Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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05-03-25, 09:42
the other bob wilson

Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

Burnley concede for the first time in 1,132 minutes to impressive Salech.

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05-03-25, 09:56
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Burnley concede for the first time in 1,132 minutes to impressive Salech.

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On the matter of good/bad signings by the 'committee', I was surprised to see Goutas being included in the former. For me, alongside Daland, he's consistently prone to mistakes at this level, but more than that, in the absence of McGuiness he should have become the one player who organises, cajoles, shouts, points etc. Any back 4 or 3 needs constant organizing and pretty much all teams have a leader or two at the back - we have none..
05-03-25, 10:03
North Cardiff Blue

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

Rino struggled, we would have been better starting with Fish and Goutas and NG on the right. O'Dowda was good, Salech was very good, a few inches off a hat trick against the best defensive team in the League.
05-03-25, 10:04
Rjk

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

we need to pick a system, pick a back 4 / 5 and stick with it for a few games. the constant changes can't be helping them defend as a unit
05-03-25, 10:05
BLUETIT

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

On the matter of good/bad signings by the 'committee', I was surprised to see Goutas being included in the former. For me, alongside Daland, he's consistently prone to mistakes at this level, but more than that, in the absence of McGuiness he should have become the one player who organises, cajoles, shouts, points etc. Any back 4 or 3 needs constant organizing and pretty much all teams have a leader or two at the back - we have none..

Remind me how McGuiness is doing at Luton ?
05-03-25, 10:09
Rjk

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

On the matter of good/bad signings by the 'committee', I was surprised to see Goutas being included in the former. For me, alongside Daland, he's consistently prone to mistakes at this level, but more than that, in the absence of McGuiness he should have become the one player who organises, cajoles, shouts, points etc. Any back 4 or 3 needs constant organizing and pretty much all teams have a leader or two at the back - we have none..

Ng has been the best of our central defenders recently, but we also need him at RB
05-03-25, 10:14
North Cardiff Blue

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

we need to pick a system, pick a back 4 / 5 and stick with it for a few games. the constant changes can't be helping them defend as a unit

Agreed to get consistancy, they all need to play together and form a whole defensive unit where everyone knows their job, it should only change through injuries, Warnock would have done that the first week.
05-03-25, 11:27
the other bob wilson

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

On the matter of good/bad signings by the 'committee', I was surprised to see Goutas being included in the former. For me, alongside Daland, he's consistently prone to mistakes at this level, but more than that, in the absence of McGuiness he should have become the one player who organises, cajoles, shouts, points etc. Any back 4 or 3 needs constant organizing and pretty much all teams have a leader or two at the back - we have none..

Agreed.
05-03-25, 17:08
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Remind me how McGuiness is doing at Luton ?

Poorly, but he did the organising at the back when alongside Goutas. As did Bamba alongside Morrison. Flint did it alongside a young McGuiness.
05-03-25, 17:12
Tuerto

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

we need to pick a system, pick a back 4 / 5 and stick with it for a few games. the constant changes can't be helping them defend as a unit

That's what happens when there's constant shit individual performances. It really is on the players who make individual errors, poor judgement etc. Take a look at Ng for one of the goals, he's out of position, sucked into the middle and ball watching. On him, it was parks stuff.
05-03-25, 17:13
Tuerto

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Agreed to get consistancy, they all need to play together and form a whole defensive unit where everyone knows their job, it should only change through injuries, Warnock would have done that the first week.

Do you think that there's anything else these players would like in order to help them integrate, we could put out a suggestion box ....
05-03-25, 17:16
Tuerto

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Poorly, but he did the organising at the back when alongside Goutas. As did Bamba alongside Morrison. Flint did it alongside a young McGuiness.

He was just vocal, he talked, for all we know it could have been bollocks and nobody listens anyway. Same as managers in the line doing all those hand movements, whistles, etc, 90% nonsense.
05-03-25, 17:20
the other bob wilson

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

That's what happens when there's constant shit individual performances. It really is on the players who make individual errors, poor judgement etc. Take a look at Ng for one of the goals, he's out of position, sucked into the middle and ball watching. On him, it was parks stuff.

I think you could make a case for all of our back four being at fault to some degree with at least one of the goals, RoBertson didn’t track the runner well enough for the first goal and he and Mannsverk could have done more to prevent the cross for the second one which was an awful goal to concede - it was so frustrating because I thought we defended well against Hull and at Villa.
05-03-25, 17:53
Tuerto

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I think you could make a case for all of our back four being at fault to some degree with at least one of the goals, RoBertson didn’t track the runner well enough for the first goal and he and Mannsverk could have done more to prevent the cross for the second one which was an awful goal to concede - it was so frustrating because I thought we defended well against Hull and at Villa.

They switch off Bob, and it costs us, seemingly, quite often. I'm no fan of Riza as a manager, but in fairness to him, some of the defending is shocking, switch off stuff, avoidable. It could besaid that Riza should employ a decent defensive coach, but i struggle to believe that coaching can cut out poor concentration levels and a lack of awareness. None of the defenders we have could be categorised as being Shit footballers, in the way we used to know, but every one of then is prone to switching off, getting pulled out of position etc.
05-03-25, 19:26
LA Bluebird

Re: Cardiff have Burnley on the ropes by the end, but defensive woes continue to haunt them.

Especially in the first half the defending was awful, real basic stuff like both center backs turning their backs and dropping all the way to their own six yard box and then the defensive midfielders not tracking the runs. I did hear the City commentators mention more than once that Chambers was supposed to drop in as an extra defender out of possession, could have been bollocks but I wonder if that is confusing them or maybe they just aren't very good. In general though you'd hope a half decent coach would certainly be telling them not to do that.

With any cutting edge Burnley could have been 4 or 5 up at half time, it really was parks stuff. We looked better in the second half with more players in their natural position and two actual center backs in a back 4 - for me the Rino experiment at RB has run it's course and it should be NG there moving forward.