Dutch kids all return to school

No fuss or bother.....

https://www.tes.com/news/all-dutch-p...hool-heres-how

Just sensible

Unless you personally know every Dutch child I don't think you can make this claim and I'll take no notice of it.

Good day to you.

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Originally Posted by goats

No fuss or bother.....

https://www.tes.com/news/all-dutch-p...hool-heres-how

Just sensible

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Will they be taking Double Dutch lessons to catch up ???

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Unless you personally know every Dutch child I don't think you can make this claim and I'll take no notice of it.

Good day to you.

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Did you post that just for a bit of attention? If so, it worked on me.What a daft laddie you come across as.

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Originally Posted by goats

No fuss or bother.....

https://www.tes.com/news/all-dutch-p...hool-heres-how

Just sensible

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Not totally accurate with your message heading. All primary school kids have returned. There's no news on secondary schools.

It's probably helpful that the infection rate is lower there than here, however there seems to be little regard for the fact children can be carriers without having any symptoms. I have a good friend who is a teacher and head of his department at a secondary school. He's been told he has to resume work, despite some minor health conditions that put him on the "at risk" list. Unions are now involved. Employers presumably have a legal obligation to ensure staff are safe, so it'll be interesting to see how it pans out

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Not totally accurate with your message heading. All primary school kids have returned. There's no news on secondary schools.

It's probably helpful that the infection rate is lower there than here, however there seems to be little regard for the fact children can be carriers without having any symptoms. I have a good friend who is a teacher and head of his department at a secondary school. He's been told he has to resume work, despite some minor health conditions that put him on the "at risk" list. Unions are now involved. Employers presumably have a legal obligation to ensure staff are safe, so it'll be interesting to see how it pans out

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That's the problem, the teachers seem too scared to go back to work.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Not totally accurate with your message heading. All primary school kids have returned. There's no news on secondary schools.

It's probably helpful that the infection rate is lower there than here, however there seems to be little regard for the fact children can be carriers without having any symptoms. I have a good friend who is a teacher and head of his department at a secondary school. He's been told he has to resume work, despite some minor health conditions that put him on the "at risk" list. Unions are now involved. Employers presumably have a legal obligation to ensure staff are safe, so it'll be interesting to see how it pans out

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Are you talking about a friend who is a teacher here or in Holland. I thought only 'serious' health conditions put people at risk not minor ones.
with regard to the unions stance I saw somewhere that the unions said schools should stay closed until it was 100% safe. No school is ever that, either from flu falling over in the classroom or being accidentally stabbed with a pencil. I believe that on top of their rightful concern for their members they are adding a political level of obstruction.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Did you post that just for a bit of attention? If so, it worked on me.What a daft laddie you come across as.

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Don't stay up drinking on your own until 330am, it makes you moody. Get some sleep and cheer up.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Are you talking about a friend who is a teacher here or in Holland. I thought only 'serious' health conditions put people at risk not minor ones.
with regard to the unions stance I saw somewhere that the unions said schools should stay closed until it was 100% safe. No school is ever that, either from flu falling over in the classroom or being accidentally stabbed with a pencil. I believe that on top of their rightful concern for their members they are adding a political level of obstruction.

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He teaches in a comp in one of the valleys. I do some instrumental teaching in the school where he used to teach and they've come up with their own risk assessment for staff. Had he still been there, he would be told not to return under their parameters.

I agree that schools are never 100% safe, but surely schools have a duty of care to staff and pupils to minimize risks. I hardly think unions are demanding 100% safety, that's impossible in a school environment, but that all steps are taken to minimize the effects on staff and pupils. If someone considered vunerable if they contracted Covid-19 was forced into a position where they would be more at risk of catching it, surely that must be considered negligence? You can't draw parallels from conditions like flu, not until those at risk from the flu can at least get vaccinated.

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Originally Posted by Bluebina

That's the problem, the teachers seem too scared to go back to work.

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All of them? From where do you obtain this extensive knowledge?

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Don't stay up drinking on your own until 330am, it makes you moody. Get some sleep and cheer up.

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Up for work son. Already done half a shift, while you’re still in your scratcher cuddling your teddy 👍

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

All of them? From where do you obtain this extensive knowledge?

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They must seem to be too scared to go back to work though... when one doesn't know any teachers and can therefore have no basis to form this opinion.

Teachers are pretty much like every other profession... There are good ones and shit ones. The shit ones may not want to go back, but I'd need first hand knowledge of that to make that assumption and to know how many of them are "scared" of returning. Those with existing health conditions which makes them high risk should not be included in this debate... And of course there will be some.

Those with kids who are saying shit like this will be incredibly surprised when they learn the number of teachers that will be returning on June 29th.

And xsnaggle... Your comment about the unions is completely false btw. If you search for it, you will find nothing of the sort has been said about schools being "100% safe" before returning. That's not to say the unions haven't been doing some union-like things though.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Up for work son. Already done half a shift, while you’re still in your scratcher cuddling your teddy ��

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One day, like William Treseder, I aspire to be spending my life working at 330am. For now this teddy will have to do :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

He teaches in a comp in one of the valleys. I do some instrumental teaching in the school where he used to teach and they've come up with their own risk assessment for staff. Had he still been there, he would be told not to return under their parameters.

I agree that schools are never 100% safe, but surely schools have a duty of care to staff and pupils to minimize risks. I hardly think unions are demanding 100% safety, that's impossible in a school environment, but that all steps are taken to minimize the effects on staff and pupils. If someone considered vunerable if they contracted Covid-19 was forced into a position where they would be more at risk of catching it, surely that must be considered negligence? You can't draw parallels from conditions like flu, not until those at risk from the flu can at least get vaccinated.

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But someone classed as vulnerable shouldn't be there in the first place. And I did see somewhere, (admittedly some weeks ago where a union rep said exactly that, 'our members shouldn't be made ot go back until it is 100% safe'. (Paraphrased)
I think you have to strike a balance in all things. Make it as safe as you can but sooner or later the kids have to go back to school and the longer you leave it the worse it will be for them

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

But someone classed as vulnerable shouldn't be there in the first place.

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I think you misunderstand. I'm talking about minor conditions which, if a person contracted Covid-19, would make them vunerable from serious health issues and death. These minor conditions don't stop teachers from teaching. If they did, you'd lose a good percentage of your teaching staff.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

All of them? From where do you obtain this extensive knowledge?

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Well enough of them like your mate to stop schools opening for all in England until September, and they'll probably try and drag it out longer than that.

You only have to watch the news to see them roll out the teachers and Heads saying it's hard because little kids won't self distance.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Unless you personally know every Dutch child I don't think you can make this claim and I'll take no notice of it.

Good day to you.

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I want that in writing

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Originally Posted by goats

I want that in writing

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Originally Posted by Bluebina

That's the problem, the teachers seem too scared to go back to work.

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Or just dont want too.....In some cases? Reading about schools in Denmark, Germany and now Holland, they’ve all been surprised how smooth it’s gone and what a huge fuss we make of things here.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

But someone classed as vulnerable shouldn't be there in the first place. And I did see somewhere, (admittedly some weeks ago where a union rep said exactly that, 'our members shouldn't be made ot go back until it is 100% safe'. (Paraphrased)
I think you have to strike a balance in all things. Make it as safe as you can but sooner or later the kids have to go back to school and the longer you leave it the worse it will be for them

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100% safe....is everything you do 100% safe? There must be an awful lot of things you cannot do if you base a risk assessment on this. Can you even walk downstairs safely? People die falling down stairs every day

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100% safe....is everything you do 100% safe? There must be an awful lot of things you cannot do if you base a risk assessment on this. Can you even walk downstairs safely? People die falling down stairs every day

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People Killed Falling Down Stairs Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by goats

Or just dont want too.....In some cases? Reading about schools in Denmark, Germany and now Holland, they’ve all been surprised how smooth it’s gone and what a huge fuss we make of things here.

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maybe when infections here are as low in those countries then we will also be opening back up

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Originally Posted by Rjk

maybe when infections here are as low in those countries then we will also be opening back up

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I think this is the 3rd or 4th time this has been pointed out.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Are you talking about a friend who is a teacher here or in Holland. I thought only 'serious' health conditions put people at risk not minor ones.
with regard to the unions stance I saw somewhere that the unions said schools should stay closed until it was 100% safe. No school is ever that, either from flu falling over in the classroom or being accidentally stabbed with a pencil. I believe that on top of their rightful concern for their members they are adding a political level of obstruction.

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Are teachers furloughed? If not, that would explain the union stance.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Not totally accurate with your message heading. All primary school kids have returned. There's no news on secondary schools.

It's probably helpful that the infection rate is lower there than here, however there seems to be little regard for the fact children can be carriers without having any symptoms. I have a good friend who is a teacher and head of his department at a secondary school. He's been told he has to resume work, despite some minor health conditions that put him on the "at risk" list. Unions are now involved. Employers presumably have a legal obligation to ensure staff are safe, so it'll be interesting to see how it pans out

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They started with half classes....it was so straightforward they decided to go full. Love the way they disregard social distancing for the kids, it’s a ridiculous idea which only given air time here to keep the media whore running and schools shut

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Originally Posted by Rjk

maybe when infections here are as low in those countries then we will also be opening back up

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It’s pretty low here in Wales but let’s keep everything shut until nobody dies of anything I reckon, apart from insanity, that allowed.:biggrin:

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It’s pretty low here in Wales but let’s keep everything shut until nobody dies of anything I reckon, apart from insanity, that allowed.:biggrin:

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... And that's why schools are now going to be opening in two weeks, like you were hoping for, instead of in September... ya clart :hehe:

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It’s pretty low here in Wales but let’s keep everything shut until nobody dies of anything I reckon, apart from insanity, that allowed.:biggrin:

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using this handy tool

We can see that the rate of infections per million in the UK today is what it was in Holland in the first week of May, and the rate of deaths per million are the same as the middle of May in the Netherlands.

