Straight from the horse's mouth - "Brexit has failed".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2339654.html

One positive. I was in Spain 2 weeks ago and for the first time ever after I got through passport control my case was there waiting for me on a non moving belt.

Nothing to do with the extra time it took to get through passport control of course.

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Prior to the vote, none of Brexit's main political protagonists were either willing or able to clearly articulate the version of Brexit they favoured.

No surprise then when opportunist demagogues like Farage now argue that Brexit could still be great but unfortunately it was and is in the hands of incompetents who are failing to deliver the sunny uplands in their true vision.

So along the way you get Lord Frost, the guy who negotiated the "oven ready" deal resigning because of the deal he negotiated, Rees-Mogg wailing from the belfry that his batshit crazy idea to abolish 4000 pieces of legislation by year end regardless of the impact hit the rocks on first contact with reality and Kwarteng's Brexit enabled deregulatory trickle down budget spooking the markets and costing the UK billions in the process. The rump of the ERG sit on the touchline taking potshots at any sane attempts like the Northern Ireland protocol to temper the damage this poor deal has introduced.

What's that old adage, in the end all revolutions devour their own children?

The best one for the disaster is its the remainers fault.🤣

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One positive. I was in Spain 2 weeks ago and for the first time ever after I got through passport control my case was there waiting for me on a non moving belt.

Nothing to do with the extra time it took to get through passport control of course.

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My wife travels on an Irish passport and still takes pleasure in trying to find a spot where she can wave at me standing in the non-EU queue after she's sailed through.

An extra 10 minute wait (sometimes more) isn't the end of the world, but just one small manifestation of the pointlessness and stupidity of the whole project.

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I didnt know Farage was in charge of making Brexit happen ?, he wanted out of the EU. He didnt or never had the power of being able to set the direction or policies of post Brexit Britain.

For that you can blame any number of politicians and bureaucrats. Theresa May tried to make it not happen, Frost didnt do a great job either. Barnier negotiated for his side and tried to obfuscate, the Irish PM threatened all sorts re the Irish border issue.

There seemed to be a collective will to make it not happen. All Farage did was argue to leave - he didnt have a political mandate to run the UK Govt etc he isnt an MP. So not really sure of your point.

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The best one for the disaster is its the remainers fault.🤣

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The JamesWales classic

Farage and his followers are total planks. Its not working so its the politicians fault. Everyone bar the staunch brexiteers.🤣🤣🤣

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Farage and his followers are total planks. Its not working so its the politicians fault. Everyone bar the staunch brexiteers.🤣🤣🤣

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Whose job was it to make it work ? , Starmer was Shadow Brexit Minister (he had no plan either).
It was the UK Govt's job to 'make it happen' and up until it seems they havent made a good fist of it. Maybe Labour could have done better or the Lib Dems (whose policy was to campaign to go back in). Labour policy was to put it to a second vote and campaign to re join.

So there you have it - above were the options post Brexit. Go back in - is like going back to your ex wife and seeing how well it'll work out a second time.....

The bed was made - UK Gov choose not to make it even though they had to sleep in it - to coin a phrase

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Whose job was it to make it work ? , Starmer was Shadow Brexit Minister (he had no plan either).
It was the UK Govt's job to 'make it happen' and up until it seems they havent made a good fist of it. Maybe Labour could have done better or the Lib Dems (whose policy was to campaign to go back in). Labour policy was to put it to a second vote and campaign to re join.

So there you have it - above were the options post Brexit. Go back in - is like going back to your ex wife and seeing how well it'll work out a second time.....

The bed was made - UK Gov choose not to make it even though they had to sleep in it - to coin a phrase

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I think going back in is more like going back to your ex wife because you realise she's the best out there.

You've tested the water, died your hair, got contact lenses, lost about 3 stone, bought a whole new wardrobe of clothes way too young for you and maxed out your credit card, shagged everything that moves, embarrassed yourself because you can't get it up any more and come to the conclusion there's only slags and money grabbers out there after all.

Midlife crisis can be a bummer. Let's hope the old gal is forgiving of your lapse of judgement.

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I didnt know Farage was in charge of making Brexit happen ?, he wanted out of the EU. He didnt or never had the power of being able to set the direction or policies of post Brexit Britain.

For that you can blame any number of politicians and bureaucrats. Theresa May tried to make it not happen, Frost didnt do a great job either. Barnier negotiated for his side and tried to obfuscate, the Irish PM threatened all sorts re the Irish border issue.

There seemed to be a collective will to make it not happen. All Farage did was argue to leave - he didnt have a political mandate to run the UK Govt etc he isnt an MP. So not really sure of your point.

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No, I’ll blame Farage thanks.

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I think going back in is more like going back to your ex wife because you realise she's the best out there.

You've tested the water, died your hair, got contact lenses, lost about 3 stone, bought a whole new wardrobe of clothes way too young for you and maxed out your credit card, shagged everything that moves, embarrassed yourself because you can't get it up any more and come to the conclusion there's only slags and money grabbers out there after all.

Midlife crisis can be a bummer. Let's hope the old gal is forgiving of your lapse of judgement.

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I like the analogy, however in reality going back to the old bird - just gives her more leverage over you. So if it were me - I'd wish the old gal all the best, lets stay in touch and on a friendly basis, maybe even share a social glass of wine. But after that - I'd rather either be on my own.

Of course if being pu ssy whipped is your thing and having the old nag like a stone around your neck then crack on and crawl back up the garden path begging for forgiveness - which the old bint is never going to give you :(

Things that people want can fail, and things the people don't want can be successfully implemented. Welcome to the technocratic future.

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Things that people want can fail, and things the people don't want can be successfully implemented. Welcome to the technocratic future.

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I'm sure there's an important message here from some sort of higher level of intelligence.

Concentrate, people!

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I'm sure there's an important message here from some sort of higher level of intelligence.

Concentrate, people!

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You can start with the unelected PM who is following an entirely different agenda to what was in the manifesto way back when. Boris did his bit before jumping ship, and we will soon have a handover to Starmer. Unfortunately, people like you will be none the wiser. You talk a good game, but your tactical knowledge is terrible :biggrin:

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You can start with the unelected PM who is following an entirely different agenda to what was in the manifesto way back when. Boris did his bit before jumping ship, and we will soon have the handover to Starmer. Unfortunately, people like you will be none the wiser. You talk a good game, but your tactical knowledge is terrible :biggrin:

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'People like me'. You haven't the first idea.

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'People like me'. You haven't the first idea.

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In that case, you must be acutely aware of where we are heading. Good on you :thumbup:

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I like the analogy, however in reality going back to the old bird - just gives her more leverage over you. So if it were me - I'd wish the old gal all the best, lets stay in touch and on a friendly basis, maybe even share a social glass of wine. But after that - I'd rather either be on my own.

Of course if being pu ssy whipped is your thing and having the old nag like a stone around your neck then crack on and crawl back up the garden path begging for forgiveness - which the old bint is never going to give you :(

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Forgetting the ex wife for a moment I'd be over the moon if we crawled back to the EU with our tails between our legs and they heaped even more leverage upon us. To my mind we got away with far too much. Those bloody vetoes we were given were endangering the project.

In the industry I work in, I think it would be fair to say that Brexit has failed, in trying to complete something today, Brexit has caused a complication with a smallish financial impact, and with probably a 2 week delay, on a project that is currently approx. 18 months late,
the extra two weeks isn't a biggie!! (18 months sounds a lot and it is, but factor in C19 and steel supply problems due to the conflict in UKRAINE!!
I would also add that being in the EU for the period that we were, in the same industry, I would also judge it as a part failure in that much harmonisation of standards didn't happen and it should have IMO. Now having had some time to reflect on the leave, I've not seen any positives and the negatives have been minor, a big exporter I would guess will have had a difficult time.

What a turd of a man.

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In the industry I work in, I think it would be fair to say that Brexit has failed, in trying to complete something today, Brexit has caused a complication with a smallish financial impact, and with probably a 2 week delay, on a project that is currently approx. 18 months late,
the extra two weeks isn't a biggie!! (18 months sounds a lot and it is, but factor in C19 and steel supply problems due to the conflict in UKRAINE!!
I would also add that being in the EU for the period that we were, in the same industry, I would also judge it as a part failure in that much harmonisation of standards didn't happen and it should have IMO. Now having had some time to reflect on the leave, I've not seen any positives and the negatives have been minor, a big exporter I would guess will have had a difficult time.

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The 'project' was all about expansion (cheap labour and access to new markets) and the redistribution of wealth.
Ive been working in IT for a logistics company on a contract - Ive seen first hand the mess EU regs have caused the UK, as far as software goes it's been stupidly crazy. But if you were integrated and then all of a sudden you arent - there are going to be teething problems. (although the free ports idea is great).

We went in on a lie and we came out on sort of one. 30 odd years of gradual integration is not going to undo itself over night. We'll be ok though.

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The 'project' was all about expansion (cheap labour and access to new markets) and the redistribution of wealth.
Ive been working in IT for a logistics company on a contract - Ive seen first hand the mess EU regs have caused the UK, as far as software goes it's been stupidly crazy. But if you were integrated and then all of a sudden you arent - there are going to be teething problems. (although the free ports idea is great).

We went in on a lie and we came out on sort of one. 30 odd years of gradual integration is not going to undo itself over night. We'll be ok though.

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Sounds like you have found one of those Brexit dividends.

What specifically can you point to from your first hand experience in software development and management in EU Regulations that has caused such a stupidly crazy mess for the UK?

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Sounds like you have found one of those Brexit dividends.

What specifically can you point to from your first hand experience in software development and management in EU Regulations that has caused such a stupidly crazy mess for the UK?

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"Ive been working in IT for a logistics company on a contract - Ive seen first hand the mess EU regs have caused the UK,"


We have had to re write massive amounts code on the internal logistics system to reflect the changes that required us to get trucks through customs as quickly as before. When I say 'us' I mean the company I was contracted by to help expand their infrastructure. The devs at one stage, about 18 months ago would be writing code fixes over night.

It's settled down a bit now , hence the company are doing moving a new more de coupled architecture, aws basically. Rather than the monolithic stack that was in place.

I saw this interview, as I watch Newsnight most night unless I'm out boozing with Dorcus, going to gigs with Sludge or walking the Quantocks at dark with TBG.

Farage wasn't saying Brexit has failed. He was saying the Tories implementation of it has. And that's viewed from his perspective that a hard Brexit is a good idea, that the shock of that was worth it in the long term and that we should be making more use of Brexit freedoms etc rather than pragmatic alignments with the EU.

I think he's wrong on that, and most people would, but the desire of the headline proved to strong I guess!

Not withstanding the fact that Brexit is never 'finished' so it can't fail or succeed any more than we can say Wales has failed or Cardiff City have failed.

Again; our GDP growth outperformed our European peers in 2002. Our unemployment rate is lower. Our main stock market outperformed the major European ones. Our wage growth is higher, and inflation rate peaked at about the same level.

Whenever anyone points to 'the disaster" they tend to use predictions, guesswork, memes and short take outs from interviews.

Is Britain thriving? No Is anywhere thriving? No.

I said at the start of this year that 2023 is the year when we will finally have some data that is post brexit that isn't totally distorted by Ukraine and COVID.

I will eat my hat if our full year GDP growth this year is much different from Germany, France etc. Our unemployment will almost certainly be lower and our wage growth will be better.

That's my prediction!

There are so many metrics that matter alongside GDP but so far in terms of 2023 Q1 GDP growth it's as follows. Full list in the link below.

Spain 0.5%
Italy 0.5%
Belgium 0.4%
France 0.2%
Euro area 0.1%
UK 0.1%
Germany 0%
Austria -0.3%
Netherlands -0.7%
Ireland -2.7%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe

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I saw this interview, as I watch Newsnight most night unless I'm out boozing with Dorcus, going to gigs with Sludge or walking the Quantocks at dark with TBG.

Farage wasn't saying Brexit has failed. He was saying the Tories implementation of it has. And that's viewed from his perspective that a hard Brexit is a good idea, that the shock of that was worth it in the long term and that we should be making more use of Brexit freedoms etc rather than pragmatic alignments with the EU.

I think he's wrong on that, and most people would, but the desire of the headline proved to strong I guess!

Not withstanding the fact that Brexit is never 'finished' so it can't fail or succeed any more than we can say Wales has failed or Cardiff City have failed.

Again; our GDP growth outperformed our European peers in 2002. Our unemployment rate is lower. Our main stock market outperformed the major European ones. Our wage growth is higher, and inflation rate peaked at about the same level.

Whenever anyone points to 'the disaster" they tend to use predictions, guesswork, memes and short take outs from interviews.

Is Britain thriving? No Is anywhere thriving? No.

I said at the start of this year that 2023 is the year when we will finally have some data that is post brexit that isn't totally distorted by Ukraine and COVID.

I will eat my hat if our full year GDP growth this year is much different from Germany, France etc. Our unemployment will almost certainly be lower and our wage growth will be better.

That's my prediction!

There are so many metrics that matter alongside GDP but so far in terms of 2023 Q1 GDP growth it's as follows. Full list in the link below.

Spain 0.5%
Italy 0.5%
Belgium 0.4%
France 0.2%
Euro area 0.1%
UK 0.1%
Germany 0%
Austria -0.3%
Netherlands -0.7%
Ireland -2.7%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe

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I think we can safely say Cardiff City has failed (hic)

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In fairness, I regretted that example about five minutes and 1 second after writing it!

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I saw this interview, as I watch Newsnight most night unless I'm out boozing with Dorcus, going to gigs with Sludge or walking the Quantocks at dark with TBG.

Farage wasn't saying Brexit has failed. He was saying the Tories implementation of it has. And that's viewed from his perspective that a hard Brexit is a good idea, that the shock of that was worth it in the long term and that we should be making more use of Brexit freedoms etc rather than pragmatic alignments with the EU.

I think he's wrong on that, and most people would, but the desire of the headline proved to strong I guess!

Not withstanding the fact that Brexit is never 'finished' so it can't fail or succeed any more than we can say Wales has failed or Cardiff City have failed.

Again; our GDP growth outperformed our European peers in 2002. Our unemployment rate is lower. Our main stock market outperformed the major European ones. Our wage growth is higher, and inflation rate peaked at about the same level.

Whenever anyone points to 'the disaster" they tend to use predictions, guesswork, memes and short take outs from interviews.

Is Britain thriving? No Is anywhere thriving? No.

I said at the start of this year that 2023 is the year when we will finally have some data that is post brexit that isn't totally distorted by Ukraine and COVID.

I will eat my hat if our full year GDP growth this year is much different from Germany, France etc. Our unemployment will almost certainly be lower and our wage growth will be better.

That's my prediction!

There are so many metrics that matter alongside GDP but so far in terms of 2023 Q1 GDP growth it's as follows. Full list in the link below.

Spain 0.5%
Italy 0.5%
Belgium 0.4%
France 0.2%
Euro area 0.1%
UK 0.1%
Germany 0%
Austria -0.3%
Netherlands -0.7%
Ireland -2.7%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe

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GDP growth has been higher at times post- COVID than our European neighbours because we fell a lot more during COVID than anyone else, so if you look at a snapshot it can look as though we are doing better, but it isn't correct.

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"Ive been working in IT for a logistics company on a contract - Ive seen first hand the mess EU regs have caused the UK,"


We have had to re write massive amounts code on the internal logistics system to reflect the changes that required us to get trucks through customs as quickly as before. When I say 'us' I mean the company I was contracted by to help expand their infrastructure. The devs at one stage, about 18 months ago would be writing code fixes over night.

It's settled down a bit now , hence the company are doing moving a new more de coupled architecture, aws basically. Rather than the monolithic stack that was in place.

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So when you said that you had seen first hand the mess EU Regs have caused the UK, what you really meant was that when this logistics company was inside the EU single market and customs union everything seemed seamless.

However, since the oven ready deal was implemented the company had to write massive amounts of code on the internal logistics system to try and get to a point where trucks got through customs checks as quick as possible given the barriers that the deal we agreed to leave the EU allowed?

But somehow this is down to EU legislation? Have you really understood the purpose of the change contract you were working on?

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So when you said that you had seen first hand the mess EU Regs have caused the UK, what you really meant was that when this logistics company was inside the EU single market and customs union everything seemed seamless.

However, since the oven ready deal was implemented the company had to write massive amounts of code on the internal logistics system to try and get to a point where trucks got through customs checks as quick as possible given the barriers that the deal we agreed to leave the EU allowed?

But somehow this is down to EU legislation? Have you really understood the purpose of the change contract you were working on?

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It would be great if you could express your own opinion on a topic for once, instead of constantly having a go at everybody else. It's incredibly boring and fatiguing in equal measures. I know you were brought up in Abersomewhere, but that's no excuse for this kind of behaviour.

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So when you said that you had seen first hand the mess EU Regs have caused the UK, what you really meant was that when this logistics company was inside the EU single market and customs union everything seemed seamless.

However, since the oven ready deal was implemented the company had to write massive amounts of code on the internal logistics system to try and get to a point where trucks got through customs checks as quick as possible given the barriers that the deal we agreed to leave the EU allowed?

But somehow this is down to EU legislation? Have you really understood the purpose of the change contract you were working on?

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Err no not quite. If the UK negotiators had actually wanted to get a better deal they would have / should have negotiated for one. Rather than settle for what they did.

What are you thoughts on the EU stance with regards to GDPR and where it tried to place the UK post Brexit ?

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It would be great if you could express your own opinion on a topic for once, instead of constantly having a go at everybody else. It's incredibly boring and fatiguing in equal measures. I know you were brought up in Abersomewhere, but that's no excuse for this kind of behaviour.

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:hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Err no not quite. If the UK negotiators had actually wanted to get a better deal they would have / should have negotiated for one. Rather than settle for what they did.

What are you thoughts on the EU stance with regards to GDPR and where it tried to place the UK post Brexit ?

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Let's try to explain this as succinctly as I can. The only deals that would have stopped the logistics company having to implement new software were ones that kept the UK in the single market/customs union. The harder the Brexit the greater the trade friction between a non-EU member country and the EU single market.

The downside of this close relationship was it diminished the ability of the UK to negotiate deals with the brave new world. There was a fallacy doing the rounds for years that the UK could have its cake and eat it. The EU would have been bonkers to give the UK a competitive advantage of being able to trade on equal terms in the single market, deregulate so its businesses were at a disadvantage and still seek trade deals with the rest of the world.

In the end the UK moved to Boris Johnson's oven ready deal negotiated by Lord Frost. It was a hard Brexit of a type rarely mentioned before the referendum. If was the first trade deal ever to introduce rather than remove trade friction.

Are you saying that the deal negotiated didn't go far enough (meaning more friction) and there should have been far more alignment with the single market/customs union (meaning less)?

As for the GDPR reference I don't have a scoobie about what you are talking about.

Still.....good that you seem to have found anew chum :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

Succinct - and then you blurt all that out ..
Nice to see you using the Cathy Newman approach of "So are you saying that" , I'll leave it there - enjoy your Friday night

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Succinct - and then you blurt all that out ..
Nice to see you using the Cathy Newman approach of "So are you saying that" , I'll leave it there - enjoy your Friday night

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I said, as succinctly as I can. Lot easier to try some deflection nonsense than debate and respond I guess.

Anytime you could express your own opinion on a topic for once instead of having a go at everybody else then fill your boots on the Brexit deal and the GDPR.

Word to the wise though, some of your mates find that kind of thing incredibly boring and fatiguing in equal measures. So just be careful they don't log on when you least expect!

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You can start with the unelected PM who is following an entirely different agenda to what was in the manifesto way back when. Boris did his bit before jumping ship, and we will soon have a handover to Starmer. Unfortunately, people like you will be none the wiser. You talk a good game, but your tactical knowledge is terrible :biggrin:

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Boris Johnson’s new deal takes the whole country out of the EU as one United Kingdom. It takes us out of the customs union, allowing us to set our own tariffs and do our own trade deals. It allows us to pass our own laws and ensures that it is our courts that enforce them. Our deal is the only one on the table. It is signed, sealed and ready. It puts the whole country on a path to a new free trade agreement with the EU. This will be a new relationship based on free trade and friendly cooperation, not on the EU’s treaties or EU law. There will be no political alignment with the EU. We will keep the UK out of the single market, out of any form of customs union, and end the role of the European Court of Justice. This future relationship will be one that allows us to:
 Take back control of our laws.
 Take back control of our money.
 Control our own trade policy.
 Introduce an Australian-style points based immigration system.
 Raise standards in areas like workers’ rights, animal welfare, agriculture and the environment.
 Ensure we are in full control of our fishing waters. We will negotiate a trade agreement next year – one that will strengthen our Union – and we will not extend the implementation period beyond December 2020.
In parallel, we will legislate to ensure high standards of workers’ rights, environmental protection and consumer rights. The only way to deliver Brexit is with a Conservative majority in Parliament.

This was the manifesto way back when. Which bits do you think the Conservative government 2019 to date has let you strategists down on?

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I saw this interview, as I watch Newsnight most night unless I'm out boozing with Dorcus, going to gigs with Sludge or walking the Quantocks at dark with TBG.

Farage wasn't saying Brexit has failed. He was saying the Tories implementation of it has. And that's viewed from his perspective that a hard Brexit is a good idea, that the shock of that was worth it in the long term and that we should be making more use of Brexit freedoms etc rather than pragmatic alignments with the EU.

I think he's wrong on that, and most people would, but the desire of the headline proved to strong I guess!

Not withstanding the fact that Brexit is never 'finished' so it can't fail or succeed any more than we can say Wales has failed or Cardiff City have failed.

Again; our GDP growth outperformed our European peers in 2002. Our unemployment rate is lower. Our main stock market outperformed the major European ones. Our wage growth is higher, and inflation rate peaked at about the same level.

Whenever anyone points to 'the disaster" they tend to use predictions, guesswork, memes and short take outs from interviews.

Is Britain thriving? No Is anywhere thriving? No.

I said at the start of this year that 2023 is the year when we will finally have some data that is post brexit that isn't totally distorted by Ukraine and COVID.

I will eat my hat if our full year GDP growth this year is much different from Germany, France etc. Our unemployment will almost certainly be lower and our wage growth will be better.

That's my prediction!

There are so many metrics that matter alongside GDP but so far in terms of 2023 Q1 GDP growth it's as follows. Full list in the link below.

Spain 0.5%
Italy 0.5%
Belgium 0.4%
France 0.2%
Euro area 0.1%
UK 0.1%
Germany 0%
Austria -0.3%
Netherlands -0.7%
Ireland -2.7%

https://tradingeconomics.com/country...ntinent=europe

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And here he is, the man who knows what everyone else doesn’t. For example, the effects of COVID and Ukraine are only been felt in the UK.

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And here he is, the man who knows what everyone else doesn’t. For example, the effects of COVID and Ukraine are only been felt in the UK.

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Where have I said that? What I've posted is actual real data. Why would you dismiss that? Do facts not matter anymore? If something has "failed" as your man Farage says (or in fact didn't say in this case) then would we not be seeing this quite clearly in GDP growth figures, unemployment, stock markets, wages and all the rest of it?

You have the opportunity here to have me over a barrel. I am saying 2023 is the year we can really tell. So bookmark this and see where we're are in 10 months or so once full year 2023 data is out.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2339654.html

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Failed in his narrow view of it , dont worry Sir Keir has a plan , unless the JC returns and sits on his hands about Europe..

What we do no as a ( fact ) its not be momentous or catastrophic as some suggested .

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Where have I said that? What I've posted is actual real data. Why would you dismiss that? Do facts not matter anymore? If something has "failed" as your man Farage says (or in fact didn't say in this case) then would we not be seeing this quite clearly in GDP growth figures, unemployment, stock markets, wages and all the rest of it?

You have the opportunity here to have me over a barrel. I am saying 2023 is the year we can really tell. So bookmark this and see where we're are in 10 months or so once full year 2023 data is out.

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Billy Liar is back with his selective, one-eyed bullshit.

You have no expertise here. Stop posting this misleading tripe.

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Where have I said that? What I've posted is actual real data. Why would you dismiss that? Do facts not matter anymore? If something has "failed" as your man Farage says (or in fact didn't say in this case) then would we not be seeing this quite clearly in GDP growth figures, unemployment, stock markets, wages and all the rest of it?

You have the opportunity here to have me over a barrel. I am saying 2023 is the year we can really tell. So bookmark this and see where we're are in 10 months or so once full year 2023 data is out.

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Everyone has had to deal with the consequences of Covid and Ukraine, so what is wrong with current comparisons? Why do we have to wait for 2023 figures?