and that's including a player who has almost only ever played for us (Ralls), a few who are local boys and others who are more than happy to play the villain when things are going well but don't replicate that grit when things are hard (Ng).
They are utterly spineless as a collective, and a few of them have now been part of teams that have got other managers sacked, and will almost certainly get our next manager sacked. Bulut will get all the blame, but theres a cohort of players who should follow him out when he is handed his p45.
I don't disagree with your comments about some of the players. I'm slightly baffled why this has become the case. Last season they made something of a habit of winning games they didn't deserve by staying in the game at 1-0 down and pinching goals late on, particularly through set pieces. That hasn't happened for some time.
You say the wheels came off in the latter portion of the season. I'd say things were that bad before then. After we beat Bristol City we won 5 out of 19 fixtures, failing to score in 10 of those. We managed a mini revival, beating 3 poor sides we were expecting to beat, then fluked a win against Ipswich to keep us in contention of a top half finish.
The game before Ipswich was a 1-0 win over Huddersfield. We've played 15 games since then. We've won 4 and been the first team to score in 1 of those 15 games. I would say the wheels were falling off between November and February, then the whole cart fell to bits from mid March onwards.
Our excellent start to last season, that mini revival of wins in February and some comeback wins against the odds were the reason we finished in the top half. Most of the season wasn't very good and our run from November to the end of the season overall was awful in most ways, other than a couple of expected wins and fortunate comebacks. For me, little has changed this season and this season's woeful start has come as no surprise whatsoever.
You may have noticed that I haven't mentioned Bulut at all here, yet. I don't see him as totally responsible for this. I don't think he's any good as a manager but, like you say, players take some of the responsibility. I will disagree slightly about transfers, though. Yes, we had an embargo, but we arguably had a better summer for transfers last year than we have this year without an embargo. A lot was made about this embargo as being some sort of serious handcuffing of the club in the transfer market. Since the embargo was lifted, we've paid for David Turnbull, who I don't think is good enough for us on showings so far, and a striker that's gone to Belgium. I doubt either of those gems were Bulut's handywork but it does ask the question of how we're run as a club. Bulut isn't the sole problem we have but the players are better than what they've shown for months now. He's far from blameless in that.
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Last year I wasn't really concerned about how we played as for me the absolute priority was just steadying the ship which on face value, I think he did in the main, granted the wheels came off big time in the latter portion of the season. I personally felt he earned the extension just due to the fact he dragged other blokes players to a respectable finish whilst off the back of multiple embargoed windows and just a January window to really work with. However, I won't defend this start to the season and if he got sacked I won't be bothered given he has been backed, relatively speaking by our standards. The wheels that came off at the end of last season haven't come back on and it is just inevitable at this point.
All that said, I'll echo the point another poster made that this current crop of players are an absolute disgrace. Not a single fighter between them, and that's including a player who has almost only ever played for us (Ralls), a few who are local boys and others who are more than happy to play the villain when things are going well but don't replicate that grit when things are hard (Ng).
They are utterly spineless as a collective, and a few of them have now been part of teams that have got other managers sacked, and will almost certainly get our next manager sacked. Bulut will get all the blame, but theres a cohort of players who should follow him out when he is handed his p45.
I think the latter part of your post is over the top
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I find it hard to believe that so many fans think we have a good squad of players and when a poster dares to criticise those wearing the shirts they are shot down. From my seat I see a bunch of players with limited ability, a lack of desire and old tired legs. Bulut is not getting the best out of them, but even their best might not be good enough to get out of this hole we are in. And yes, he brought a lot of them in....
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The Prophet of Doom
I find it hard to believe that so many fans think we have a good squad of players and when a poster dares to criticise those wearing the shirts they are shot down. From my seat I see a bunch of players with limited ability, a lack of desire and old tired legs. Bulut is not getting the best out of them, but even their best might not be good enough to get out of this hole we are in. And yes, he brought a lot of them in....
The quality or otherwise of our squad can't be too subjective - it has to be considered alongside the other 23 clubs. We may have a couple of minor 'named' players, but totally lack the drive, pace, energy and strength that is needed in this very competitive league. I agree that playing to their maximum we'd still be in a relegation battle. If Bulut continues, there won't be a battle though..
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The best teams have top Strikers/Goal Scoring Wingers and Keepers, we don't.
We have a decent squad overall but especially weak in the two most important parts of the pitch.
Finally, we are playing like eleven individual players who only met last week, we are not playing like a team, and that is the Manager's job!
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Disagree with the quality of the squad being poor. This squad is more than capable of completing with most teams in this league. This is totally on the manager.
