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Very sad. RIP Tony Yes .Innocent set up by corrupt police.
This documentary is still available.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000zhg7 via @bbciplayer
The excellent BBC Sounds series is also still availableQuote:
Originally Posted by dandywarhol
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/...n=share-mobile
Not only innocent, but then robbed! They were charged bed and breakfast for the time they served in side, out of there compensation.
Really? Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by ianto73
Truly terrible injustice.
RIP
Nothing would surprise me about this caseQuote:
Originally Posted by ianto73
Disgraceful corruption right on our doorstep
And they got away with it
Complete fit up
Didn’t half let himself go though.
I think after years of incarceration, followed by a derisory level of compensation it may well have taken a toll on his mental health.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
I'm sure you think your remark is really satirical and edgy.
Here we go again!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
It was a remark
based on how he looked in the documentary, compared to when he was released from prison. What’’s the matter with folk like you??
Sorry if I upset you. You clearly meant well making a comment about someone's appearance. A person who suffered most of his adult life and has now died.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
I’m not getting into an argument with you fella.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
I knew Ronnie Actie, and i know exactly what they went through. Tony obviously suffered mentally but still had his wits about him.
He didn’t do himself any favours healthwise as in physically as he got older. That’s what i meant.
If you want to harp on about my initial remark, then knock yourself out. I’m off this thread.
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Originally Posted by William Treseder
Terrible injustice, clearly took its toll on the gentleman as it would with most people.
RIP
This can’t be true surelyQuote:
Originally Posted by ianto73
And injustices still go on today. It’s more difficult now for working class people to get justice as there is a limit on legal aid. This means you have to fight the state with all its might with limited funds. This is the reason why we must never bring back the death penalty.
He got into drink , his way of copingQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
So many bad stories from this case
John Actie came across as very sussed out in this case as did yusef abdulahi but they both suffered terribly
Bad news all round
Absolutely. Some rabid people out there supporting the death penalty .Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
We're they not all minor criminals .. I'm sure a few folk suffered from their criminality, no excuse for what the police did though ..
Mother of Baby Pi is out ???Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I have no idea what that means. Can you explain please?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
3.142 or 22/7?Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
Why mention it then?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It was O'brien who was charged about 37,000 pounds for bed and breakfast in the Cardiff news seller murder case Peter Saunders. after he won his appeal against conviction
Baby PQuote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...lease-24692034
How those absolute scumbags of police managed to get off begs belief after framing them so badly. I watched the documentary again the other day, trial held in white town ffs. Think JA talks well, it’s obviously had a big influence on him but he’s a tough cookie, very charismatic too. If Netflix made a film about it, which would be great he’d be an absolute star in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Yep him and abdulahi were very tough streetwise blokes who didn't take any crap from the policeQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
Which is why they went for Stephen Miller who had low education
Utter corrupt gits
Shameful that none have faced the courts
Several are dead now , the rest on fat police pensions
What a crass postQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The cop who was in charge stood outside the court when they were released,Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
said along the lines of it is a sad day when the guilty walk free and there is no justice for the victim.
When asked if they are looking for someone else he said no.
Yes it's utter bollocksQuote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Tony Paris had a minor conviction from shoplifting
We all know why those boys were arrested , it's because they were black and the police had no leads
Lived and worked down the bay for a period and always looked up and thought about this case when I passed the place on James st. Shocking all round. There was a good podcast on the BBC about it not too long ago.
I hate to burst your bubble Sludgey but the Actie's were quite big drug dealers back in the day (allegedly). I take it as a Bridgend (?) boy you never had any dealings with them? I knew Ron Actie when I was a teenager. Him and his cousin John were a pair of aggressive bullying thugs. Nothing like today's drug dealers of course, but they had a very scary crew to back them up. Woe betides anyone who sold ganga in Cardiff without their "permission". The police were after them and saw this murder of way of putting them away and taking them off the streets. All totally wrong the way the Old Bill went around things, of course. Very, very wrong. Sometimes however, if you play with fire you get burnt....very, very badly in this case. Oh, and the police did have leads, but chose to ignore themQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
They had nothing to do with this murder they were nicked by corrupt coppersQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
If someone steals cars you don't charge him with gbh
Yusef Abdulahi had 13 alibis that testified he was working the night of the murder. Now, you might be able to persuade one, possibly two people, to act as alibis who perhaps weren't genuine alibis - but thirteen???Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Someone in this thread said that John Actie was "charismatic" - he wasn't. For the most part of his early adult life he was a bully. No doubt he's mellowed now, age tends to do that to a person.
When he rightly gets emotional in podcast interviews, I think some of that emotion stems from knowing he took the wrong life choices.
The trajectory he was already on was only going to cause heartache to those close to him and unhappiness for himself. He was a victim of a huge miscarriage of justice. However, throughout his criminal life he left a trail of victims too.
If we are to have a just society someone who goes shoplifting gets caught , charged and convicted with shopliftingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Not murder
I don't know why you are replying to my post in the manner you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Shoplifting, where did I mention shoplifting?
Sure he and plenty of other docks boys were no angels, quite a few of them used to turn up to city matches back in the day. The police saw John as a gangster and wanted to take him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Oh, I've no doubt they wanted him out, he even told his solicitor right from the start that the police's intention was to frame him.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
He fleetingly mentioned in the James English podcast that as a young boy his father used to take him to play rugby.
He was actually quite modest in not dwelling on playing rugby.
I first met John Actie when I was 11 and he was a year younger. We played together in the same Cardiff schools rugby team (David Bishop was captain).
Bearing in mind he was a year younger than all of us (it makes a difference at that age) he was the biggest player in the team. He was fantastic at rugby, a toss up between him and Bishop as to who was the most influential player in the team.
He was quiet off the field and never got into any fights on the pitch either. He was just unplayable at that age.
Sadly for him, the following season his father died.
As he said, his father's death was where he pinpointed it all began to go wrong for him.
I mentioned itQuote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
You have said in your post that actie and abdulahi were no angels . There's no doubt about that .
But even if someone is an armed robber then he should serve time for that or at the lesser end , burglary or even lesser , shoplifting
The problem with your post in my opinion is you are suggesting they were going to get done for something as they were on the wrong side of the law 🤔
Well that may be the case but it's not justice , if they were guilty of murder ....which they were not ......give em life
Could you please highlight where I said Yusef Abdulahi was no angel? On the contrary, I was implying he had sufficient alibis not to have been charged in the first place. And no, I didn't suggest that they were going to get done for something (the murder?) because they were on the wrong side of the law....." He was a victim of a huge miscarriage of justice." is what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The fact that he was a bully is irrefutable. Perhaps as a Bridgend lad, you would have been unaware of this. He used to have a flat a stone's throw from the Carpenter's Arms in Rumney. I lived a 5-minute walk away from him, I'd seen first-hand accounts of his actions.
Wasn't John Actie related to a former Cardiff City player who ended up in prison?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Leonne Jean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec