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		a lot of comedy dates 
Only fools and horses , one foot in the sodding grave etc 
But Fawlty Towers , Porridge etc are so well written they still seem fresh 
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SLUDGE FACTORY
				
			 
			a lot of comedy dates 
Only fools and horses , one foot in the sodding grave etc 
But Fawlty Towers , Porridge etc are so well written they still seem fresh 
Fawlty Titties
			
		
	 
 Fawlty Towers seems fresh? It's a great comedy, but it's so stuck in the 70s I couldn't confuse it with modern day life.
	 
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		I watched a couple of episodes of On The Buses on Forces TV, early Sunday morning. Compelling viewing, so bad it was good, God we were easy pleased back then yet to this day people still occasionally give you an ‘I ‘ate you Butler’ as if it’s a line from a classic show.
	 
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			I watched a couple of episodes of On The Buses on Forces TV, early Sunday morning. Compelling viewing, so bad it was good, God we were easy pleased back then yet to this day people still occasionally give you an ‘I ‘ate you Butler’ as if it’s a line from a classic show.
			
		
	 
 The 3 films that came afterwards did pretty well. I think the first 'On The Buses' film in 1971 was the most grossing film of the year, even beating 'Diamonds Are Forever'.
	 
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			The 3 films that came afterwards did pretty well. I think the first 'On The Buses' film in 1971 was the most grossing film of the year, even beating 'Diamonds Are Forever'.
			
		
	 
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			Fawlty Towers seems fresh? It's a great comedy, but it's so stuck in the 70s I couldn't confuse it with modern day life.
			
		
	 
 Its miles ahead of most seventies , eighties and even nineties comedy 
Porridge is also class 
But stick on one foot in the grave or only fools and horses and you can hear the canned laughter 
Duty Free , keeping up appearances , so much dreadful crap around in those days
	 
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SLUDGE FACTORY
				
			 
			Its miles ahead of most seventies , eighties and even nineties comedy 
Porridge is also class 
But stick on one foot in the grave or only fools and horses and you can hear the canned laughter 
Duty Free , keeping up appearances , so much dreadful crap around in those days
			
		
	 
 Treat ‘em mean, keep ‘em keen, Only Fools and Horses went on far too long, it became a yawn.
	 
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SLUDGE FACTORY
				
			 
			Its miles ahead of most seventies , eighties and even nineties comedy 
Porridge is also class 
But stick on one foot in the grave or only fools and horses and you can hear the canned laughter 
Duty Free , keeping up appearances , so much dreadful crap around in those days
			
		
	 
 I agree it's miles ahead of so much comedy, especially current stuff, but it's hardly fresh!
	 
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			No doubt Eric, it was massive at the time, but watching it the other morning.....Dear God:facepalm:
			
		
	 
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		Used to love Only Fools and Minder. Both went on too long and are now so dated, I’ll probably never watch an episode again. 
I find Fawlty Towers, Porridge, Rising Damp and The Two Ronnies still funny. Ronnie Barker was a comedy genius.
Another dated one  is Are you being served?, though Mrs Slocombes going on about her pussy still make me laugh.
	 
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		We watched the first series of Yes Minister and Reggie Perrin a few weeks back. Yes Minister has completely stood the test of time - but sadly Reggie hadn't. I wish we hadn't watched it at all - just kept the memories of first time around when it was brilliant.
Fawlty Towers is a bit different as we must have watched all (12?) episodes at least half a dozen times each. Familiarity doesn't breed contempt, but it does take the edge off. Saw a couple of episodes over the weekend and could almost anticipate every line. Genius, but probably need to give them a rest for a decade or so before watching again.
	 
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Eric the Half a Bee
				
			 
			The 3 films that came afterwards did pretty well. I think the first 'On The Buses' film in 1971 was the most grossing film of the year, even beating 'Diamonds Are Forever'.
			
		
	 
 Was that the one where Stan and Blakey take a bus into Longleat, safari park?
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			We watched the first series of Yes Minister and Reggie Perrin a few weeks back. Yes Minister has completely stood the test of time - but sadly Reggie hadn't. I wish we hadn't watched it at all - just kept the memories of first time around when it was brilliant.
Fawlty Towers is a bit different as we must have watched all (12?) episodes at least half a dozen times each. Familiarity doesn't breed contempt, but it does take the edge off. Saw a couple of episodes over the weekend and could almost anticipate every line. Genius, but probably need to give them a rest for a decade or so before watching again.
			
		
	 
 Fawlty Towers differs from the others with it not just focussing on what’s happening at the forefront of scenes, there’s very often things going on in the background that you only notice on watching a second, third or even fourth time, the major dithering over something or other, Manuel confusingly going about his day, the two old ladies acting inquisitively etc while Basil, Sybil, Polly etc are acting out the main part. Genius really.
	 
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			We watched the first series of Yes Minister and Reggie Perrin a few weeks back. Yes Minister has completely stood the test of time - but sadly Reggie hadn't. I wish we hadn't watched it at all - just kept the memories of first time around when it was brilliant.
Fawlty Towers is a bit different as we must have watched all (12?) episodes at least half a dozen times each. Familiarity doesn't breed contempt, but it does take the edge off. Saw a couple of episodes over the weekend and could almost anticipate every line. Genius, but probably need to give them a rest for a decade or so before watching again.
			
		
	 
 Show me an episode of Fawlty Towers and I can recite every line before it's been said - I don't claim any great credit for this because I think there are plenty more who can as well. I can remember watching Fawlty Towers episodes for the first time with the rest of my family and they'd all go the same way, a few gentle laughs in the first five minutes or so, but from about the fifteen minute mark onwards, uncontrollable laughter. Fawlty Towers is the only comedy show I've ever seen that physically hurt me because I was laughing so much. Yes, it's not lasted well in some respects, but I can still watch and enjoy an episode on something like Netflix if there's nothing else worth watching on.
Same with Yes (Prime) Minister - not as laugh out loud funny, but the original series at least was so sharp and well written and, as you say, seems as relevant now as it was back in the 80s.
A word about On the Buses, I agree with the it's so bad it's good line - as for the films, I watched one fairly recently in wonderment as it ticked the boxes of all of the 70s cliches that you read about these days, I'm genuinely amazed by Eric's comment about one of the films being the biggest grossing British production in 1971 (I was only fifteen then and I knew it was crap!).
	 
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		I had "belly-laughs" when I watched the first couple of seasons of Allo, Allo when it first came out, saw a coiuple of episodes recently and they are soo predictable, hardly raised a smile. Another series that went on too long though, the later series left me cold, even when first aired.
	 
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			Was that the one where Stan and Blakey take a bus into Longleat, safari park?
That always makes me laugh!
			
		
	 
 That was the end part of Mutiny On The Buses. My dad was a bus driver, so ended up knowing the 3 films almost off by heart by the time I was 10!
	 
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Eric the Half a Bee
				
			 
			That was the end part of Mutiny On The Buses. My dad was a bus driver, so ended up knowing the 3 films almost off by heart by the time I was 10!
			
		
	 
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		This is a topic I've always been interested in - why does comedy become dated, and why do some things date more than others?
As a kid i'd hear adults saying how funny Tommy Cooper was, but I have never found him even remotely funny, yet I found Harry Hill hilarious and Harry Hill's act seems to awe a fair bit to Tommy Cooper.
Nothing will ever be as funny to me as the first time I watched Monty Python's the Holy Grail - I was just the right age for it and me and my brothers were in absolute hysterics, as soon as it finished we rewound the video and watched it again, every bit as funny. At the time it was probably about 20 years old but seemed really fresh and new.
Similar story with Airplane.
I remember enjoying the sitcom "Game on" when I was in my teens - I went back and watched an episode a couple of years ago and it was completely awful, not funny at all and in fact a slightly depressing experience.
	 
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			Did you live in Luxton?:hehe:
			
		
	 
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			This is a topic I've always been interested in - why does comedy become dated, and why do some things date more than others?
As a kid i'd hear adults saying how funny Tommy Cooper was, but I have never found him even remotely funny, yet I found Harry Hill hilarious and Harry Hill's act seems to awe a fair bit to Tommy Cooper.
Nothing will ever be as funny to me as the first time I watched Monty Python's the Holy Grail - I was just the right age for it and me and my brothers were in absolute hysterics, as soon as it finished we rewound the video and watched it again, every bit as funny. At the time it was probably about 20 years old but seemed really fresh and new.
Similar story with Airplane.
I remember enjoying the sitcom "Game on" when I was in my teens - I went back and watched an episode a couple of years ago and it was completely awful, not funny at all and in fact a slightly depressing experience.
			
		
	 
 Music also becomes dated, but then can also come back into fashion - and I don't think that could happen with comedy that is dated.
I can remember when anything with a real 80s feel musically or fashion wise was the worst thing imaginable, but that all comes back around and feels really fresh again. 
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			I had "belly-laughs" when I watched the first couple of seasons of Allo, Allo when it first came out, saw a coiuple of episodes recently and they are soo predictable, hardly raised a smile. Another series that went on too long though, the later series left me cold, even when first aired.
			
