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Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
Yeah but when are we gonna sign some players like?
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
God bless them judges
Easy to say from Cowbridge eh.
Interesting that the Rwandan govt have strongly criticised the decision? Bit of old school imperialist racism from these elderly Oxbridge judges perhaps?
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Easy to say from Cowbridge eh.
Interesting that the Rwandan govt have strongly criticised the decision? Bit of old school imperialist racism from these elderly Oxbridge judges perhaps?
What's where I currently live got to do with my views that this current govt are a bunch of chancers , propped up by the likes of you ?
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Originally Posted by
David Lemma
Yeah but when are we gonna sign some players like?
No one is interested
The message board has ground to a halt
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Interesting that the Rwandan govt have strongly criticised the decision? Bit of old school imperialist racism from these elderly Oxbridge judges perhaps?
The decision that says that the UK shouldn't pay them over £100k a person to receive people ?
What's their problem?
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Easy to say from Cowbridge eh.
Interesting that the Rwandan govt have strongly criticised the decision? Bit of old school imperialist racism from these elderly Oxbridge judges perhaps?
How much time have you spent in Rwanda?
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The judges concluded there was a real risk of harm coming to persons sent back to home countries
Rwanda is NOT safe enough
Two out of the three judges sided against the home Secretary
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Originally Posted by
caerkid
The decision that says that the UK shouldn't pay them over £100k a person to receive people ?
What's their problem?
Yeah can't think why Rwanda would criticise a decision that stops them making an absolute mint from the UK taxpayer.
Bizarre policy, predictable outcome (to some of us).
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Easy to say from Cowbridge eh.
Interesting that the Rwandan govt have strongly criticised the decision? Bit of old school imperialist racism from these elderly Oxbridge judges perhaps?
Rwanda https://www.hrw.org/africa/rwanda
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/africa/east-africa-the-horn-and-great-lakes/rwanda/report-rwanda/
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
What's where I currently live got to do with my views that this current govt are a bunch of chancers , propped up by the likes of you ?
What do you suggest we do with them all sludge?
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
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Originally Posted by
goats
What do you suggest we do with them all sludge?
I hear Rwanda's nice.
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
Nigel Farage has tweeted that we should send them back to France. Little does he know that we used to be able to do that when we were a member of a thing called the European Union before some people came along and convinced enough of the population that we'd all be much better off not being a member. Perhaps he could do a bit of research on it if he's got a spare 5 minutes.
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
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Originally Posted by
Undercoverinwurzelland
The military terrorist arm of the corrupt government ?
Are knocking off government opponents ?
I heard they were good lads ?
Mrs Bravermaun sten gen panzer said it was a safe place ?
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Originally Posted by
goats
What do you suggest we do with them all sludge?
I suggest we accept that illegal migration needs a lot more money spent on controlling it and even then it will remain a serious problem
Doesn't mean we should be happy with it
However what we shouldn't do is support a policy that sends people to their deaths
Would you agree ?
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Originally Posted by
Undercoverinwurzelland
Nigel Farage has tweeted that we should send them back to France. Little does he know that we used to be able to do that when we were a member of a thing called the European Union before some people came along and convinced enough of the population that we'd all be much better off not being a member. Perhaps he could do a bit of research on it if he's got a spare 5 minutes.
I have been watching GB news recently
Some right nut cases on that
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I hear Rwanda's nice.
It was
But now it isn't
Strange
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I suggest we accept that illegal migration needs a lot more money spent on controlling it and even then it will remain a serious problem
Doesn't mean we should be happy with it
However what we shouldn't do is support a policy that sends people to their deaths
Would you agree ?
You could always just answer the question
What would you - Prime Minister Sludge do with them ?
That does not mean spending money on stopping it - as they are already here.
What would you do with the ones already here -
things like :
1. Where would you house them ?
2. Would they have priority over existing people on Council house waiting lists ?
3. Would you allow them to work ?
4. Would you allow them to claim benefits ?
5. Would you offer them safe passage to another country ?
Stuff like that - away you go - fill ya boots - lets have them policies PM Sludge of Cowbridge Left
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Originally Posted by
pipster
You could always just answer the question
What would you - Prime Minister Sludge do with them ?
That does not mean spending money on stopping it - as they are already here.
What would you do with the ones already here -
things like :
1. Where would you house them ?
2. Would they have priority over existing people on Council house waiting lists ?
3. Would you allow them to work ?
4. Would you allow them to claim benefits ?
5. Would you offer them safe passage to another country ?
Stuff like that - away you go - fill ya boots - lets have them policies PM Sludge of Cowbridge Left
Spending more money .........which was my answer to the question is already on the table
That will reduce but not deal completely with the problem
And those questions above you have asked are all a YES from me and even then it's an ongoing issue
All these control our borders , close the ports is complete nonsense and just vote grabbing
Bauverman Gestapo is saying the British people want the boats stopped and that's what we are doing !
The government are hopeless and most people of reasonable mind want an all round approach to migration
With this lot you just get impossible targets to bribe people into voting for them
Maybe that's what you want ?
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I've spent a lot of time in Rwanda and the organisation I work for has an office there.
It's a beautiful country with lovely people.
While the government takes two steps forwards with regards to infrastructure (social and transport etc), they take a giant leap backwards with regards to human rights, freedoms , democracy etc. its a very controlling and toxic environment.
I know people who have been taken by the Rwandan authorities and treated appallingly. I can't elaborate here.
The last time Rwanda accepted asylum seekers from other countries it was a disaster with many of the asylum seekers being mistreated. When they escaped, they were killed.
It is not an African utopia.
As for pipsters questions:
What would you do with the ones already here -
things like :
1. Where would you house them ? - firstly we need to process them quickly to make sure they are not staying in poor conditions paid for (over paid for) by the the public purse. Get them into work and filling the huge shortages we have. They can then pay rent and contribute in taxes. (some people wait 4 (FOUR) years before their claim is accepted or rejected). In terms of housing - this is a bigger issue and i am so disappointed with both main political parties for under investing in homes and also allowing landlords and corporations (many foreign) to buy up properties which could be available. Londongrad explains how so many properties in London are bought by foreign companies or oligarchs and remain empty. With the money allocated to sending people to Rwanda, that could easily be used to make 10000's of empty properties available and fix up the so many dilapidated properties in our cities.
2. Would they have priority over existing people on Council house waiting lists ?
See above - no they wouldn't and nor should they... get them into work and let them rent or buy like most others - with the caveat that local authorities get funding from central government to renovate available houses and make them available to everyone.
3. Would you allow them to work ?
Yes - why on earth would anyone NOT want them to work? That is mental. Work, pay tax, pay NI, fill the workforce shortages and save us a ton of money to house them for years while we process their claims... a no brainer.
4. Would you allow them to claim benefits ?
Allow them to work and let them be a full part of the system - paying TAX and NI and if they do fall out of work, then yes they should be able to claim benefits if they are legally allowed to work and live here.
5. Would you offer them safe passage to another country ?
If they wanted it and if they had links to another country... yes. Perhaps we could join some kind of union with our neighbours and negotiate a deal where we share the refugee /asylum population
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
I've spent a lot of time in Rwanda and the organisation I work for has an office there.
It's a beautiful country with lovely people.
While the government takes two steps forwards with regards to infrastructure (social and transport etc), they take a giant leap backwards with regards to human rights, freedoms , democracy etc. its a very controlling and toxic environment.
I know people who have been taken by the Rwandan authorities and treated appallingly. I can't elaborate here.
The last time Rwanda accepted asylum seekers from other countries it was a disaster with many of the asylum seekers being mistreated. When they escaped, they were killed.
It is not an African utopia.
As for pipsters questions:
What would you do with the ones already here -
things like :
1. Where would you house them ? - firstly we need to process them quickly to make sure they are not staying in poor conditions paid for (over paid for) by the the public purse. Get them into work and filling the huge shortages we have. They can then pay rent and contribute in taxes. (some people wait 4 (FOUR) years before their claim is accepted or rejected). In terms of housing - this is a bigger issue and i am so disappointed with both main political parties for under investing in homes and also allowing landlords and corporations (many foreign) to buy up properties which could be available. Londongrad explains how so many properties in London are bought by foreign companies or oligarchs and remain empty. With the money allocated to sending people to Rwanda, that could easily be used to make 10000's of empty properties available and fix up the so many dilapidated properties in our cities.
2. Would they have priority over existing people on Council house waiting lists ?
See above - no they wouldn't and nor should they... get them into work and let them rent or buy like most others - with the caveat that local authorities get funding from central government to renovate available houses and make them available to everyone.
3. Would you allow them to work ?
Yes - why on earth would anyone NOT want them to work? That is mental. Work, pay tax, pay NI, fill the workforce shortages and save us a ton of money to house them for years while we process their claims... a no brainer.
4. Would you allow them to claim benefits ?
Allow them to work and let them be a full part of the system - paying TAX and NI and if they do fall out of work, then yes they should be able to claim benefits if they are legally allowed to work and live here.
5. Would you offer them safe passage to another country ?
If they wanted it and if they had links to another country... yes. Perhaps we could join some kind of union with our neighbours and negotiate a deal where we share the refugee /asylum population
Join a union where we join our neighbours with a strategic approach to migration ?
Like the er .....EU ?
I think 🤔 maybe stay as we are ?
Tough on the borders , tough on the causes of the borders !
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Originally Posted by
goats
What do you suggest we do with them all sludge?
register them in the system. Give them NI numbers, get them working paying taxes and contributing.
if there are no illegals then cash in hand jobs disappear. This in turn means wages rise for those who prepared to work in jobs where the employer operates PAYE.
its full of win.
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
I've spent a lot of time in Rwanda and the organisation I work for has an office there.
It's a beautiful country with lovely people.
While the government takes two steps forwards with regards to infrastructure (social and transport etc), they take a giant leap backwards with regards to human rights, freedoms , democracy etc. its a very controlling and toxic environment.
I know people who have been taken by the Rwandan authorities and treated appallingly. I can't elaborate here.
The last time Rwanda accepted asylum seekers from other countries it was a disaster with many of the asylum seekers being mistreated. When they escaped, they were killed.
It is not an African utopia.
As for pipsters questions:
What would you do with the ones already here -
things like :
1. Where would you house them ? - firstly we need to process them quickly to make sure they are not staying in poor conditions paid for (over paid for) by the the public purse. Get them into work and filling the huge shortages we have. They can then pay rent and contribute in taxes. (some people wait 4 (FOUR) years before their claim is accepted or rejected). In terms of housing - this is a bigger issue and i am so disappointed with both main political parties for under investing in homes and also allowing landlords and corporations (many foreign) to buy up properties which could be available. Londongrad explains how so many properties in London are bought by foreign companies or oligarchs and remain empty. With the money allocated to sending people to Rwanda, that could easily be used to make 10000's of empty properties available and fix up the so many dilapidated properties in our cities.
2. Would they have priority over existing people on Council house waiting lists ?
See above - no they wouldn't and nor should they... get them into work and let them rent or buy like most others - with the caveat that local authorities get funding from central government to renovate available houses and make them available to everyone.
3. Would you allow them to work ?
Yes - why on earth would anyone NOT want them to work? That is mental. Work, pay tax, pay NI, fill the workforce shortages and save us a ton of money to house them for years while we process their claims... a no brainer.
4. Would you allow them to claim benefits ?
Allow them to work and let them be a full part of the system - paying TAX and NI and if they do fall out of work, then yes they should be able to claim benefits if they are legally allowed to work and live here.
5. Would you offer them safe passage to another country ?
If they wanted it and if they had links to another country... yes. Perhaps we could join some kind of union with our neighbours and negotiate a deal where we share the refugee /asylum population
Very interesting post - especially about the situation in Rwanda.
Your responses to the pipster questions are also spot on. No one claims the solutions are easy or cheap - but they are right, and much less expensive (or wasteful) than the alternatives that the current government is promoting as a sop to their base.
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
I've spent a lot of time in Rwanda and the organisation I work for has an office there.
It's a beautiful country with lovely people.
While the government takes two steps forwards with regards to infrastructure (social and transport etc), they take a giant leap backwards with regards to human rights, freedoms , democracy etc. its a very controlling and toxic environment.
I know people who have been taken by the Rwandan authorities and treated appallingly. I can't elaborate here.
The last time Rwanda accepted asylum seekers from other countries it was a disaster with many of the asylum seekers being mistreated. When they escaped, they were killed.
It is not an African utopia.
As for pipsters questions:
What would you do with the ones already here -
things like :
1. Where would you house them ? - firstly we need to process them quickly to make sure they are not staying in poor conditions paid for (over paid for) by the the public purse. Get them into work and filling the huge shortages we have. They can then pay rent and contribute in taxes. (some people wait 4 (FOUR) years before their claim is accepted or rejected). In terms of housing - this is a bigger issue and i am so disappointed with both main political parties for under investing in homes and also allowing landlords and corporations (many foreign) to buy up properties which could be available. Londongrad explains how so many properties in London are bought by foreign companies or oligarchs and remain empty. With the money allocated to sending people to Rwanda, that could easily be used to make 10000's of empty properties available and fix up the so many dilapidated properties in our cities.
2. Would they have priority over existing people on Council house waiting lists ?
See above - no they wouldn't and nor should they... get them into work and let them rent or buy like most others - with the caveat that local authorities get funding from central government to renovate available houses and make them available to everyone.
3. Would you allow them to work ?
Yes - why on earth would anyone NOT want them to work? That is mental. Work, pay tax, pay NI, fill the workforce shortages and save us a ton of money to house them for years while we process their claims... a no brainer.
4. Would you allow them to claim benefits ?
Allow them to work and let them be a full part of the system - paying TAX and NI and if they do fall out of work, then yes they should be able to claim benefits if they are legally allowed to work and live here.
5. Would you offer them safe passage to another country ?
If they wanted it and if they had links to another country... yes. Perhaps we could join some kind of union with our neighbours and negotiate a deal where we share the refugee /asylum population
Well said sir, African Bluebird for PM.
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Very interesting post - especially about the situation in Rwanda.
Your responses to the pipster questions are also spot on. No one claims the solutions are easy or cheap - but they are right, and much less expensive (or wasteful) than the alternatives that the current government is promoting as a sop to their base.
Of course it's a sop
They are desperate for votes and a pull on the right wing flog em , send em back puppet strings is always worth a try
That Brauverman is a shocking neo con
Who votes for a nut case like her ?
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Originally Posted by
HiVis
register them in the system. Give them NI numbers, get them working paying taxes and contributing.
if there are no illegals then cash in hand jobs disappear. This in turn means wages rise for those who prepared to work in jobs where the employer operates PAYE.
its full of win.
NI numbers , identity, contribute to system and easier to trace and sanction than if they are working in a sweat shop or food outlet for pennies
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Originally Posted by
Undercoverinwurzelland
Nigel Farage has tweeted that we should send them back to France. Little does he know that we used to be able to do that when we were a member of a thing called the European Union before some people came along and convinced enough of the population that we'd all be much better off not being a member. Perhaps he could do a bit of research on it if he's got a spare 5 minutes.
Now the UK'll have to pay 7 Euros (or whatever it is) to get them an ETIAS.
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Originally Posted by
bigjoe
Now the UK'll have to pay 7 Euros (or whatever it is) to get them an ETIAS.
....and queue at the non EU passport holders line to have passport stamped so long as the lovely blue non EU passports last 10 years. The embossing on the front of mine has half worn off already after 18 months and the whole thing looks like it will fall apart. But....so long as its non EU, it's what the people want.
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by
HiVis
register them in the system. Give them NI numbers, get them working paying taxes and contributing.
if there are no illegals then cash in hand jobs disappear. This in turn means wages rise for those who prepared to work in jobs where the employer operates PAYE.
its full of win.
Agreed.
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
I've spent a lot of time in Rwanda and the organisation I work for has an office there.
It's a beautiful country with lovely people.
While the government takes two steps forwards with regards to infrastructure (social and transport etc), they take a giant leap backwards with regards to human rights, freedoms , democracy etc. its a very controlling and toxic environment.
I know people who have been taken by the Rwandan authorities and treated appallingly. I can't elaborate here.
The last time Rwanda accepted asylum seekers from other countries it was a disaster with many of the asylum seekers being mistreated. When they escaped, they were killed.
It is not an African utopia.
As for pipsters questions:
What would you do with the ones already here -
things like :
1. Where would you house them ? - firstly we need to process them quickly to make sure they are not staying in poor conditions paid for (over paid for) by the the public purse. Get them into work and filling the huge shortages we have. They can then pay rent and contribute in taxes. (some people wait 4 (FOUR) years before their claim is accepted or rejected). In terms of housing - this is a bigger issue and i am so disappointed with both main political parties for under investing in homes and also allowing landlords and corporations (many foreign) to buy up properties which could be available. Londongrad explains how so many properties in London are bought by foreign companies or oligarchs and remain empty. With the money allocated to sending people to Rwanda, that could easily be used to make 10000's of empty properties available and fix up the so many dilapidated properties in our cities.
2. Would they have priority over existing people on Council house waiting lists ?
See above - no they wouldn't and nor should they... get them into work and let them rent or buy like most others - with the caveat that local authorities get funding from central government to renovate available houses and make them available to everyone.
3. Would you allow them to work ?
Yes - why on earth would anyone NOT want them to work? That is mental. Work, pay tax, pay NI, fill the workforce shortages and save us a ton of money to house them for years while we process their claims... a no brainer.
4. Would you allow them to claim benefits ?
Allow them to work and let them be a full part of the system - paying TAX and NI and if they do fall out of work, then yes they should be able to claim benefits if they are legally allowed to work and live here.
5. Would you offer them safe passage to another country ?
If they wanted it and if they had links to another country... yes. Perhaps we could join some kind of union with our neighbours and negotiate a deal where we share the refugee /asylum population
:thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Of course it's a sop
They are desperate for votes and a pull on the right wing flog em , send em back puppet strings is always worth a try
That Brauverman is a shocking neo con
Who votes for a nut case like her ?
In answer to your question: nut cases like her.
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
Quote:
Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
I've spent a lot of time in Rwanda and the organisation I work for has an office there.
It's a beautiful country with lovely people.
While the government takes two steps forwards with regards to infrastructure (social and transport etc), they take a giant leap backwards with regards to human rights, freedoms , democracy etc. its a very controlling and toxic environment.
I know people who have been taken by the Rwandan authorities and treated appallingly. I can't elaborate here.
The last time Rwanda accepted asylum seekers from other countries it was a disaster with many of the asylum seekers being mistreated. When they escaped, they were killed.
It is not an African utopia.
As for pipsters questions:
What would you do with the ones already here -
things like :
1. Where would you house them ? - firstly we need to process them quickly to make sure they are not staying in poor conditions paid for (over paid for) by the the public purse. Get them into work and filling the huge shortages we have. They can then pay rent and contribute in taxes. (some people wait 4 (FOUR) years before their claim is accepted or rejected). In terms of housing - this is a bigger issue and i am so disappointed with both main political parties for under investing in homes and also allowing landlords and corporations (many foreign) to buy up properties which could be available. Londongrad explains how so many properties in London are bought by foreign companies or oligarchs and remain empty. With the money allocated to sending people to Rwanda, that could easily be used to make 10000's of empty properties available and fix up the so many dilapidated properties in our cities.
2. Would they have priority over existing people on Council house waiting lists ?
See above - no they wouldn't and nor should they... get them into work and let them rent or buy like most others - with the caveat that local authorities get funding from central government to renovate available houses and make them available to everyone.
3. Would you allow them to work ?
Yes - why on earth would anyone NOT want them to work? That is mental. Work, pay tax, pay NI, fill the workforce shortages and save us a ton of money to house them for years while we process their claims... a no brainer.
4. Would you allow them to claim benefits ?
Allow them to work and let them be a full part of the system - paying TAX and NI and if they do fall out of work, then yes they should be able to claim benefits if they are legally allowed to work and live here.
5. Would you offer them safe passage to another country ?
If they wanted it and if they had links to another country... yes. Perhaps we could join some kind of union with our neighbours and negotiate a deal where we share the refugee /asylum population
Great response, I await pipster’s reply.
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Originally Posted by
AfricanBluebird
I've spent a lot of time in Rwanda and the organisation I work for has an office there.
It's a beautiful country with lovely people.
While the government takes two steps forwards with regards to infrastructure (social and transport etc), they take a giant leap backwards with regards to human rights, freedoms , democracy etc. its a very controlling and toxic environment.
I know people who have been taken by the Rwandan authorities and treated appallingly. I can't elaborate here.
The last time Rwanda accepted asylum seekers from other countries it was a disaster with many of the asylum seekers being mistreated. When they escaped, they were killed.
It is not an African utopia.
As for pipsters questions:
What would you do with the ones already here -
things like :
1. Where would you house them ? - firstly we need to process them quickly to make sure they are not staying in poor conditions paid for (over paid for) by the the public purse. Get them into work and filling the huge shortages we have. They can then pay rent and contribute in taxes. (some people wait 4 (FOUR) years before their claim is accepted or rejected). In terms of housing - this is a bigger issue and i am so disappointed with both main political parties for under investing in homes and also allowing landlords and corporations (many foreign) to buy up properties which could be available. Londongrad explains how so many properties in London are bought by foreign companies or oligarchs and remain empty. With the money allocated to sending people to Rwanda, that could easily be used to make 10000's of empty properties available and fix up the so many dilapidated properties in our cities.
2. Would they have priority over existing people on Council house waiting lists ?
See above - no they wouldn't and nor should they... get them into work and let them rent or buy like most others - with the caveat that local authorities get funding from central government to renovate available houses and make them available to everyone.
3. Would you allow them to work ?
Yes - why on earth would anyone NOT want them to work? That is mental. Work, pay tax, pay NI, fill the workforce shortages and save us a ton of money to house them for years while we process their claims... a no brainer.
4. Would you allow them to claim benefits ?
Allow them to work and let them be a full part of the system - paying TAX and NI and if they do fall out of work, then yes they should be able to claim benefits if they are legally allowed to work and live here.
5. Would you offer them safe passage to another country ?
If they wanted it and if they had links to another country... yes. Perhaps we could join some kind of union with our neighbours and negotiate a deal where we share the refugee /asylum population
Great answers - however the african elephant is still in the room (no pun intended). All good stuff - but back to reality:
We cant process the ones that are here quick enough - as they all appeal (fair enough) hence the never ending backlog.
Lets take it at face value though - as of Monday - you have found them all - a house to live in, a job to work, a school place, and all the other stuff like Doctors, Dentists etc etc.
You still have a problem - for over 20 years - they have still been coming in (successive Govts on all sides havent been able to stop it) - so the problem doesnt go away - it gets worse - as people now realise - hey no problem, look what the great people in the UK are doing for me and so more come and we have to do the same with them (as you suggested) - and then more come etc - you now have an exponential problem
It's a great idea - get them all to work - give them a job and a home - but the practicalities of it are ultimately unsolvable. So as much as I admire the 'easy' solution - I think it's a little bit more complicated than that - unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by
pipster
Great answers - however the african elephant is still in the room (no pun intended). All good stuff - but back to reality:
We cant process the ones that are here quick enough - as they all appeal (fair enough) hence the never ending backlog.
The government doesn't agree with you that this is down to appeals. That's the Tory government of the UK.
House Of Commons Research Briefing CPB9737 dated 20 March 2023:
Delays to processing asylum claims in the UK
The Home Office publishes data on pending asylum applications quarterly. At the end of December, there were 166,300 people awaiting an asylum decision, of whom:
• 161,000 were awaiting an initial decision.
• 5,300 were awaiting the outcome of further review, such as an appeal.
• Of those awaiting an initial decision, 68% (110,000 people) had been waiting for more than six months and 32% (51,300 people) had been waiting six months or less.
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, the complexity of some of the claims and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
Some stakeholders and observers suggest the increased number of people awaiting decisions is because of larger inefficiencies within the decision making process and a lack of returns agreements.
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jon1959
The government doesn't agree with you that this is down to appeals. That's the Tory government of the UK.
House Of Commons Research Briefing CPB9737 dated 20 March 2023:
Delays to processing asylum claims in the UK
The Home Office publishes data on pending asylum applications quarterly. At the end of December, there were 166,300 people awaiting an asylum decision, of whom:
• 161,000 were awaiting an initial decision.
• 5,300 were awaiting the outcome of further review, such as an appeal.
• Of those awaiting an initial decision, 68% (110,000 people) had been waiting for more than six months and 32% (51,300 people) had been waiting six months or less.
Why are asylum delays increasing?
The Government accepts that the backlog of asylum decisions is too high. Its position is that an increased number of asylum applications, the complexity of some of the claims and declining caseworker productivity have caused the backlog.
Some stakeholders and observers suggest the increased number of people awaiting decisions is because of larger inefficiencies within the decision making process and a lack of returns agreements.
For “declining caseworkers productivity” read cuts. This country is paying the consequences of forty years of Governments “selling the family silverware” as a former Tory Prime Minister put it or cutting public services and public service jobs to the bone.
Braverman keeps banging on about how the British people back the Government on this subject, yet I thought polls showed a majority against the Rwandan stunt?
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
The immigrant card is all they have left. They have destroyed the country so blaming immigrants for all our woes comes in pretty convenient.
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Re: Rwanda Policy Defeated By UK Court , Braverman spitting teeth
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goats
What do you suggest we do with them all sludge?
Send them to vacant holiday lets in West Wales
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Dave Blue
The immigrant card is all they have left. They have destroyed the country so blaming immigrants for all our woes comes in pretty convenient.
It’s been used more than Colin’s “My kind of club, my kind of club” card. So predictable.
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J R Hartley
It’s been used more than Colin’s “My kind of club, my kind of club” card. So predictable.
Who , wether he's a good manager or not , is very right wing and loves the The Tories
Much to my chagrin
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Who , wether he's a good manager or not , is very right wing and loves the The Tories
Much to my chagrin
If Brexit was a football manager it would be Colin.