New update from the Trust after Vincent Tan's statement
Vincent's statement:
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...Tan-29-04-2025
Club Statement:
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5588479
Trust response 30/04/2025
Following on from our statement released on Sunday we formally wrote to the Club requesting that a meeting be organised for the Club owner Tan Sri Vincent Tan to meet with Fans Groups to discuss the current failings in the Club that lead us to relegation.
Prior to a response to our email two statements were released by the Club, one a Club Statement and then a personal message from Tan Sri Vincent Tan both referencing the Cardiff City Supporters Trust Statement.
In terms of the Club Statement we note that a review of the overall structures and practices, culminating in the appointment of a new permanent manager and management team, is taking place.
As referred to in our Statement there is a lack of football expertise at Board Level. Consequently, we would want to be assured that people with football expertise are being engaged to advise about that restructuring.
In respect of the personal message from the owner it is encouraging to note that the owner stated that he would “make every effort to be in Cardiff at the next opportunity” but the lack of even a general indication of when is disappointing. It definitely needs to be sooner rather than later. Confirmation of his willingness to meet all Fans Groups would also be useful.
It is going to be a very important Summer if the promised restructure is to take place. The owner must hear at first hand the views of fans about a myriad of concerns. Communication between the fans and the owner is absolutely crucial and it should be ongoing.
Re: New update from the Trust after Vincent Tan's statement
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Michael Morris
Vincent's statement:
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...Tan-29-04-2025
Club Statement:
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5588479
Trust response 30/04/2025
Following on from our statement released on Sunday we formally wrote to the Club requesting that a meeting be organised for the Club owner Tan Sri Vincent Tan to meet with Fans Groups to discuss the current failings in the Club that lead us to relegation.
Prior to a response to our email two statements were released by the Club, one a Club Statement and then a personal message from Tan Sri Vincent Tan both referencing the Cardiff City Supporters Trust Statement.
In terms of the Club Statement we note that a review of the overall structures and practices, culminating in the appointment of a new permanent manager and management team, is taking place.
As referred to in our Statement there is a lack of football expertise at Board Level. Consequently, we would want to be assured that people with football expertise are being engaged to advise about that restructuring.
In respect of the personal message from the owner it is encouraging to note that the owner stated that he would “make every effort to be in Cardiff at the next opportunity” but the lack of even a general indication of when is disappointing. It definitely needs to be sooner rather than later. Confirmation of his willingness to meet all Fans Groups would also be useful.
It is going to be a very important Summer if the promised restructure is to take place. The owner must hear at first hand the views of fans about a myriad of concerns. Communication between the fans and the owner is absolutely crucial and it should be ongoing.
Good to see them pointing out the need for people with "football expertise" to be involved in this so called review because yesterday's statements from the club and the owner read like the reviwe would be carried out by Messrs Tan, Dalman and Choo with perhaps a bit of help from Steve Borley and thoee mysterious Board members with far eastern sounding names that no one has seen and/or met before.
Let's not forget the stories we heard last autumn about experienced football people being asked to recommend potential managers to take over from Erol Bulut while Omer Riza was doing his three month stint as caretaker boss. The word was that potential replacements picked out by the ex pros were too boring and uninspiring for Tan, Dalman and Choo as they provided further proof, if any were needed, that they really are a class apart from others at the helm of Championship clubs - maybe "class" is not the right word to use there, but you know what I mean :hehe:
Re: New update from the Trust after Vincent Tan's statement
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the other bob wilson
Good to see them pointing out the need for people with "football expertise" to be involved in this so called review because yesterday's statements from the club and the owner read like the reviwe would be carried out by Messrs Tan, Dalman and Choo with perhaps a bit of help from Steve Borley and thoee mysterious Board members with far eastern sounding names that no one has seen and/or met before.
Let's not forget the stories we heard last autumn about experienced football people being asked to recommend potential managers to take over from Erol Bulut while Omer Riza was doing his three month stint as caretaker boss. The word was that potential replacements picked out by the ex pros were too boring and uninspiring for Tan, Dalman and Choo as they provided further proof, if any were needed, that they really are a class apart from others at the helm of Championship clubs - maybe "class" is not the right word to use there, but you know what I mean :hehe:
What was the bit that borley told the FAB Ken choo hadn't said? Was it about using advisors?
Was definitely something about the new manager appointment and borley was adamant choo hadn't said something everyone else was adamant he had.
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Father Dougal
What was the bit that borley told the FAB Ken choo hadn't said? Was it about using advisors?
Was definitely something about the new manager appointment and borley was adamant choo hadn't said something everyone else was adamant he had.
Just found it from 9th December minutes
"7 Corporate governance
FAB What are the processes for hiring a new manager?
Club No fixed process.
FAB Is there a consistent criterion applied to the search for candidates.
Club, No
FAB How many consultants both individuals and agencies are involved?
Club, no specific consultants, just various agencies trying to get the club to appoint their
managers.
FAB Are they employed/engaged with consistently by the club?
Club, no
FAB Are these consultants impartial in terms of recommendations or are there existing
links to agents?
Club Any consultants would have links to agents.
FAB Ken Choo mentioned 'The three pillars" of Cardiff City when identifying suitable
managerial candidates? What are they and how do they link to the work Gavin
Chesterfield is doing with the academy?
Club Progression of youth, attractive playing style & a balance of age and experience
throughout the squad. Principles of play remain consistent throughout formations,
shapes and styles.
FAB How will the club prepare for the January transfer window without a full-time
manager and coaching team in place?
Club Plans are already underway with the interim Manager now appointed.
FAB also stressed the importance of long term plan, i.e hiring first team manager to link
in with recruitment, playing style and academy.
FAB Will the lack of stability impact potential player impact to join CCFC?
Club Hopefully not, but we do understand players like stability and now we have
appointed the full-time manager it will make things clearer to players.
MW At previous meeting the CEO said we did use ex managers as consultants and
mentioned a very large agency that were also used as consultants, so what is the case?
PJ /SB Neither were present when Ken said this so can’t comment on that.
The FAB request this be clarified with Ken.
KJ Ken said it was two ex-managers helping the club with appointing a new manager, so
it’s confusing.
VA could you get back to the FAB to clarify the process?
SB Yes, no problem. What I can say is that every time there is a managerial vacancy at
the club many agents put names forward and you get an extensive list that is easily
whittled down to just a few suitable candidates.
MW how do the directors know what type of manager would appeal to the owner, we
often see different types of characters and no consistency in the appointments.?
SB The owner gets very frustrated employing a manager on a substantial wage, probably
as high as the top Championship clubs and then parts company with them whilst still
having to pay up their contract so there would be a reluctance to replace the high earner
the very next day on a similar type of package and then possibly get rid of them again.
The FAB asked that if there is no certain criterion applied when looking at potential
managers, then how do we expect to appoint a manager that will implement the desired
“attractive playing style”? CLUB: responded that was considered at the point of reviewing the applicants.
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Originally Posted by
Father Dougal
Just found it from 9th December minutes
"7 Corporate governance
FAB What are the processes for hiring a new manager?
Club No fixed process.
FAB Is there a consistent criterion applied to the search for candidates.
Club, No
FAB How many consultants both individuals and agencies are involved?
Club, no specific consultants, just various agencies trying to get the club to appoint their
managers.
FAB Are they employed/engaged with consistently by the club?
Club, no
FAB Are these consultants impartial in terms of recommendations or are there existing
links to agents?
Club Any consultants would have links to agents.
FAB Ken Choo mentioned 'The three pillars" of Cardiff City when identifying suitable
managerial candidates? What are they and how do they link to the work Gavin
Chesterfield is doing with the academy?
Club Progression of youth, attractive playing style & a balance of age and experience
throughout the squad. Principles of play remain consistent throughout formations,
shapes and styles.
FAB How will the club prepare for the January transfer window without a full-time
manager and coaching team in place?
Club Plans are already underway with the interim Manager now appointed.
FAB also stressed the importance of long term plan, i.e hiring first team manager to link
in with recruitment, playing style and academy.
FAB Will the lack of stability impact potential player impact to join CCFC?
Club Hopefully not, but we do understand players like stability and now we have
appointed the full-time manager it will make things clearer to players.
MW At previous meeting the CEO said we did use ex managers as consultants and
mentioned a very large agency that were also used as consultants, so what is the case?
PJ /SB Neither were present when Ken said this so can’t comment on that.
The FAB request this be clarified with Ken.
KJ Ken said it was two ex-managers helping the club with appointing a new manager, so
it’s confusing.
VA could you get back to the FAB to clarify the process?
SB Yes, no problem. What I can say is that every time there is a managerial vacancy at
the club many agents put names forward and you get an extensive list that is easily
whittled down to just a few suitable candidates.
MW how do the directors know what type of manager would appeal to the owner, we
often see different types of characters and no consistency in the appointments.?
SB The owner gets very frustrated employing a manager on a substantial wage, probably
as high as the top Championship clubs and then parts company with them whilst still
having to pay up their contract so there would be a reluctance to replace the high earner
the very next day on a similar type of package and then possibly get rid of them again.
The FAB asked that if there is no certain criterion applied when looking at potential
managers, then how do we expect to appoint a manager that will implement the desired
“attractive playing style”? CLUB: responded that was considered at the point of reviewing the applicants.
Steve borley said "no problem" to clarifying what Ken choo said. Did he provide an answer after?
So Ken choo said the club was using ex managers to help with a search. Everyone else even those on the actual board said that absolutely was not the case and any agents involved would have direct links to clients.
And we wonder why we are in a mess?!
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Father Dougal
Steve borley said "no problem" to clarifying what Ken choo said. Did he provide an answer after?
So Ken choo said the club was using ex managers to help with a search. Everyone else even those on the actual board said that absolutely was not the case and any agents involved would have direct links to clients.
And we wonder why we are in a mess?!
It all makes a "a thorough period of review across several structures and practices" involving "the Owner, Board, Executive Management and stakeholders" a bit pointless really if the left hand doesn't know what the right one is doing.
The names of Russell Slade and Mick McCarthy were mentioned as possibilities for the former managers who had been consulted as I remember it - I can definitely believe that the first named was involved, not sure about the second one though.
Re: New update from the Trust after Vincent Tan's statement
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Good to see them pointing out the need for people with "football expertise" to be involved in this so called review because yesterday's statements from the club and the owner read like the reviwe would be carried out by Messrs Tan, Dalman and Choo with perhaps a bit of help from Steve Borley and thoee mysterious Board members with far eastern sounding names that no one has seen and/or met before.
Let's not forget the stories we heard last autumn about experienced football people being asked to recommend potential managers to take over from Erol Bulut while Omer Riza was doing his three month stint as caretaker boss. The word was that potential replacements picked out by the ex pros were too boring and uninspiring for Tan, Dalman and Choo as they provided further proof, if any were needed, that they really are a class apart from others at the helm of Championship clubs - maybe "class" is not the right word to use there, but you know what I mean :hehe:
2 points there
didn't we reach out to Glen Roeder for 'football expertise ' around the Slade era or my mind playing tricks ?
mysterious board members - remember the name Marco Caramella . Is he still involved ?
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MOZZER2
2 points there
didn't we reach out to Glen Roeder for 'football expertise ' around the Slade era or my mind playing tricks ?
mysterious board members - remember the name Marco Caramella . Is he still involved ?
Yes, you’re talking a few years ago with Glenn Roeder mind, might have been for Russell Slade’s appointment.
Re: New update from the Trust after Vincent Tan's statement
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
It all makes a "a thorough period of review across several structures and practices" involving "the Owner, Board, Executive Management and stakeholders" a bit pointless really if the left hand doesn't know what the right one is doing.
The names of Russell Slade and Mick McCarthy were mentioned as possibilities for the former managers who had been consulted as I remember it - I can definitely believe that the first named was involved, not sure about the second one though.
I don't think Ken specified they were ex cardiff managers did he?
I think what borley said is more likely though. The club sat back and awaited for agents to contact them and make the first move. Some were ruled out. Some names were passed on but none were that inspiring. In fairness if that's your approach- and borley says above it is- then it makes me less surprised they thought none of them are worth bothering with.
This paragraph "What I can say is that every time there is a managerial vacancy at
the club many agents put names forward and you get an extensive list that is easily
whittled down to just a few suitable candidates."
Confirms its the agents who make the first move. It's obviously the same with signing players looking at how high our agents fees are.
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MOZZER2
2 points there
“…remember the name Marco Caramella . Is he still involved ?
More likely Giovanni Malacrino. He knows f all about football
Re: New update from the Trust after Vincent Tan's statement
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Father Dougal
I don't think Ken specified they were ex cardiff managers did he?
Confirms its the agents who make the first move. It's obviously the same with signing players looking at how high our agents fees are.
I think 100% this is the case. We are just so pathetically passive and reactive with everything. We should have a constant list of names of players, coaches, managers in case any are poaches, sold, sacked or leave.
That's why you have a sporting director or a director of football. They are responsible for all that planning and continuity. For example Tan says he want to play attacking football with a focus on bringing youth players in - the DoF has a list of managers and coaches who have a track record of that and a list of player targets that compliment that style. That way when we sack a manager every few months - we've still got a plan.
