Thought this was super.
Brilliant journalism. Very fair, balanced and detailed enough.
Really gets into the nitty gritty of qanon and the evolution of conspiracy theories leading up to and post Jan 6.
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Thought this was super.
Brilliant journalism. Very fair, balanced and detailed enough.
Really gets into the nitty gritty of qanon and the evolution of conspiracy theories leading up to and post Jan 6.
One I’ve been meaning to listen to for months, but never got around to it, you’ve persuaded me to put the first episode on now :thumbup:
Brilliant listen , fascinating stuff.
Thanks for this - will listen too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
You could have followed this in real time in the Donald Trump and associated threads on the Politics Board. Though almost all proponents of the ridiculous Q theories seem to have taken Trappist vows of late.
they'll be backQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
We aren't far behind the Americans on this.. speak to many tories and they are completely unhinged and living in a fantasy world.
True DoucasQuote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Living in Uganda, there is such an eclectic mix of people so you hear all kinds of views and get into some of the strangest concersations.
Most people are amazing.
But 'conservative evangelical missionaries' are the strangest bunch - batshit crazy for Trump - they literally worship him. Also, those British people who identify themselves as 'expats' are also strange. Usually Tory Brexiteers who see no irony in them being migrants here, but hate immigration to the UK. They almost have ZERO Ugandan friends and hang around with each other in a weird toxic little Tory bubble.
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
It's like ten thousand spoons, when all you need is a knife..
"Conservative Evangelical Missionaries?"Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
You mean the president of the country you live in and who won an overwhelming majority in the 2021 Ugandan General Election?
Uganda's Museveni: I love Trump for being frank with Africans
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-42795588
The mental gymnastics you guys get yourselves in to blame anything on the Tories / Trump / Brexit is quite extraordinary. You just lie to yourself, it's so weird.
Life is too short. Just be open minded and let reality flow in and then make a political decision based on that, rather than some pre-obtained theory on how things might have been and then twisting reality to fit that.
So speaks the looney left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
I mean we have an extreme right wing government who has seen the biggest drop in living standards in decades if not longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
What makes the left looney then? Dailymail reader by any chance?
The fact that you think the current UK government is an 'extreme right wing government' is a pretty good giveaway tbfQuote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Never heard of a spork?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Jimbo, it's you who needs to open your eyes to the reality around you. If you really can't acknowledge the rise of rightwing populism and the damage it's doing then I feel for you. But don't go having a pop at everyone else who can.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I'm not having a pop old pal.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
On the contrary if anything, I am saying it's perhaps a bigger issue (in Uganda) than suggested, which was that a few missionaries are pro-Trump, when actually the guy who won the election last year with a landslide has made pro-Trump statements. Perhaps Ugandans like him? And perhaps most of the people that "Are amazing" can both like the president's statements and also be nice people? It's almost as if people and politics aren't black and white.
That said, I think there is a touch of the 'Emmanuel Goldsteins' about the rise of these figures who are often created to strike fear into liberals hearts.
It's true that there is a thread you could use to link Bolsonaro to Trump to Johnson to Orban to Putin if you so wished. But it ignores enormous differences between them all and is frankly fantasy, not least because Johnson is socially liberal and a world away from someone like Bolsonaro in Brazil.
What is more, Trump lost the last election, Bolsonaro is well behind in the polls and Poland and Hungary's leaders, whilst very popular are now receiving a much more co-ordinated opposition.
Further to that, a thread could equally be made linking Biden to Trudeau to Pedro Sanchez to Macron to Olaf Scholz to Jacinda Adern.
The reality is that in a world of 200 odd countries, they are all moving in their own directions, some leftward, some rightward, and generally speaking that is no bad thing.
Perhaps the 1990s and 2000's aside, previous decades were FAR more concerning when great swathes of the world were disappearing into authoritarian misery on both political extremes.
A lot of this is moral panic for middle class liberals to shit their pants over. Whether it's Corbyn stealing your pension or Johnson being a fascist..it's mainly bollocks. The reality of governance see's to that.
In the meantime, websites have stories that need sharing and ad revenues that rely on clicks.
Thanks for the recommendation. Listened to the first couple of episodes and am finding it fascinating.
...So you're saying you met the man of your dreams, but then met his beautiful wife? :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The qanon stuff is mad beyond belief, will have a listen to this. Always find it hard to tell who actually believes it, and who is just going along with it because they want to attract the qanon supporters.
