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Whilst IMHO he has been a disaster of a signing, does anyone else feel if any offer comes in for anything they will get rid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Morris
The club hierarchy needs to explain some to us poor punters methinks.
he'll probably tear it up at Preston.
talented player but never worked out for him here.
can't help thinking that the way we play didn't help.
but for the fee and the wages he's rumoured to be on he should have been one of our main men, and he's never managed to be that.
he probably wasn't going to get a game so makes sense for someone else to pay him
no they made it known he was available on loanQuote:
Originally Posted by az city
Very overrated
At least he won't be able to embarrass us in our games v Preston (this season at least).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
This. Reading “there’s a player in there” all over Twitter and think people are forgetting the many opportunities he’s been given by three different managers and failed to take. Looked half arsed a lot of the time too.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Would barely have played this season I don’t think so getting his wages off the wage bill for a year not the worst thing in the world tbh
https://youtu.be/xvHcMv0Gxw0?t=6Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
https://youtu.be/QMm-H9lMGUA?t=10
https://youtu.be/_C4PYdUCVJQ?t=2
I would argue the fact you had to find a third goal from his previous club speaks volumes about his three years at the club :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
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Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird
Was going to upload this one:
https://youtu.be/Q4IeEULH1ak?t=3
Mick McCarthy could not have made it more clear that there is no place for wingers in his Cardiff City team (I believe he actually came out and said it at one of his media meetings last season). As someone who was whingeing about our under achieving wingers around this time last year, I don't believe they're any great loss and that Giles, although not as eye catching in terms of ability to go past people, is both more adaptable and has better delivery than any of those who have moved on (to be fair to Hoilett, much of his loss of effectiveness stemmed from the ageing process).
It's sad, but entirely understandable, to see Murphy leave - he was supposed to be here for four season, was quite effective in the first of them, but never had the full trust of the man who signed him (probably because Warnock expected wingers to be defenders as much as they were attackers) and, in the next two campaigns, he looked and played like someone who'd rather be somewhere else despite being given plenty of chances by Neil Harris in particular.
The odds are that Murphy has played his last game for City, we may possibly manage to get a fee for him in January, but it seems to me that he's going to become the latest, and most expensive, in a series of players who cost us millions and ended up leaving us for nothing with the difference in this case that Murphy was of an age where he had a good resale value if we decided to cash in on him.
Instead, a player who I can remember being tipped as an outsider for an England squad place when he first came here ended up being unable to get into a pretty ordinary Championship team and, let's be honest, he wasn't worth a place in our team over the past couple of years or so was he?
A brilliant player on his day.
Unfortunately he averaged one day a season
And not always on a match day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grangenders
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
A damp squibb and such a let down after the euphoria of that home game against Real Betis.
if Preston have picked up his full wage, and the wage is something like £25k per week (as was stated on that dubious list that was circulating) then that saves us about £1 million come the end of the season.
Be interesting to see how he gets on there.
Can't think of too many more frustrating players, been what 3 years of wondering if today will be the day he really looks the player we hoped for.
Good luck to him, hope he enjoys his football there as he certainly doesn't seem to have here.
Stealing a living, after all these years I’m still not sure what he can do?Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird
Does he need a lift up there ?
Jon Parkin only seems to interview City players he has direct connection to but Josh Murphy is one I'd like to hear from as soon as possible.
High ceiling of talent, nice man off the pitch but has played 99 times for us and I'd estimate that has done well in a small handful (15? 10?) of those games.
He'll likely do well at Preston but I'd like to know his thoughts on why it didn't work out here.
Had more than enough chances.
Do think he’s a good player with a poor poor attitude
He was my son’s favourite player and it now leaves us looking ever more ordinary and workmanlike.
Cornelius or Murphy as our biggest flop?
Other signings have failed badly but the club has not wasted so much money on them.
Very frustrating.
Every club has a Josh or Tomlin its about attitude and commitment, yes you can blame those who sign these players but let's be honest we all get happy clappy at the time or when they show glimpses of brilliance.
Tough one.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Cornelius never looked like a footballer but Murphy had more time
Still think the right manager can get a lot out of Murphy
the £1 million quid or so we might be saving in loaning him out might make the difference in being able to afford to keep Morrison or Ralls next season.
we never played to Cornelius' strengths.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
we saw he was 6 foot 5 so we proceeded to launch the ball at his head from 40 yards away and expected him to hold it up and bully the opposing defence.
he just isn't that sort of player, he likes to run into balls in the channels.
we made similar mistakes with Ken Zohore. just because they're big doesn't mean they're a battering ram.
Also, we are probably getting a loan fee for him from Preston.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Does seem odd in a position we are so short in but I guess the writing was on the wall as he hasn't been used this season. I can only assume MM thinks one of the younger lads has more to otter.
Im not sure about thatQuote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Like that massive loan fee City got from Sheffield United for Gary Madine? You know, the one you imagined.....Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
As for a loan fee for Murphy, don't be so daft.
it's a stretch to imagine they're picking up the full wage, let alone paying us a fee on top.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
even then it's still a sensible decision imo
I very much doubt that Preston are paying anywhere near his full wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Agreed. McCarthy isn't going to give him a game, so any saving is worthwhile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Not just MM not many managers would as he lacks commitment, just another over paid gravy train footballer .Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I'm sure someone would play him if he delivered consistently.
Wish Tomlin had gone as well.
Agree with the move, but I don't think the 3 managers that have given him an opportunity have used him correctly. Why did Warnock spend so much on a player that doesn't track back and play defender and attacker simultaneously.. Its not his fault he was bought by a manager that can't have scouted him to know how he plays... Could have made more of his chances but it all falls back to the type of player he is (and isn't)Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird
my Preston supporting mate reckons probably about half the wage seems about right for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
I agree to an extent. Murphy would no doubt do better in a team on the front foot, set up to utilise wingers regularly and where he can forget about defensive responsibilities but even in games where we did set up like that he would often fail to deliver. I just don’t think he’s very good personally. He might score 10 goals for Preston this season but I’d still think the same. Harris was nowhere near as direct as the other 2 but he still failed to make an impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
For all the benefit of the doubt he gets about the fact 2 of the managers he played under were NW and MM, you can force your way into their team with the right attitude and doing the tough work they want you to do but he never seemed to have it in him to try for me.
I guess the fact he went out on loan so late suggests they were trying to sell him all summer but barely had any offers.
I'm not sure I've seen us set up in the way you say for quite some time?Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBluebird