Paul Gascoigne guilty over racist comment

- - Former England footballer Paul Gascoigne has pleaded guilty to racially aggravated abuse after a "joke" he told during a show.

Gascoigne, 49, made the comment during An Evening With Gazza in Wolverhampton on 30 November 2015.
At Dudley Magistrates' Court, the ex-player admitted using "threatening or abusive words or behaviour".

Gascoigne, who lives in Dorset, was fined £1,000 and ordered to pay £1,000 in compensation. - -

More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37406549

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Crikey, you don't want to go around telling jokes in this day and age.

He was fined £1,000, ordered to pay the victim £1,000 in compo and clobbered with £500 costs for saying: "Can you smile please, because I can't see you" to a black security guard.

Speech used to be free in the UK. That's inflation for you.

Security guard went home and cried after his 'hero' Paul Gascoigne racially abused him at Evening with Gazza show - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-cried-8869406

It really is OTT. Most of us have jokes with others about being tall,small,ginger,fat,thin etc etc. It's part of very day living.

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It really is OTT. Most of us have jokes with others about being tall,small,ginger,fat,thin etc etc. It's part of very day living.

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some topics are currently of limits, ask Malky and Iain

I think the Malky thing went to another level. Gascoigne's comment was very mild.

What's the difference between "an evening with Gazza" and "an evening with chubby brown"?
My point being that it seems comedians can say what they like. As do drag artists.
All fair game IMO in the right surroundings of course.
Whatever happened to sticks and stones?
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It really is OTT. Most of us have jokes with others about being tall,small,ginger,fat,thin etc etc. It's part of very day living.

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Is this, "that VERY day :hehe:"

Court case seems over the top, but what a thing to say.

That's the best I've seen Gazza looking for a while though, he should get involved in a court case more often.

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I think the Malky thing went to another level. Gascoigne's comment was very mild.

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society these days says it is not acceptable

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society these days says it is not acceptable

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And what is Pearcey3 if not a member of society?

When we went to see Bernard Manning he said to me "I bet you've flattened some grass in your time" :hehe: is that much different?

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And what is Pearcey3 if not a member of society?

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are you disagreeing with my statement that society says that jokes like Gazza made are not acceptable these days ? ? ?

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When we went to see Bernard Manning he said to me "I bet you've flattened some grass in your time" :hehe: is that much different?

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You should be so lucky.😁

Jokes by their very nature are usually at somebody's expense. I understand you have to be more careful these days but if he ends up in Court over something like this it's getting to a point where you can't joke at all.

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are you disagreeing with my statement that society says that jokes like Gazza made are not acceptable these days ? ? ?

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Some parts of society might think that way, plenty of other parts of society don't.

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You should be so lucky.

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Jokes by their very nature are usually at somebody's expense. I understand you have to be more careful these days but if he ends up in Court over something like this it's getting to a point where you can't joke at all.

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Do you think that making examples of people and plastering it all over the papers is a form of social conditioning? It has obviously made you think twice about making jokes.

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Do you think that making examples of people and plastering it all over the papers is a form of social conditioning? It has obviously made you think twice about making jokes.

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Certainly. That and those who make the rules, the courts solicitors judges and barristers lining their own pockets.
Back in the day if someone offended you then you'd either smack 'em in the mouth, retort with a cutting remark of your own or suck it up with some nervous laughter.

As I said, sticks and stones. We were 'appy then, though we were poor... :biggrin:

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Certainly. That and those who make the rules, the courts solicitors judges and barristers lining their own pockets.
Back in the day if someone offended you then you'd either smack 'em in the mouth, retort with a cutting remark of your own or suck it up with some nervous laughter.

As I said, sticks and stones. We were 'appy then, though we were poor... :biggrin:

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Making me feel old now, people do seem to get upset over just about everything you can think of these days, I blame it on these 'Soft play' places :hehe:

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When we went to see Bernard Manning he said to me "I bet you've flattened some grass in your time" :hehe: is that much different?

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Can we borrow your roller please. :hehe:

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When we went to see Bernard Manning he said to me "I bet you've flattened some grass in your time" :hehe: is that much different?

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The difference is you went to see Bernard Manning, you knew what to expect, and indeed paid for the experience. A security guard shouldn't expect to be racially abused whilst doing his job.

He mocked the man over the colour of his skin. I'm not saying that makes him a racist, but it does make him a thick, ignorant twat. Not sure fining people is the way to deal with it. He should have been booed of stage though.

If for example you Went to a Bernard manning gig or Chris rock you except jokes aimed at people's race, colour etc, but it's not what you'd accept at a " "An evening with Gazza"

Take him to court? I think that's well ott but maybe the bouncer doesn't

" an evening with Gazza" who the hell would want to listen To that fool

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Court case seems over the top, but what a thing to say.

That's the best I've seen Gazza looking for a while though, he should get involved in a court case more often.

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I thought the same, best I've seen him for a few years

Apparently his tour tickets are selling really well now.

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Apparently his tour tickets are selling really well now.

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Unsurprising. No such thing as bad publicity.
Gazza's happy, bouncer's happy, law people happy... everyone's a winner

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Unsurprising. No such thing as bad publicity.
Gazza's happy, bouncer's happy, law people happy... everyone's a winner

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Smiles all round.

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Smiles all round.

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"When we went to see Bernard Manning..."

Wow.

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The difference is you went to see Bernard Manning, you knew what to expect, and indeed paid for the experience. A security guard shouldn't expect to be racially abused whilst doing his job.

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By applying the term "racial abuse" to what Gazza did you are doing a disservice to people who have actually suffered racial abuse in their lives.

I think Mrs R's point is that if Gazza had made the "flattened some grass" joke then we wouldn't be hearing about it now, it wouldn't be in the press and it certainly wouldn't have made it to court.

What if the security guard was a Frenchman and Gazza made some allusion to "frog's legs" or "snails"? Nobody would have batted an eye. It would appear that some people's feelings are worth more than others.

So just for a second, lets take colour, race and religion out of the equation and just say that out of the whole population there are some people that you can safely make jokes about, but there are some that are off limits for one reason or another. That in itself is a form of discrimination that can only eventually lead to animosity.

Treating only certain sections of society with kid gloves is the opposite of the equality the politically correct claim to seek.

In future it would better if whilst deciding where to put the line between a joke and what you've called "racial abuse" is that the first place we look is at the intent of the person who delivered it and in this instance, poor though the joke was, somehow I don't think Gazza's intent was to denigrate an entire race of people with it.

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By applying the term "racial abuse" to what Gazza did you are doing a disservice to people who have actually suffered racial abuse in their lives.

I think Mrs R's point is that if Gazza had made the "flattened some grass" joke then we wouldn't be hearing about it now, it wouldn't be in the press and it certainly wouldn't have made it to court.

What if the security guard was a Frenchman and Gazza made some allusion to "frog's legs" or "snails"? Nobody would have batted an eye. It would appear that some people's feelings are worth more than others.

So just for a second, lets take colour, race and religion out of the equation and just say that out of the whole population there are some people that you can safely make jokes about, but there are some that are off limits for one reason or another. That in itself is a form of discrimination that can only eventually lead to animosity.

Treating only certain sections of society with kid gloves is the opposite of the equality the politically correct claim to seek.

In future it would better if whilst deciding where to put the line between a joke and what you've called "racial abuse" is that the first place we look is at the intent of the person who delivered it and in this instance, poor though the joke was, somehow I don't think Gazza's intent was to denigrate an entire race of people with it.

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Well said colonel :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

By applying the term "racial abuse" to what Gazza did you are doing a disservice to people who have actually suffered racial abuse in their lives.

I think Mrs R's point is that if Gazza had made the "flattened some grass" joke then we wouldn't be hearing about it now, it wouldn't be in the press and it certainly wouldn't have made it to court.

What if the security guard was a Frenchman and Gazza made some allusion to "frog's legs" or "snails"? Nobody would have batted an eye. It would appear that some people's feelings are worth more than others.

So just for a second, lets take colour, race and religion out of the equation and just say that out of the whole population there are some people that you can safely make jokes about, but there are some that are off limits for one reason or another. That in itself is a form of discrimination that can only eventually lead to animosity.

Treating only certain sections of society with kid gloves is the opposite of the equality the politically correct claim to seek.

In future it would better if whilst deciding where to put the line between a joke and what you've called "racial abuse" is that the first place we look is at the intent of the person who delivered it and in this instance, poor though the joke was, somehow I don't think Gazza's intent was to denigrate an entire race of people with it.

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Terrible example. Everyone hates the bleedin' French.

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The difference is you went to see Bernard Manning, you knew what to expect, and indeed paid for the experience. A security guard shouldn't expect to be racially abused whilst doing his job.

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Obviously that situation is different, I meant the difference in how we hurt or offend people.

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"When we went to see Bernard Manning..."

Wow.

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Wow what? it was not really my choice to see him and it was nearly 20 years ago.. wow :hehe:

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By applying the term "racial abuse" to what Gazza did you are doing a disservice to people who have actually suffered racial abuse in their lives.

I think Mrs R's point is that if Gazza had made the "flattened some grass" joke then we wouldn't be hearing about it now, it wouldn't be in the press and it certainly wouldn't have made it to court.

What if the security guard was a Frenchman and Gazza made some allusion to "frog's legs" or "snails"? Nobody would have batted an eye. It would appear that some people's feelings are worth more than others.

So just for a second, lets take colour, race and religion out of the equation and just say that out of the whole population there are some people that you can safely make jokes about, but there are some that are off limits for one reason or another. That in itself is a form of discrimination that can only eventually lead to animosity.

Treating only certain sections of society with kid gloves is the opposite of the equality the politically correct claim to seek.

In future it would better if whilst deciding where to put the line between a joke and what you've called "racial abuse" is that the first place we look is at the intent of the person who delivered it and in this instance, poor though the joke was, somehow I don't think Gazza's intent was to denigrate an entire race of people with it.

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You can't even tell a joke about the colour of a person's skin these days, it's political corectness gone mad. If i ever get pulled on it though, i mention the gingers and the fatties who get a slating, yet nobody seems to stick up for their rights-usually shuts the bastards up!

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By applying the term "racial abuse" to what Gazza did you are doing a disservice to people who have actually suffered racial abuse in their lives.

I think Mrs R's point is that if Gazza had made the "flattened some grass" joke then we wouldn't be hearing about it now, it wouldn't be in the press and it certainly wouldn't have made it to court.

What if the security guard was a Frenchman and Gazza made some allusion to "frog's legs" or "snails"? Nobody would have batted an eye. It would appear that some people's feelings are worth more than others.

So just for a second, lets take colour, race and religion out of the equation and just say that out of the whole population there are some people that you can safely make jokes about, but there are some that are off limits for one reason or another. That in itself is a form of discrimination that can only eventually lead to animosity.

Treating only certain sections of society with kid gloves is the opposite of the equality the politically correct claim to seek.

In future it would better if whilst deciding where to put the line between a joke and what you've called "racial abuse" is that the first place we look is at the intent of the person who delivered it and in this instance, poor though the joke was, somehow I don't think Gazza's intent was to denigrate an entire race of people with it.

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Good post Colonel.

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Unsurprising. No such thing as bad publicity.
Gazza's happy, bouncer's happy, law people happy... everyone's a winner

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Bouncers dentist happy. :hehe:

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By applying the term "racial abuse" to what Gazza did you are doing a disservice to people who have actually suffered racial abuse in their lives.

I think Mrs R's point is that if Gazza had made the "flattened some grass" joke then we wouldn't be hearing about it now, it wouldn't be in the press and it certainly wouldn't have made it to court.

What if the security guard was a Frenchman and Gazza made some allusion to "frog's legs" or "snails"? Nobody would have batted an eye. It would appear that some people's feelings are worth more than others.

So just for a second, lets take colour, race and religion out of the equation and just say that out of the whole population there are some people that you can safely make jokes about, but there are some that are off limits for one reason or another. That in itself is a form of discrimination that can only eventually lead to animosity.

Treating only certain sections of society with kid gloves is the opposite of the equality the politically correct claim to seek.

In future it would better if whilst deciding where to put the line between a joke and what you've called "racial abuse" is that the first place we look is at the intent of the person who delivered it and in this instance, poor though the joke was, somehow I don't think Gazza's intent was to denigrate an entire race of people with it.

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What makes you think that you can categorise levels of Racism? i am presuming that you aren't black? if that is the case, you would never know how it feels to have a white person, in a room with a load of other white people, make a joke about the colour of your skin, however meek or piss-poor the joke is. I can't say for sure, but i would say that plenty of black people have had 'gentle' remarks disguised as humour thrown at them over the years, and i'd bet that it pisses them off, because it probably isn't that funny to them. Analise the intent, by all means, what isn't measurable is how the person on the end of the joke feels, what they have experienced, or if they have been victims of racism in the past. Could you see how it would not be a joke to them?

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What makes you think that you can categorise levels of Racism? i am presuming that you aren't black? if that is the case, you would never know how it feels to have a white person, in a room with a load of other white people, make a joke about the colour of your skin, however meek or piss-poor the joke is. I can't say for sure, but i would say that plenty of black people have had 'gentle' remarks disguised as humour thrown at them over the years, and i'd bet that it pisses them off, because it probably isn't that funny to them. Analise the intent, by all means, what isn't measurable is how the person on the end of the joke feels, what they have experienced, or if they have been victims of racism in the past. Could you see how it would not be a joke to them?

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Ok for it to go the other way though is it. ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG5Kjsz_Y2E

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What makes you think that you can categorise levels of Racism? i am presuming that you are white? if that is the case, you would never know how it feels to have a white person, in a room with a load of other white people, make a joke about the colour of your skin, however meek or piss-poor the joke is. I can't say for sure, but i would say that plenty of black people have had 'gentle' remarks disguised as humour thrown at them over the years, and i'd bet that it pisses them off, because it probably isn't that funny to them. Analise the intent, by all means, what isn't measurable is how the person on the end of the joke feels, what they have experienced, or if they have been victims of racism in the past. Could you see how it would not be a joke to them?

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I'm saying it might not be the best thing for our society if we start hauling people into a courtroom each time someone has their feelings hurt by a piss poor joke, whatever their race, religion, ailment, weight, height...