		
	 
 Allo Allo was rubbish but the leader of the French resistance was soon sexy
	 
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Rjk
				
			 
			This is a topic I've always been interested in - why does comedy become dated, and why do some things date more than others?
As a kid i'd hear adults saying how funny Tommy Cooper was, but I have never found him even remotely funny, yet I found Harry Hill hilarious and Harry Hill's act seems to awe a fair bit to Tommy Cooper.
Nothing will ever be as funny to me as the first time I watched Monty Python's the Holy Grail - I was just the right age for it and me and my brothers were in absolute hysterics, as soon as it finished we rewound the video and watched it again, every bit as funny. At the time it was probably about 20 years old but seemed really fresh and new.
Similar story with Airplane.
I remember enjoying the sitcom "Game on" when I was in my teens - I went back and watched an episode a couple of years ago and it was completely awful, not funny at all and in fact a slightly depressing experience.
			
		
	 
 My Dad especially only had to see Tommy Cooper walk on to a stage and he’d be laughing. I wasn’t as bad as him, but I could see why he reacted like he did - Tommy Cooper was genuinely funny man. I’m definitely in the camp which thinks that he had to be a good magician to look as bad as he did (like Les Dawson’s piano playing really). Tommy Cooper’s jokes would have me laughing despite me also thinking that’s one of the most feeble things I’ve heard - it’d be interesting to see the reaction of a young audience to his act, I really don’t know what they would make of it.
	 
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			Allo Allo was rubbish but the leader of the French resistance was soon sexy
			
		
	 
 ..Mrs Richardson..is this a piece of your brain..
	 
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			..Mrs Richardson..is this a piece of your brain..
			
		
	 
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		I’m a doctor and I want my sausages and that scene where Basil has a kipper sticking out the top of his jumper.
	 
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			It felt like it! :hehe:
			
		
	 
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			How’s Olive? Still as stunning as ever?:yikes:
			
		
	 
 Sludge would.
I used to know an old musician who reckoned she was one of the most talentless people he'd worked with.
	 
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		I still laugh everytime I see the scene where Basil realises that the dead guy wasnt killed by eating the kipper and starts jumping up and down shouting hooray as the doctor walks in.
	 
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SLUDGE FACTORY
				
			 
			a lot of comedy dates 
Only fools and horses , one foot in the sodding grave etc 
But Fawlty Towers , Porridge etc are so well written they still seem fresh 
Fawlty Titties
			
		
	 
 This is still one of the funniest scenes I have seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7Rh...=SeanDelahunty.
This isn't far behind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5u...channel=Nemspy
I've seen a couple of episodes of One foot in the grave in recent years and still find much of it just as funny
	 
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 Superbly written sitcom. All the little, seemingly unlinked threads are there at the start of each episode and it all pulls together like a tapestry. It's not difficult to spot that David Renwick also wrote Jonathan Creek.
I'll raise you this attempt to escape from Ronnie and Mildred.... https://youtu.be/Daw9v3wIhNY?t=524
	 
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Eric the Half a Bee
				
			 
			Superbly written sitcom. All the little, seemingly unlinked threads are there at the start of each episode and it all pulls together like a tapestry. It's not difficult to spot that David Renwick also wrote Jonathan Creek.
I'll raise you this attempt to escape from Ronnie and Mildred.... 
https://youtu.be/Daw9v3wIhNY?t=524 
			
		
	 
 Ah good old Ronnie and Mildred.
Yes you are right. Renwick is a clever writer. Haven't seen all the Jonathan Creeks but some of them are excellent. Must try and see some more sometime.
Richard Wilson gives me the excuse to segue to another of my favourite old series......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAuD...annel=HatTrick
	 
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		now come on, you're being silly.
https://youtu.be/NGXDQsfFuNM
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		Someone who doesn’t date is Groucho, obviously brilliant in The Marx Bros films but the ‘50s show ‘You Bet Your Life’ (catch it on YouTube) is superb television. The man was a genius in any era.
	 
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			My Dad especially only had to see Tommy Cooper walk on to a stage and he’d be laughing. I wasn’t as bad as him, but I could see why he reacted like he did - Tommy Cooper was genuinely funny man. I’m definitely in the camp which thinks that he had to be a good magician to look as bad as he did (like Les Dawson’s piano playing really). Tommy Cooper’s jokes would have me laughing despite me also thinking that’s one of the most feeble things I’ve heard - it’d be interesting to see the reaction of a young audience to his act, I really don’t know what they would make of it.
			
		
	 
 Tommy Cooper was a good magician. He was a member of the Magic Circle
	 
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			Tommy Cooper was a good magician. He was a member of the Magic Circle
			
		
	 
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		Watched some old clips of Dave Allen recently, still found them very funny indeed.
like this one
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			..so is Debbie McGee
			
		
	 
 Yes she is also a trained magician. First female member of the Circle in 1991
	 
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			Yes she is also a trained magician. First female member of the Circle in 1991
			
		
	 
 Wikipedia says it was founded in 1905. That's a long time to refuse to admit women, especially as Prince Charles, who I'm quite sure is not an experienced stage magician, was allowed in in 1975.
	 
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			Yes she is also a trained magician. First female member of the Circle in 1991
			
		
	 
 but which one would sludge hypothetically do ?