Why a tory bubble and not just an ex pat bubble?Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Interesting that many Ugandans did find Trump appealing, at first. However this is somewhat connected to Uganda being somewhat of a missionary zone for conservative evangelicals coming and spreading their strange and twisted version of their religion. Evangelical conservative Christianity is embraced here and the 'kill the gays' bill was funded by right wing evangelical nut jobs from the US 'the Elijah list' and 'Lou Engle'... Huge republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
My point was this... Stupid conspiracy theories and lack of critical thinking exists within the evangelical rightwing church and sadly gets exported to Uganda.
Uganda has enough problems of our own, without 'TV evangelists' pumping out the prosperity gospel which drives people into more poverty and unhealthy obsessions with right wing conspiracy theories.
Also, if you take the time to listen to the podcast, there is a lot on Bill and Hilary Clinton, Bill in particular gets exposed for some of the awful stuff he did.
However, I understand why conservatives would try to distance themselves from QANON, but sadly it has been embraced by conservatives, mainly in the US but also in the UK.
Anyway. City won. That's far more important tonight.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to insinuate with this. Is there a cabal of far right extremists acting out some coordinated plan? Honestly that isn't the point, 'though there is some evidence of it - see Steve Bannon. The point is surely that all the characters you list have several traits in common. These are, inter alia:Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
- mendacity
- amorality
- opportunism
- self aggrandisement
- malignant narcism
They manifest as rightwing populists taking cues off each other because there is a gullible population out there that laps it up.
Why do you think Johnson suddenly discovered the repetition of rightwing conspiracy theories as a deflection tactic? That's straight out of the Trump playbook.
I acknowledge the rise in populism and put the blame squarely at the door of those that took what was once the left and dragged it way westward.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
The left has left me.
It is now such of a problem that what is currently considered to be the left cannot appeal to centre left voters.
Is westward to the left or right? I'm confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Anyway, it's a cracking podcast. I have a mate who's doing a PhD on conspiracy theories and she thinks it's good too.
Westward way left.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
You must be familiar with Bill Maher?
I align myself with most of his views, I have for a long time.
How The Left was Lost
https://youtu.be/OdJOLMgY4p0
It's coming up to 4pm here and I walk my doggy, Smuggers, every day at 4. So, this thread reminded me of a couple and their doggy, Fred, I sometimes meet and talk to.
They're Republican Trumpers but kind of endearingly daft in what they come out with. One day they told me they didn't like Biden because he is a pedophile (apologies for American spellings). I mockingly laughed but then they told me they had evidence - he apparently sniffs people's hair when close to them and this is a sign of a pedophile. To me that's just guano crazy. Anyone else ever heard this?
P.S. On reflection, Fred would probably be the more rational of three of them if he could talk.
They sound bonkers Mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
I know plenty of people who come out with this shite.
It has to be stressed though that there are as many clowns polar opposite to them.
I think that the horseshoe principle of political opinion is right when it comes down to the most vociferous, regardless of which way their political allegiances lie.
I don't really know anything of leftwing conspiracy theories. There's a large culture around this too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
This thread is interesting as it shows the desperation of people trying to justify the way they feel about right wing populists. You are completely correct about the character of those who have been listed - politics is important to the extent that they are all right of centre, but it’s more to do with the type of person they are - entirely self serving and cynical.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
Just finished listening to the seventh, and last, episode. I found it riveting stuff which had me regularly changing my mind as to whether those believing in the gathering storm were deserving of contempt or pity, but in the end, I found myself agreeing with the conclusion reached by the narrator.
The left wing conspiracies tended to turn out to be the CIAQuote:
Originally Posted by az city
I've seen the creepy videos they refer too, whilst its not evidence (far from it) as a father of 2 daughters i wouldn't be comfortable leaving them alone with Joe :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
nearly right there is a nork :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
Really? I loved sporks the moment I first got one from a Taco Bell 25 years ago. Where do I get me a nork?Quote:
Originally Posted by poc
BobQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
There's a documentary on Netflix or HBO I think which gives more detail on QAnon and concludes it's Ron Watkins who is now running for Congress ... in Arizona District 1. Gulp.
That was the impression given in the Podcast as well - thanks for that about the documentary, I’ll have a look on Netflix and see if I can find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
The narrator mentioned a six-part HBO documentary at the end of episode 4 I’ve just listened to called ‘Q: Into the Storm’.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Mozzers in 1,000,000. 999,999. 999,998...
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Madlock
not sure i came across them in hospitalQuote:
Originally Posted by az city