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North Cardiff Blue
The best teams have top Strikers/Goal Scoring Wingers and Keepers, we don't.
We have a decent squad overall but especially weak in the two most important parts of the pitch.
Finally, we are playing like eleven individual players who only met last week, we are not playing like a team, and that is the Manager's job!
Not many have goalscoring keepers.
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Bald Barry Bastad
Disagree with the quality of the squad being poor. This squad is more than capable of completing with most teams in this league. This is totally on the manager.
We have enough quality here
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Bald Barry Bastad
I don't understand the ones who are still in the Errol camp. Could anyone explain what this manager is trying to do? He's been here for so long and I still have no idea what his football plan is. And on another point, who is the person who thought bulet was the right manager for this club? I've heard Tom Ramusut recommended him. Whoever it is we should not be taking any more recommendations from them. They clearly don't know what makes a good manager.
where did you hear them at tom ramusut recommended him?
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I thought Dalman had said something about being aware of him and wanting to bring him in, but I can't find anything to support that so might be making it up.
I did find this from Dalman on Bulut though (from last October):
'Football-wise he's the most tactically-oriented manager I have come across in my time here as chairman. He's quite funky, can spot and change tactics as the game goes on, and generally that's not something I feel we've seen too much of here before. He's changed the style of football, for the better, has a good eye for players, spots potential in the younger ones as we've seen with Tanner, is a football obsessive who works incredibly hard."
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Undercoverinwurzelland
I thought Dalman had said something about being aware of him and wanting to bring him in, but I can't find anything to support that so might be making it up.
I did find this from Dalman on Bulut though (from last October):
'Football-wise he's the most tactically-oriented manager I have come across in my time here as chairman. He's quite funky, can spot and change tactics as the game goes on, and generally that's not something I feel we've seen too much of here before. He's changed the style of football, for the better, has a good eye for players, spots potential in the younger ones as we've seen with Tanner, is a football obsessive who works incredibly hard."
What's Dalmans relationship with football though? Has he been a die hard fan of the game all his life? How would he know which manager was tactically aware. To be honest I don't want a car salesman having any input on the football side of things.
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Bald Barry Bastad
What's Dalmans relationship with football though? Has he been a die hard fan of the game all his life? How would he know which manager was tactically aware. To be honest I don't want a car salesman having any input on the football side of things.
Exactly. This is why we need a full time CEO with experience of successfully running a football club and a director of football.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
We have enough quality here
For what?
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Undercoverinwurzelland
I thought Dalman had said something about being aware of him and wanting to bring him in, but I can't find anything to support that so might be making it up.
I did find this from Dalman on Bulut though (from last October):
'Football-wise he's the most tactically-oriented manager I have come across in my time here as chairman. He's quite funky, can spot and change tactics as the game goes on, and generally that's not something I feel we've seen too much of here before. He's changed the style of football, for the better, has a good eye for players, spots potential in the younger ones as we've seen with Tanner, is a football obsessive who works incredibly hard."
Drop the quotation marks as surely you've made that up.
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The Bloop
Drop the quotation marks as surely you've made that up.
If only!
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This "lack of fight" thing is such bollocks. It totally lets the manager off the hook.
If youre playing incredibly negative, lifeless, keep ball with players who are under pressure and either bang out of form or just not good enough, youre going to get beat no matter how much you run around and kick people. If anything the likes of Siopis and Ng could do with being calmer, rather than running around like headless chickens.
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Cardiff Ultra
This "lack of fight" thing is such bollocks. It totally lets the manager off the hook.
If youre playing incredibly negative, lifeless, keep ball with players who are under pressure and either bang out of form or just not good enough, youre going to get beat no matter how much you run around and kick people. If anything the likes of Siopis and Ng could do with being calmer, rather than running around like headless chickens.
They don’t believe in what they’re doing. They’re stuck playing a style that they know doesn’t work. It must be soul destroying to play in.
Having said all that, think for yourself. Take some ownership, Bulut and his coaches are clueless but the players can and should be doing better.
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Who recommended Bulut? I’m going to take a wild guess and say his agent.
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Pedro de la Rosa
They don’t believe in what they’re doing. They’re stuck playing a style that they know doesn’t work. It must be soul destroying to play in.
Having said all that, think for yourself. Take some ownership, Bulut and his coaches are clueless but the players can and should be doing better.
Buluts only "innovation" is one of the full-backs running diagonally into midfield. So that is a midfield base of Siopis, Ralls,and either NG to Bagan to outman their midfield, so that is 3 stoppers trying to string a ball to double-manned Ramsey/Colwell who both do better when allowed to drop deeper losing their markers.
It is so basic its frightening he thinks is passable