On a like for like basis we are opening up a lot sooner than they did!

When does the school term end there? If I was a school teacher, I don't think I'd fancy being stuck in a classroom with 30 five or six year olds for 2 or 3 weeks. Why risk it? The first school mentioned had 432 kids in attendance. If they all washed their hands only once a day that would take over 14 1/2 hours. Let's say they have 10 sinks and each kid washes their hands 4 times, that's still almost 6 hours a day.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

I think this is the 3rd or 4th time this has been pointed out.

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When Denmark reopened the junior schools their infection rate was 0.6. It then rose to 0.9

Is all the UK currently 0.6 ?

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Originally Posted by Bluebina

Well enough of them like your mate to stop schools opening for all in England until September, and they'll probably try and drag it out longer than that.

You only have to watch the news to see them roll out the teachers and Heads saying it's hard because little kids won't self distance.

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Fair play, you’ve responded to his question with a whirl of hard facts and statistics.:biggrin:

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Fair play, you’ve responded to his question with a whirl of hard facts and statistics.:biggrin:

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When someone knows feck all, no point replying to them.

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Originally Posted by Bluebina

Well enough of them like your mate to stop schools opening for all in England until September, and they'll probably try and drag it out longer than that.

You only have to watch the news to see them roll out the teachers and Heads saying it's hard because little kids won't self distance.

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Isn't it obvious to anyone that's had kids or been around that the little ones don't have the self-discipline or concentration to not self-distance?

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

People Killed Falling Down Stairs Lives Matter

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I was told off for accessing and egressing on a wall half a metre tall before, you could literally sit down and swing your legs off and be on your merry way.. some witch saw and went off her health and safety head..caused ructions in our office.. so the next day I recorded her driving over 5mph with no belt on and no hard hat/glasses ( on site so required according to the rules she followed, and bashed me with)

Our lot sent it to her lot and that was that.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Isn't it obvious to anyone that's had kids or been around that the little ones don't have the self-discipline or concentration to not self-distance?

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It’s a pointless exercise which they have abandoned in Holland, but kept it between kids and adults where they can. Must be the deep thought analysis they go through while smoking the weed that enables them to come up with such a ground breaking idea, it’s way out of unions and government leagues.....

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

People Killed Falling Down Stairs Lives Matter

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I think these stair things will need banning until they are 100% safe. Maybe we need to ban alcohol, driving, and even having a dump. You will be shocked to hear how many people can die on the shitter. That’s it, no more dumps until it’s 100% safe to do so:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Fair play, you’ve responded to his question with a whirl of hard facts and statistics.:biggrin:

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Do you need statistics its obvious?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

When someone knows feck all, no point replying to them.

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I know your mates to scared to go to school you said so?

You said he's got the union involved so he doesn't have to go?

So after all the fuss and drama, my two are going back in for a whopping two half days in the next 6 weeks.....

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Isn't it obvious to anyone that's had kids or been around that the little ones don't have the self-discipline or concentration to not self-distance?

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Yep.

My 2-year old's nursery re-opened last week. We had a letter explaining the measures that they were taking, but the basic position was: "you can't get children to socially distance, so we won't be doing it amongst the kids. Nor are we going to wear face masks, because it will just scare them". Instead they are trying to keep the kids in mini groups which do not interact with one another. So my son has 4 or 5 kids in his mini group, and amongst themselves they pretty much carry on as before. In addition they are doing a hell of a lot of cleaning, and a focus on washing hands. (it is working - he will happily spend 5 minutes washing his hands now). They are pretty vigilant when it comes to distancing amongst the adults/parents, though.

Obviously nursery is a different beast to schools: the staff to child ratio is 3-1 in nursery, and ten times that in a school. But I did have some respect for the nursery for deciding not to even try. Which, it seems, is also the policy for every supermarket I've been to during lockdown- I've yet to go to one where staff made any discernible effort to maintain distance from each other or the customers. Although by far and away the most flagrant breaches of the social distancing rules I've seen have been hospital staff, sat in huge groups eating their lunch right at the peak of the outbreak. Even my builders made token attempts to stay 2m apart, which is really quite difficult when you are lifting a bath which is 1.8m long.