How can Jersey be so far ahead of us ?

Ok , other than the obvious Jersey is tiny compared to the UK .

My mates are playing golf over there today , only two balls. They are allowed to visit friends a maximum of 4 people which is getting raised next week.
Pubs are reopening next week . With social distancing .

My friends painting and decorating business is back to work on Monday , all on outside jobs but they are back in work.

Surely if we were sensible , we are quite capable of keeping our distance from each other and going about our business?

No evidence to suggest that a lot of folk are in any way sensible if Fridays VE bbq and piss reports up are anything to go by

Do your friends live there? Or are they visiting?

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Originally Posted by light up the darkness

No evidence to suggest that a lot of folk are in any way sensible if Fridays VE bbq and piss reports up are anything to go by

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And loads of people at some Market in Hackney, picnics in parks etc. The photos that i saw were certainly not a cross section of Hackney's population. It looked like the entitled white middle class who seem to think that going out and buying artisan bread is an essential.

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Originally Posted by light up the darkness

No evidence to suggest that a lot of folk are in any way sensible if Fridays VE bbq and piss reports up are anything to go by

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There are some stupid people in Jersey as well.

Didn't the party goers keep their social distance?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

There are some stupid people in Jersey as well.

Didn't the party goers keep their social distance?

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There was a post on here about the A&E department at Royal Glamorgan being put at risk by so many pissed up people falling over drunk and having to go to hospital

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There was a post on here about the A&E department at Royal Glamorgan being put at risk by so many pissed up people falling over drunk and having to go to hospital

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Echoed by a couple of people I know who work in different A&E departments. Both reckon Friday night was bonkers. One, who works in Princess of Wales, said she knew of colleagues who suffered verbal abuse by some drunks and police had to invervene.

I cannot imagine how social distancing would work in pubs. A queuing system, like the supermarkets, wouldn't work - generally people display patience outside Tesco, but I can't see that level of patience happening. The first night pubs are allowed to reopen will see crowds going out. Pubs won't have the capacity to deal with that, so what happens then? People buying cans and bottles from local shops and getting pissed on the pavement?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Do your friends live there? Or are they visiting?

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They live there.
I don't think you can travel to Jersey at the moment.

I had ferry tickets for Easter , sailing was cancelled , ferry company have offered to rebook. If I want a refund that will be a couple of months away.

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Echoed by a couple of people I know who work in different A&E departments. Both reckon Friday night was bonkers. One, who works in Princess of Wales, said she knew of colleagues who suffered verbal abuse by some drunks and police had to invervene.

I cannot imagine how social distancing would work in pubs. A queuing system, like the supermarkets, wouldn't work - generally people display patience outside Tesco, but I can't see that level of patience happening. The first night pubs are allowed to reopen will see crowds going out. Pubs won't have the capacity to deal with that, so what happens then? People buying cans and bottles from local shops and getting pissed on the pavement?

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The stupid people will always be about.

Are you saying life wont be able to get back to some kind of normality because we have to cater for stupid people?
Not everyone gets drunk out of their minds because the local pub is open.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

There are some stupid people in Jersey as well.

Didn't the party goers keep their social distance?

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Some probably did, these dicks however...

https://twitter.com/Arjan22G/status/...180016640?s=20

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Some probably did, these dicks however...

https://twitter.com/Arjan22G/status/...180016640?s=20

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Every jingoistic stereotype in that clip and not a black face on offer. Should be sponsered by the Sun. Isn't there just something awful about it? (apart from the spread of Covid 19)

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Every jingoistic stereotype in that clip and not a black face on offer. Should be sponsered by the Sun. Isn't there just something awful about it? (apart from the spread of Covid 19)

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What is the relevance of whether there are any black folks in the scene or not? The guy holding the camera may have been black for all you know.
It seems like you are trying to make something racist out of nothing.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

And loads of people at some Market in Hackney, picnics in parks etc. The photos that i saw were certainly not a cross section of Hackney's population. It looked like the entitled white middle class who seem to think that going out and buying artisan bread is an essential.

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I live in Hackney and London fields is the same most days when I run past. People are morons unfortunately. Victoria park nearby has people patrolling it, no idea why London fields doesn’t.

It’s still less than 5% of what you’d get on a normal bank holiday but why people have to be so stupid and selfish is beyond me.

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Every jingoistic stereotype in that clip and not a black face on offer. Should be sponsered by the Sun. Isn't there just something awful about it? (apart from the spread of Covid 19)

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That whole scene makes me :puke:

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What is the relevance of whether there are any black folks in the scene or not? The guy holding the camera may have been black for all you know.
It seems like you are trying to make something racist out of nothing.

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Certainly not my mate. Didn't see many ethnic groups celebrating VE day, which is a surprise don't you think considering what the Colonies did in helping to defeat Fascism. Let's face it, these kind of events are white middle class, seems like they're celebrating the Away Win.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

That whole scene makes me :puke:

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With you Delm.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I live in Hackney and London fields is the same most days when I run past. People are morons unfortunately. Victoria park nearby has people patrolling it, no idea why London fields doesn’t.

It’s still less than 5% of what you’d get on a normal bank holiday but why people have to be so stupid and selfish is beyond me.

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In my opinion there's a sense of entitlement within some groups of the population who have a bit more disposable income.

I wonder if Taunton Blue Genie has ever been to Jersey?

So no one knows or is interested why we are allowed to visit the garden centre but not the pub?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

So no one knows or is interested why we are allowed to visit the garden centre but not the pub?

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I'm interested, fcuk the garden centre lol
i wonder how many people who have no interst in buying flowers will go to a garden centre just for an excuse to get out of the house.

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So no one knows or is interested why we are allowed to visit the garden centre but not the pub?

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Apparently, some pubs are doing Take Away pints according to the Observer. Imagine carrying them home.

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I'm interested, fcuk the garden centre lol
i wonder how many people who have no interst in buying flowers will go to a garden centre just for an excuse to get out of the house.

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That would be an act of desperation. I don't go to these places when things are normal.

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In my opinion there's a sense of entitlement within some groups of the population who have a bit more disposable income.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

In my opinion there's a sense of entitlement within some groups of the population who have a bit more disposable income.

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Must be my neighbours, there were dozens of people outside sunbathing yesterday . They have closed the path to stop people from other areas getting onto our little bit of grass. I will be honest I thought the rules must have changed ….
Entitled bastards...

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Ok , other than the obvious Jersey is tiny compared to the UK .

My mates are playing golf over there today , only two balls. They are allowed to visit friends a maximum of 4 people which is getting raised next week.
Pubs are reopening next week . With social distancing .

My friends painting and decorating business is back to work on Monday , all on outside jobs but they are back in work.

Surely if we were sensible , we are quite capable of keeping our distance from each other and going about our business?

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Has there been much covid there? I doubt it? Maybe that’s why? Bit like in wales, but we have to suffer on for a few more weeks yet....

Those who are asking why they can't go to pubs might want to know that it is being reported that South Korea's decision to close bars and clubs in Seoul because of a new outbreak of fifty cases is being put down to the actions of one person in their twenties who visited many different clubs in one night

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Has there been much covid there? I doubt it? Maybe that’s why? Bit like in wales, but we have to suffer on for a few more weeks yet....

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Tom Moody played cricket for Western Australia and for his country and happened to mention in a sports programme I watched yesterday that there had only been eight death from COVID in the whole state (its biggest city Perth has a population of something like two thirds the size of Wales) - we've had 8 people die of this f*cking virus in Treherbert! Wales' figures may not look bad compared to England, but they are bad, worse than most other European countries and worse, proportionately than Scotland.

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Ok , other than the obvious Jersey is tiny compared to the UK .

My mates are playing golf over there today , only two balls. They are allowed to visit friends a maximum of 4 people which is getting raised next week.
Pubs are reopening next week . With social distancing .

My friends painting and decorating business is back to work on Monday , all on outside jobs but they are back in work.

Surely if we were sensible , we are quite capable of keeping our distance from each other and going about our business?

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your right and I've highlighted the important bit ,in fact can't I understand why golf courses were shut down anyways

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Wales' figures may not look bad compared to England, but they are bad, worse than most other European countries and worse, proportionately than Scotland.

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New Zealand - population 4.8 million, deaths with Covid-19 = 21

Wales - population 3.1 million, deaths with Covid-19 = 1,111

New Zealand closed its borders to foreigners on 19th March and introduced a mandatory 14-day quarantine for any of its returning residents on 9th April.

Apparently, Boris and Co are thinking of introducing similar measures at the end of May.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

The stupid people will always be about.

Are you saying life wont be able to get back to some kind of normality because we have to cater for stupid people?
Not everyone gets drunk out of their minds because the local pub is open.

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Pretty much. I agree with your point about pubs, but at certain times of the week some of them do attract idiots. There needs to be a strategy to deal with that or we have repeats of Friday night in many places.

I am 99% certain that the reason this lockdown hasn't been relaxed sooner is because stupid people haven't followed this one properly and wouldn't follow the relaxed rules. While people wilfully neglect the rules, the more difficult it is to lower the numbers dying.

They're the ones spoiling it for the rest

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Tom Moody played cricket for Western Australia and for his country and happened to mention in a sports programme I watched yesterday that there had only been eight death from COVID in the whole state (its biggest city Perth has a population of something like two thirds the size of Wales) - we've had 8 people die of this f*cking virus in Treherbert! Wales' figures may not look bad compared to England, but they are bad, worse than most other European countries and worse, proportionately than Scotland.

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Think Perth is about a million people, it’s such an isolated city mind, I spent 2 years in Oz and still never made it over the nullarbor......wish I had now mind. 200 deaths in Cardiff county (600,000) almost half of which are in care homes I heard. Surely that’s a low amount and shows we have adhered to the lockdown? How low do we go before we can ease some restrictions and concentrate on track and trace?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Those who are asking why they can't go to pubs might want to know that it is being reported that South Korea's decision to close bars and clubs in Seoul because of a new outbreak of fifty cases is being put down to the actions of one person in their twenties who visited many different clubs in one night

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I would question opening pubs myself . There would have to be a capability to keep your 2 metres from others.
South Korea did appear to have dealt with the virus particularly well originally.

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New Zealand - population 4.8 million, deaths with Covid-19 = 21

Wales - population 3.1 million, deaths with Covid-19 = 1,111

New Zealand closed its borders to foreigners on 19th March and introduced a mandatory 14-day quarantine for any of its returning residents on 9th April.

Apparently, Boris and Co are thinking of introducing similar measures at the end of May.

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Aren't New Zealand and Australia are opening their borders to each other with unrestricted travel?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I would question opening pubs myself . There would have to be a capability to keep your 2 metres from others.
South Korea did appear to have dealt with the virus particularly well originally.

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Interesting about one person infecting others by going to several bars. Maybe when things do open here in about 5 years yo7 will only be allowed to visit one venue or restaurant on a night out.....

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Aren't New Zealand and Australia are opening their borders to each other with unrestricted travel?

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Possibly....

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Apparently, some pubs are doing Take Away pints according to the Observer. Imagine carrying them home.

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Supermarket essential shopping rule applies. Place bottles (or cans) in your car boot after purchase.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I would question opening pubs myself . There would have to be a capability to keep your 2 metres from others.
South Korea did appear to have dealt with the virus particularly well originally.

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I read something interesting last week about Taiwan - but can't find it now (in the Guardian I think).

If I remember rightly they have not imposed a lockdown - but they have tested and traced early and thoroughly, and have required social distancing which the population have followed. They have had very few cases and very few deaths, and have managed (even with social distancing) to minimise the economic impact.

They were out of the loop earlier in the pandemic because of their relationship with China - and outside the normal WHO circulation list too I think. I don't know how exposed they were to the original outbreak but they clearly had the virus come across their border and have done something different from most others that seems to have worked. Quick and decisive action, carried out with an informed public giving their consent, and staying ahead of the curve - not playing catch up.

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Think Perth is about a million people, it’s such an isolated city mind, I spent 2 years in Oz and still never made it over the nullarbor......wish I had now mind. 200 deaths in Cardiff county (600,000) almost half of which are in care homes I heard. Surely that’s a low amount and shows we have adhered to the lockdown? How low do we go before we can ease some restrictions and concentrate on track and trace?

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The population of Perth in 2016 was 1.985 million. Let's discount all those people in care homes in Cardiff and the Vale who have died for now then and say it's only 100 who have died - only five people have died in Norwich apparently, so twenty times that doesn't look good does it. Similarly, Wales has a lot of counties where the virus has not made too big an impact so that helps our figures, but the ones for counties like Gwent, Cardiff and the Vale and RCT are poor compared to many similar sized places in England.

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Certainly not my mate. Didn't see many ethnic groups celebrating VE day, which is a surprise don't you think considering what the Colonies did in helping to defeat Fascism. Let's face it, these kind of events are white middle class, seems like they're celebrating the Away Win.

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More than played their part imo and got nothing but a good kick in the bollocks and a reminder to keep in their place

My brother in law had a takeaway pint in a beer garden in London yesterday

Seen a few painter and decorators doing outside jobs.

I’ve yet to see any police trying to enforce lockdown. It’s not been a strict lockdown.

I’m neither left nor right but it does seem to me the ones screaming for lockdown and going mental at any sort of easement are the lefties who just want to bash the government and are happy to sit on their jacks for 80% not looking at the bigger picture long term.

We can’t shut down indefinitely until a vaccine is found, it may never be found. Unfortunately we are going to have to learn to live with covid and come up with solutions within each sector / industry / business to do so.