Welsh language tune? Any ideas what it's called?
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Welsh language tune? Any ideas what it's called?
You on about Yma o hyd?
Yma o hyd?
https://youtu.be/WooUv0QttKs
That's the one cheers. On the play list in the car
Never heard that before. Very passionate and stirring.
Yma o hyd. I love the tune, although it's definitely indicative of the FAW going down the nationalist route somewhat
Great sing along considering the majority won't know the words.
It can be applied to our chances of qualification so quite topical.
Sung at Wrexham a lot.
imagine!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
all the peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Do you think? No different to Fields of Athenry, Flower of Scotland or There were 10 German bombers in the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I like Dafydd Iwans music and I particularly like that song as it goes, but he is undeniably a controversial figure, served time for it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
It is probably comparable to the Fields of Athenry, less so Flower of Scotland which is the Scottish national anthem. Comparing it to 'Ten German Bombers' is damning!
It is a very nationalistic song, closely linked to independence. I'm not totally sure the FAW should go down this route if I'm perfectly honest.
What's so nationalistic to say "we're still here" despite everything that others have thrown at us over the centuries?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Didn't know you were a Welsh speaker, which parts of the lyrics closely link it to independence in your view?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The song dedicated to our greatest ever player includes the line "f*ck the union jack", I don't think the FAW have much of a choice at this point they're just following the crowd. Supporting the national team is inherently a nationalistic thingQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
They've started playing Yma o Hyd at Cardiff games too
Let's not be naïve about it. It's clearly a nationalistic song, like Rule Britannia, Four Green Fields, God Bless the USA; there are many examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
The lyrics don't need to be explicit, but it is both a great folk song, a rousing tune, but also, increasingly a rallying cry for Welsh nationalism / independence. It just is. Songs have meanings and can be interpreted in different ways, we all know that.
Like I said, I like the song, I own a couple of Dafydd Iwan CD's, but I'm surprised the FAW are giving it such prominence tbh, and quite clearly they are going down that 'tub thumping, wrap yourself in the flag' route.
https://nation.cymru/news/yma-o-hyd-...for-no-1-spot/
We learned Yma O HYD with a male voice choir I used to conduct. One cretin in the committee objected strongly to us singing this in public, citing the nationalism argument. I asked him the same question and obviously didn't get an answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Another guy wouldn't sing the last verse due to a reference to Maggie Thatcher!! Sadly the choir was made up quite predominantly of old right wing Tory supporting men who didn't really like the song. Shame. Lots of other choirs sing it.
Edited for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Wow, strong argument you are making there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
If the Ku Klux Klan started singing I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas as their anthem, would you say the song would be one about White Supremacism?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's the Football Association of Wales, of course they're going down the 'tub thumping, wrap yourself in the flag' route, what do you expect them to do, pretend Wales is shit and no one should care?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
And also you didn't answer the question, as a Welsh speaker which lines link it closely to independence?
You've somehow outdone Godwins law with some kind of weird new reference to the KKK - all whilst trying to argue the song in question isn't inherently political.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Amazing!
So tell me, within the actual lyrics, how the song promotes nationalism and independence. It's quite a simple task. A quote will suffice.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
To answer you and Delmbox, the lyrics don't, but the song has become a rallying cry for it, and I provided an article on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I hope you don't listen to the Beatles btw. Your literal interpretation of lyrics will drive you half mad. "He clearly states that he is a Walrus!"
To be honest I'm just glad that you can actually read the lyrics and aren't just on here telling us what the song means when not being able to read the language they're written in, which would be ridiculous even for you and your egoQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Fantastic, so any song that gets used by a group of people for whatever reason automatically acquires the viewpoint of those people. I'll congratulate D:Ream on writing a centre left song as it must be that since Labour used it as an election rallying cry. My next door neighbour is a vegan. She sings The Power Of Love most mornings. Has Jennifer Rush's anthem become one celebrating veganism?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
As opposed to your ego that seems to fly off in fits of rage if anyone dare deviate from it?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I've said I like the song, but Dafydd Iwan isn't without controversy. Simple as that.
The examples you use to illustrate your arguments need some work. I provided a link to an article on nation.cymru. You mentioned your next door neighbour and some weird stuff about the KKK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
https://nation.cymru/news/yma-o-hyd-...for-no-1-spot/
:hehe: :hehe: behave yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Let’s pick this apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Your first gambit was to say “It is a very nationalistic song, closely linked to independence.”
You quickly changed your tune to “the lyrics don't (promote nationalism and independence)". Therefore, according to your own words, the song is not about nationalism or independence. Marvellous. We agree that it is not a song about nationalism or independence.
Let’s then look at the next bit – your claim that, because some Welsh nationalists and independentists sing it as “a rallying cry”, that means the song is about nationalism or independence, despite your previous claim (in the same sentence) that it isn’t.
My response is simple – if a song is used by a group of people, does it become representative of that group and take on a whole new meaning despite the lyrics being to the contrary? Of course it doesn’t, otherwise you’d be forced into agreeing with my examples. The scenario of the KKK singing “White Christmas” is somewhat laughable, but hypothetically suppose they did adopt the song as their anthem? By your own definition of Yma O Hyd being a song about Welsh Nationalism through association with some people who sing it, you’d have to agree that “White Christmas” was a song about White Supremacy if the KKK adopted it, even though the lyrics don’t suggest it at all.
That’s why it’s such a fecking daft suggestion from you.
You don't really think I was comparing the first three songs with 'Ten German bombers'?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I was making a subtle point. Perhaps too subtle?
I've always assumed the patriotism and promotion of Welsh culture was a marketing strategy used by the FAW?
https://amp.theguardian.com/football...de-the-country
Interesting article.
Bloody snowflakes, can't do anything without this woke nonsense these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I love it being played at The CCS before The Bluebirds come out. Really stirring
That's a really interesting article and I'm glad you posted it because I missed it. I'm really impressed with what the FAW are doing after reading that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I remember the first time I heard Yma o hyd down the City but can't remember the game, Ali played it.
Tune-wise he was the master.
you do realise that Flower of Scotland is a relatively new anthem started off as a folk song sung by the Corries released in 1967, it was sung at football and rugby from the 70s on and adopted as the unofficial anthem by Scots.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Before that Scotland the brave or the porridge song was used a lot :hehe: just shows how things evolve
For some reason, Yma O Hyd was played, very loudly, at various times through the summer of 2016 in my house.
https://lyricstranslate.com/en/yma-o...till-here.html
I suppose some people get annoyed by the reference to "Maggie and her crew" :shrug:
Who cares if it is does signify independence (I don't think it does, but it hits the spot for most Welsh people in a way that I'd say "God save the Queen" or "Rule Britannia" doesn't)?
Is there anything more offensive than a welsh song being played at a Wales match?
I’ve tweeted my MP in utter disgust.
Ah so the real reason James is taking offense is clear now. What a drip.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson