I'm still on the fence, but I will admit I am very biased.
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I'm still on the fence, but I will admit I am very biased.
It makes me wonder what our style would be like if he’d stayed, even if we’d gone down to League 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
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Originally Posted by Hilts
Yes
People are allowed to make mistakes and learn from them. Is he a tactical genius though or just have very good players at his disposal
Personally I think he deserves credit if he also deserves the criticism when things go wrong
He’d still struggle here though. What he tried to do would have never worked with less talented players.
This is my main point of contention. It's quite a conundrum. He inherited talent. He easily buys talent. In my mind, he just tells them to go out and play. I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
He’s definitely better than when he was here. Got some top players mind..
He was like a rabbit caught in the headlights down here, nobody to guide him, nobody to stop him spending money on panic buys encouraged by dubious agents no doubt. Basically useless. Up there he’s got the luxury of a huge infrastructure, he can be more or less the figurehead or the face of well oiled machine, a machine that’s making the important decisions. Doubt that he’s got the final ‘chequebook’ say whereas Dalman was, being a Man U fan, in awe of him and gave him so much rope he eventually hung himself.
Man Utd under him can blow hot or cold. Didnt he go something like 12 unbeaten when he started then followed that up with no win in 6?
No help down here, but has Fergie up there.
Having said that he did buy some decent players for us - Morrison and Manga.
A lot of flops - but hard to judge as he didn’t get long enough.
Having said that he arrived at the tail end of the rebrand so the disconnect with the club was at its worse - even Pep wouldn’t have navigated his way through that.
What for he's won fa but spent billions.
You're only as good as your next game.
Which players have his and his coaching department improved?
Which results have been shocking in a good way?
What has he won?
Or is it all about spending £50million plus on each position? (It's not, but is that bigger factor in his recent success than should be if a really good manager?).
Definitely not for his time here.
IIRC he took us from 11th to bottom.
(not 100% about uus being 11th, but we def finished bottom.)
He probably should have been given more time here but I'm not sure it would have helped. He didn't seem to know who's best team for us.
God know , he has so much money ,support and quality at his disposal, won nothing yet ,but he has a cheeky smile.
we definitely were not 11thQuote:
Originally Posted by bobh
I’m sorry but finishing where he finished still takes talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
He was still cutting His teeth with us.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
By far the worst manager we’ve had since I’ve supported the club even alienating pros
He bottled it.
Doesn’t mean he hasn’t improved
Not for me. Has he won anything? He's manager of arguably the biggest club side on earth. Trophies.
After the way they played yesterday, it has to be a big YES.
This :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Easier said than done when being the biggest no longer means being the richest. I'm no Man U fan, but having clubs like Man City and Chelsea to compete with in addition to all the traditional big clubs does complicate matters. Imagine if they'd had been bankrolled since the early 90s. History could be very different. Sir Alex could just be that Scottish bloke that managed Man U for a few years. What was his name again? Managed Aberdeen. I think he ended up at Rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I'm prepared to be shot down by you with this, but aren't United the richest club in the UK, and maybe the world?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
They probably have the biggest operational turnover. But they're not owned by a Russian oligarch or an Emirati prince who somehow the rues of FFP do not apply to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Very true :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Haven’t the Americans cleverly shifted their debt onto the club?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
In June MUFC debt increased to £443.5million.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
This is worth a read https://www.football365.com/news/mai...re-david-moyes
Why would it never have worked? Smaller clubs like us can pass a bleeding ball around mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.
It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.
Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.
This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..
I will give him credit for being one of the worst managers that we have ever had. That takes some doing.
Patronising claptrap. If he had been given time here, we would have been in League One or two now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfmother
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Told you then. Not believing it now is just embarrassing..Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Man Utd should be recruiting the very best talent in world coaching. Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool must be absolutely delighted Ole is at the wheel.
Ole’s experience managing in a nothing league in Norway and his record of hapless incompetence at Cardiff make him more suited to hosting corporate hospitality at Old Trafford than being within a mile of the dugout. Only Ole could have lost the Europa Cup final to Villareal. It’s truly amazing Man Utd hand their expensively assembled squad of superstars to him to manage.
Just because Solskjaer is doing well now does not mean things would have ever worked out here.
Tactically he was incredibly naïve in the Premier League - we seemed to move from one system to the next without any rhyme or reason, usually adopting the formation of whoever beat us last. The signings came thick and fast but never seemed to have any indication of how they would fit into the squad. By the end of the window just before he left, we had at least six centre-forwards in the squad while playing one up front (Jones, Le Fondre, Guerra, Burgstaller, Macheda, Maynard, Velikonja...) but no experienced and capable specialist left-back, just Fabio and Declan John. We got to the end of the window and, having already got Morrison, Connolly, Hudson, Turner, Cala, and Nugent in the squad to cover two positions at centre-half, dropped £5m on Bruno Manga, just because. And gave a contract to Danny Gabbidon just in case. Solskjaer left two matches later, after two abject home defeats to Norwich and Middlesbrough.
His signings here fell into three categories: Man Utd reserves (Macheda, Fabio, a disinterested Zaha), inexplicable and unnecessary (Javi Guerra, Dikgacoi, Adeyemi) and the mildly concerning - Daehli, Eikrem, Berget and Burgstaller were all signed on good deals and ended up being paid off or virtually given away to get them off the books. All four were represented by agent Jim Solbakken, who is also the agent and a close friend of OGS.
Cosy little arrangement, that.
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Originally Posted by Wolfmother
Rubbish! He inherited one of the worst premier league sides ever! What som of you thought was “the future spine of England”, neither Campbell, Mutch or Caulker was ever seen again. You like to judge Ole on Eikrem, Berget and Daehlie. But truth is Berget cost was 100k. Daehelie was 1m, and Eikrem was a hell of a talent for 2,4 million. The shit show at the time had nothing to do with Ole. It was all the club and a handful of shit marching supporters making things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geraint Pillock
Ole was given a budget of 7,5 million to save Cardiff from relegation, that’s a fact. Judging him on seven games with a new team, and loosing half of his shit team after 7 games says more about the idiots who judge him for it. Ben Turner came out an told what went on behind the scenes. I will never understand why fans want to dig themselves into ignorance like this post.
**** off Ollie.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfmother
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Let me guess. You where one of those who thought Russel Slade”steadied a ship 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
I will tell you what is embarrassing - you still going on about it now, 7 years after the event. Plus your refusal to acknowledge that he was tactically inept, brought in players like Eikram and Berget who were useless and couldn't even get in a parks team anywhere else, played people out of position, couldn't motivate a rice pudding etc etc. PS. Bog off back to your own clubs board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfmother
Dont blame Ole of your own shortcomings. Position is a relative term. Le Fondre was a striker, few of you understood he was playing inside forward, much like Rashford is now. But sure, keep on banging about Berget, who cost 100k and never played 😅 Eikrem was a huge talent, and has done incredible well in the europa league since. His stats are well beyond anything Cardiff have played since. But keep digging, and Im sure you are happy being where we are. You where wrong. Horribly wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954