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Sorting out my Internet , he was based in Leeds but from Brighouse near Huddersfield
Says he is certain they will stay up and warnock has made them difficult to beat
Says its route one but said if it's that or league one it's a no brainer
It's clear that tan was never going to give warnock the gig but those who think he wouldn't have got us the points needed are churlish and in complete denial
Let's be clear here. Route one football with the players we've got won't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Our success under Lamouchi is when we've played at a higher tempo, pressed or got the ball forward quickly, but often to feet and accurately. Whenever we've adopted a long ball, thump it upfield anywhere tactic under Lamouchi we've lost and looked atrocious.
Short term, I'm convinced he would have easily kept us up, Lamouchi is a much better long-term Manager though, he just arrived at a time when the players were struggling and the squad is too weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I think we have enough to pick up four to six points over the next five games, but they will have to cut out the mistakes or we really could be in trouble, Alsopp worries me, he's a liability.
I agree about the second point and that Lamouchi was the best long-term appointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Warnock would have kept us up comfortably, it wouldn't have been the same as Lamouchi's direct approach, and we would have probably had a few different signings.
Huddersfield were a mess and had horrendous fixtures, but he'll probably keep them up with games to spare.
That would be fair enough if Lamouchi was a long term appointment. But hes not. He was given a job to keep us up and a contract to the end of season.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
He is advising though about player contracts as we wants Bagan to be given a long term deal.
I think the ambition was to keep him long term, it was a kind of a trial, we've had our fingers burnt offering long term deals to Managers getting a quick upturn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I hope we do, I think he's inherited five years of problems, it was a difficult job, we need to support a good Manager rather than change them for worse every five minutes.
Absolute rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I think this team lacks the nous and bottle for a relegation fight and we are going downQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I hope not but we have failed to show we have what it takes recently
I find it incredible we haven't managed to put a decent unbeaten run together
Warnock would have kept us up the evidence is overwhelming
What different signings? We're under an embargo.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
You obviously don't watch us play or you're utterly clueles about tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You can come on here if we get relegated and defend the principles of the anti route one gangQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Whilst Huddersfield under warnock party ready for next season
You accuse others of stubbornness but you are a complete sponge
Stick to darts
Its a pity he sorted your internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Shut it GladysQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
:hehe: :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
What a lovely, sweet story
It will be if we go downQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
But I suppose you have always got merthyr or whoever it is you are supporting this week
Valley boys we are hereQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I can't remember the timings, did Lamouchi sign Kaba and Wickham?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
If not Warnock would have probably liked them anyway and utilised them more directly, along with the big defenders.
You're deliberately avoiding what I posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Please provide an answer to this: Do you know the difference between launching a ball upfield aimlessly to no-one in particular and a long pass up field to a teammate?
Thanks
I think so. Wickham was out of contract I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Apart from McGuinness, we haven't really got a lot of height at the back, not that height is necessarily the main attribute to ability in the air. For what is a relatively short defence, we spent much of the season with one of the best defensive records in the division, so a lack of height couldn't have been too much of an issue.
Huddersfield had a significant amount of possession against playoff chasing Sunderland last night for a long ball team
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65236144
More than we managed at home against them!Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
39%?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
Wickham was training with us under Hudson, wasn’t he?
We’ll never know if Warnock would have kept us up, as whatever he’s doing with Huddersfield proves nothing. It’s a different club with different players and I don’t expect that their owner wears his trousers up to his armpits, either.
yeah I don't think Lamouchi had much influence over the signings probably, he only joined us on January 27th, I'm pretty sure wheels were in motion before thatQuote:
Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw
The Huddersfield owner almost put them into administration and a points deduction until a last minute dealQuote:
Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw
Absolutely right. That's been the point I've been trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw
Hey Sludge and Eric, you're 2 of the good guys on here and I hate seeing you 2 squabble.
Both of you have made good points. I was advocating Warnock before Lamouchi. Even though I do not like him on a personal basis i felt his track record was so good that his appointment would be a no brainer.
Warnock would have got us playing in the opposition half and cutting out silly defensive mistakes. How he does it, I do not know. Must be his strength of personality.
On the other hand we would not have wanted Warnock long term and perhaps Lamouchi will be a good bet going forward.
What I am certain of though, is that relegation will be a disaster and to be avoided at all costs.
If we avoid relegation then going with Lamouchi was the correct call. He is a more progressive manager and not only do we not have the players for Warnockball, it would be a step backwards in terms of style of play.
If we do get relegated then there will be lots of 'what if's! I think the injury to Collins was the big one. Not only was he one of our best players, but it meant we nullified one of best wingers by sticking O'Dowda at leftback. Due to the timing of the injury we also had to endure Nkonku for 6 months because of the lack of anyone better.
One of the best defensive records in the division? How do you work that out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Great thread. Bloke who was never going to be appointed as City manager might have kept the team up had he been appointed seems to be the gist of it. The same could be said for literally anyone, except perhaps Mick McCarthy.
The simple fact is that Neil Warnock had the same chance of being reappointed as City manager as Malky Mackay - absolute zero. You'd have imagined that those who long for his tedious brand of hoofball would have appreciated that by now, but apparently not.
"I spoke to a Huddersfield fan who said Warnock has made them hard to beat..."
Brilliant.
One of the best is a bit of a stretch, but we've never been amongst the worst defences, if we hadn't have been so toothless we could have had a decent season. Even now we concede relatively few shots per game (only Burnley, Sheff Utd, Middlesborough, Swansea and Stoke face fewer shots) and only a handful of clubs allow less xG against than us (Burnley, WBA, Sheff Utd, Middlesborough, Luton and Millwall). Of course that doesn't take into account game state. At the other end of the pitch only Rotherham, Huddersfield and er Blackburn have generted less Xg - we actually make an above average number of shots, but we need far more shots before we score compared to anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
When we drew 0-0 with Coventry in December, 8 sides had marginally better defensive records than us. 4 sides in the top half had conceded more. Before we lost 3-1 to Boro only 5 sides had conceded fewer than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Maybe I should have reworded it as us having one of the better defensive records in the division, rather than one of the best.
Since, and including that Boro game, only 6 sides have conceded more than us.
No squabbles at all between us. I'm just trying to work out what he's on about. He's long advocated that long ball football will get us out of trouble and I'm trying to, and failing, to get him to see that there are ways of being direct without just whacking the ball long and hoping. One day he'll get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
Sadly I agree. I don’t think there is anyone at the club, including the manager, who can inject the will and urgency required to get out of this hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
don't hold your breathQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Strange as he refuses to pick himQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I hope we win tonight and somehow get over that line but it's like a ghost ship at ccfcQuote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blue
The most effective style of play we have had in most fans recent memory was under warnockQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I don't recall too much complaining about the ball being in the air when we got out of relegation trouble and then got promoted
Percentage football gets results and we should never have tried to go full circle
You can pine and whine like an abandoned old dog for pretty football but needs must and boy do we need some fight in the next 5 games
It wasn’t all long ball with Warnock, we played some lovely stuff early in the season whipping Leeds and Villa. Were we 3 nil up v Villa by half time ? Look at them now 5 years on……Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY