EXTINCTION REBELLION, council conspiracy!!!!!!!!

I have a friend who is a councillor and he maintains that Cardiff Council, willingly wanted to shut off Cardiff City centre, to judge the impact on traffic.

They, the council, have for years, wanted to treat Cardiff like London and stop traffic going through the centre.

By letting EXTINCTION REBELLION, shut it off, EXTINCTION REBELLION, take the flack and the council get 3 days to test the feeling, without getting it in the neck.

Council won’t be happy until Cardiff city centre is all bus and bike lanes (deliveries in the night)

How did it happen in the other cities in the UK? They also got their answer, absolute chaos.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I have a friend who is a councillor and he maintains that Cardiff Council, willingly wanted to shut off Cardiff City centre, to judge the impact on traffic.

They, the council, have for years, wanted to treat Cardiff like London and stop traffic going through the centre.

By letting EXTINCTION REBELLION, shut it off, EXTINCTION REBELLION, take the flack and the council get 3 days to test the feeling, without getting it in the neck.

Council won’t be happy until Cardiff city centre is all bus and bike lanes (deliveries in the night)

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Where in central London stops traffic going through it?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Where in central London stops traffic going through it?

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Downing Street?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Where in central London stops traffic going through it?

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Even the most pedantic of people wouldn’t pick up on the word STOP !!!!

Ok, maybe I should have used the word “DETER”, as the congestion charge deters some people from going through London, but it STOPS me !!!!!
Never used it, never paid it (apart from coach companies, but that’s not me.

So that’s why I used STOP, as it STOPS me

Only last year, or council had a report done, on the impact of CHARGING to drive through Cardiff

Isn't limiting the number of cars and improving the public transport into a city a good thing though?

Surely nobody would want to go back to queen Street not being pedestrianised?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Isn't limiting the number of cars and improving the public transport into a city a good thing though?

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NO

Not in the case of Cardiff, which is a coastal city, not a central drive through city.

We need more access roads, not less.

Less increases jams, thus increasing pollution

Wouldn't better trains, buses and park and ride schemes reduce traffic and pollution too though.

The pedestrianised part of Cardiff is the best bit of it.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Even the most pedantic of people wouldn’t pick up on the word STOP !!!!

Ok, maybe I should have used the word “DETER”, as the congestion charge deters some people from going through London, but it STOPS me !!!!!
Never used it, never paid it (apart from coach companies, but that’s not me.

So that’s why I used STOP, as it STOPS me

Only last year, or council had a report done, on the impact of CHARGING to drive through Cardiff

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Your last sentence also says "Council won’t be happy until Cardiff city centre is all bus and bike lanes (deliveries in the night)"

Where are these access roads going to go? The only options are flyovers all the way or along the river. I doubt anyone wants this. More roads just means more traffic; the number of cars will never the stay the same, it'll only increase. Encouraging fewer cars to use the city centre is the only answer and the thing that always works best is charging money for the pleasure.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

NO

Not in the case of Cardiff, which is a coastal city, not a central drive through city.

We need more access roads, not less.

Less increases jams, thus increasing pollution

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Or you create a city that requires less cars, and then diverts the access roads around Cardiff...

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Originally Posted by lardy

Your last sentence also says "Council won’t be happy until Cardiff city centre is all bus and bike lanes (deliveries in the night)"

Where are these access roads going to go? The only options are flyovers all the way or along the river. I doubt anyone wants this. More roads just means more traffic; the number of cars will never the stay the same, it'll only increase. Encouraging fewer cars to use the city centre is the only answer and the thing that always works best is charging money for the pleasure.

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System of tunnels like Boston?
Can't see anyone paying for that lot.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Jill, what do you think about the pedestrianisation of Cardiff city centre? I’ll be honest I’m dead against it. People forget that traders need access to DIXONS... They do say it’ll help people in wheEEEeelchairs…

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Wouldn't better trains, buses and park and ride schemes reduce traffic and pollution too though.

The pedestrianised part of Cardiff is the best bit of it.

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I'd question the totality of this post and your previous one.
yes less cars and more public transport is good but we know from experience we get one without the other. they will, if they get the chance stop cars but the public transport to compensate for that will not be funded and will not be in place.

The second comment is only partially true. Queen street has been pedestrian for so long its only olde duffers like me that can remember when it wasn't and its is OK, but the pedestrianising of St Mary street was and is a disaster. It ruined businesses and footfall of people who spend money fell. you only have to og there to see that shops are always closing . It was great before and allowed the passage of the public transport you advocate. If it was still open there would not be a lock-out when something was going on at the stadium, which drives even more shoppers out of the centre on top of the ones who don't come because of the event anyway. doing your shopping on a Saturday then finding the buses have stopped 3 hours before an event is scheduled, and having to carry your shopping to the far end of Tudor Street, and still pay the same fare, is not the way to bring people onto public transport.

Isn't St Mary's street being empty more to do with the indoor shopping centres rather than the pedestrianisation?

Who was driving to St Mary St to shop that doesn't go any more? You can still drive and park a few minutes walk away (Sophia Gardens and the multi storeys).

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I have a friend who is a councillor and he maintains that Cardiff Council, willingly wanted to shut off Cardiff City centre, to judge the impact on traffic.

They, the council, have for years, wanted to treat Cardiff like London and stop traffic going through the centre.

By letting EXTINCTION REBELLION, shut it off, EXTINCTION REBELLION, take the flack and the council get 3 days to test the feeling, without getting it in the neck.

Council won’t be happy until Cardiff city centre is all bus and bike lanes (deliveries in the night)

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Great, the sooner we get to an Amsterdam level the better.....

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Originally Posted by lardy

Who was driving to St Mary St to shop that doesn't go any more? You can still drive and park a few minutes walk away (Sophia Gardens and the multi storeys).

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What people can do and what they do do are different things. People walking into the centre tend to bypass the top of St Mary street because of the route they take. Also you used to be able to park in the evening if you went for a meal. But the worst part is the loss of the road to public transport which the council claim to want everyone to use

I'd agree with most above, City Centre is pretty much closed anyway, as it is we can just skirt it around the castle or Penarth road the other way, it would be crazy to close anything further though?

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

NO

Not in the case of Cardiff, which is a coastal city, not a central drive through city.

We need more access roads, not less.

Less increases jams, thus increasing pollution

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You should read this. You're so wrong it's painful.


https://www.tsu.ox.ac.uk/pubs/1062-g...nny-stokes.pdf

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

What people can do and what they do do are different things. People walking into the centre tend to bypass the top of St Mary street because of the route they take. Also you used to be able to park in the evening if you went for a meal. But the worst part is the loss of the road to public transport which the council claim to want everyone to use

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Do you have any proof of this? I wouldn’t think not being able to drive down st Mary’s has had a big affect on the number of people using the shops.

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

You should read this. You're so wrong it's painful.


https://www.tsu.ox.ac.uk/pubs/1062-g...nny-stokes.pdf

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Got bored just reading the title

30 year old twaddle

The other effect is the large financial business in Cardiff which up the economy and provide jobs , they were badly effected and at teems you have to be careful what you wish for

[QUOTE=rudy gestede;4989043]Do you have any proof of this? I wouldn’t think not being able to drive down st Mary’s has had a big affect on the number of people using the shops.[/QUOTE

You're entitled to think what you like. Carry on

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Originally Posted by life on mars

The other effect is the large financial business in Cardiff which up the economy and provide jobs , they were badly effected and at teems you have to be careful what you wish for

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No one is banning people from the city though.

Public transport just needs to be improved and people need to get less overly dependent on cars. The large financial institutions in London don't seem to be affected by people not driving to them.

[QUOTE=xsnaggle;4989054]

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Do you have any proof of this? I wouldn’t think not being able to drive down st Mary’s has had a big affect on the number of people using the shops.[/QUOTE

You're entitled to think what you like. Carry on

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So there's no proof then?

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

I have a friend who is a councillor and he maintains that Cardiff Council, willingly wanted to shut off Cardiff City centre, to judge the impact on traffic.

They, the council, have for years, wanted to treat Cardiff like London and stop traffic going through the centre.

By letting EXTINCTION REBELLION, shut it off, EXTINCTION REBELLION, take the flack and the council get 3 days to test the feeling, without getting it in the neck.

Council won’t be happy until Cardiff city centre is all bus and bike lanes (deliveries in the night)

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You can drive through most of London except you have to pay the climate bribe.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Who was driving to St Mary St to shop that doesn't go any more? You can still drive and park a few minutes walk away (Sophia Gardens and the multi storeys).

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Clearly have no idea about how people shop. Ever heard of the mantra location, location, location.

I've seen businesses fail because of customers of having to walk across a street or just around a corner.

If you think that parking in Sophia Gardens isn't going to deter a large number of people shopping then you're deluded.

The 'shopping centre' needs as much as it can to thrive, in light of online shopping, homogeneous out of town retail parks, car parking charges, huge rates and rents.

The days of town thriving with individualised shops, cafes and restaurants are long gone, as only corporates can afford to do so.

Most of Cardiff city centre is owned by London or off shore pension vehicles.

A desolate, shabby or 'corporatised' city centre will Cardiff and it's image any good at all.

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Originally Posted by JDerrida

Clearly have no idea about how people shop. Ever heard of the mantra location, location, location.

I've seen businesses fail because of customers of having to walk across a street or just around a corner.

If you think that parking in Sophia Gardens isn't going to deter a large number of people shopping then you're deluded.

The 'shopping centre' needs as much as it can to thrive, in light of online shopping, homogeneous out of town retail parks, car parking charges, huge rates and rents.

The days of town thriving with individualised shops, cafes and restaurants are long gone, as only corporates can afford to do so.

Most of Cardiff city centre is owned by London or off shore pension vehicles.

A desolate, shabby or 'corporatised' city centre will Cardiff and it's image any good at all.

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Are you saying you used to park outside each shop you went to on St Mary St? Then drive over to another bit of town? Or did you walk?

As it happens, you've mentioned a lot of things which are undoubtedly genuine factors in the decline of SMS. If you think that being able to park outside the shops is the biggest factor then you're deluded.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Even the most pedantic of people wouldn’t pick up on the word STOP !!!!

Ok, maybe I should have used the word “DETER”, as the congestion charge deters some people from going through London, but it STOPS me !!!!!
Never used it, never paid it (apart from coach companies, but that’s not me.

So that’s why I used STOP, as it STOPS me

Only last year, or council had a report done, on the impact of CHARGING to drive through Cardiff

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Did your mate tell you that too

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Originally Posted by JDerrida

Clearly have no idea about how people shop. Ever heard of the mantra location, location, location.

I've seen businesses fail because of customers of having to walk across a street or just around a corner.

If you think that parking in Sophia Gardens isn't going to deter a large number of people shopping then you're deluded.

The 'shopping centre' needs as much as it can to thrive, in light of online shopping, homogeneous out of town retail parks, car parking charges, huge rates and rents.

The days of town thriving with individualised shops, cafes and restaurants are long gone, as only corporates can afford to do so.

Most of Cardiff city centre is owned by London or off shore pension vehicles.

A desolate, shabby or 'corporatised' city centre will Cardiff and it's image any good at all.

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You’ve undermined your whole point by then listing the genuine reasons :hehe:

Think location location location means being able to park outside it too :hehe:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Are you saying you used to park outside each shop you went to on St Mary St? Then drive over to another bit of town? Or did you walk?

As it happens, you've mentioned a lot of things which are undoubtedly genuine factors in the decline of SMS. If you think that being able to park outside the shops is the biggest factor then you're deluded.

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I think it is a generational thing. I live neat to the town of Pontypridd and they seem to be in a constant battle of whether to pedestrianize the high street or not. Now they allow buses down the high street, instead of a stop 100 yards away.

Personally i dislike the shopping experience where you have traffic driving between you, cars parked, and limited space in on the walkways.

With Cardiff I love parking in Sophia Gardens, walking through Bute Park, and into the city centre. Coming back to the car laden with bags. It is all part of the shopping experience.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Got bored just reading the title

30 year old twaddle

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I imagine your brain is stuck in about 1980, so it's ahead of your time anyway.

Westgate Street the next to be pedestrianised.

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Originally Posted by JDerrida

Clearly have no idea about how people shop. Ever heard of the mantra location, location, location.

I've seen businesses fail because of customers of having to walk across a street or just around a corner.

If you think that parking in Sophia Gardens isn't going to deter a large number of people shopping then you're deluded.

The 'shopping centre' needs as much as it can to thrive, in light of online shopping, homogeneous out of town retail parks, car parking charges, huge rates and rents.

The days of town thriving with individualised shops, cafes and restaurants are long gone, as only corporates can afford to do so.

Most of Cardiff city centre is owned by London or off shore pension vehicles.

A desolate, shabby or 'corporatised' city centre will Cardiff and it's image any good at all.

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And on this part - it's now quicker to cross St Mary St. I remember having to wait for ages for the lights at the Goat.

St Mary's Street pedestrianisation (is that a word?) has been a mess for me. Previously was a decent thoroughfare, can't see how that could possibly have any positive influence on footfall or the success of businesses in the area.

Most telling thing for me is walking through the arcades that run into the street, in a lot of the shop windows are the posters supporting the reopening of the street to traffic.

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Originally Posted by goats

Did your mate tell you that too

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No, I read it in the EGGO

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Originally Posted by Der Kaiser

I imagine your brain is stuck in about 1980, so it's ahead of your time anyway.

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1960’s me :thumbup: if it’s not Motown, it’s not worth listening to :hehe:

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Originally Posted by JDerrida

Clearly have no idea about how people shop. Ever heard of the mantra location, location, location.

I've seen businesses fail because of customers of having to walk across a street or just around a corner.

If you think that parking in Sophia Gardens isn't going to deter a large number of people shopping then you're deluded.

The 'shopping centre' needs as much as it can to thrive, in light of online shopping, homogeneous out of town retail parks, car parking charges, huge rates and rents.

The days of town thriving with individualised shops, cafes and restaurants are long gone, as only corporates can afford to do so.

Most of Cardiff city centre is owned by London or off shore pension vehicles.

A desolate, shabby or 'corporatised' city centre will Cardiff and it's image any good at all.

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Lots of Cardiff city centre is actually owned by the council. They get a fair amount of rent from it too

I do love these keyboard adjudicators who demand "Proof" every time someone disagrees with anything they post.
If they were like that with people in the pub they'd last about 2 minutes before they were billy no mates.

Oh hangon................