Problem in Leeds Tonight

just got in what's all this about ?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now <a href="https://twitter.com/WestYorksPolice?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WestYorksPol ice</a> have been forced to LEAVE once AGAIN as cars burn and missiles are thrown at their vehicles.<br>Lawless Leeds is burning. Britain is falling. <a href="https://t.co/k32GUpPfQs">pic.twitter.com/k32GUpPfQs</a></p>&mdash; Darren Grimes (@darrengrimes_) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1814036887843029432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's probably someone's birthday, nothing to worry about.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

It's probably someone's birthday, nothing to worry about.

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appears to be a bit more problematic than that !

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arson today in Leeds, West Yorkshire, England. Rioters set vehicles on fire including this bus.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/leedsriots?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#leed sriots</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/London?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#London</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/England?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#England </a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKI NG</a> <a href="https://t.co/vm652PR4uN">pic.twitter.com/vm652PR4uN</a></p>&mdash; Target Reporter (@Target_Reporter) <a href="https://twitter.com/Target_Reporter/status/1814060276196786581?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It's fine, Sir Kier says UK is broken.

The council has been under Labour majority control since 2011.

Jeez London as well

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bangladeshi community RIOT in London tonight over the political unrest in their home country of Bangladesh. <br><br>Hundred of men stormed a building in Whitechapel, London. <a href="https://t.co/RUgR7p7yM1">pic.twitter.com/RUgR7p7yM1</a></p>&mdash; Oli London (@OliLondonTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1814062114169929792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

just got in what's all this about ?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now <a href="https://twitter.com/WestYorksPolice?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WestYorksPol ice</a> have been forced to LEAVE once AGAIN as cars burn and missiles are thrown at their vehicles.<br>Lawless Leeds is burning. Britain is falling. <a href="https://t.co/k32GUpPfQs">pic.twitter.com/k32GUpPfQs</a></p>&mdash; Darren Grimes (@darrengrimes_) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1814036887843029432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Apparently social services were trying to take some children into care or something

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

appears to be a bit more problematic than that !

Arson today in Leeds, West Yorkshire, England. Rioters set vehicles on fire including this bus.#leedsriots #London #England #BREAKING pic.twitter.com/vm652PR4uN
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I haven't seen the video, so I will take your word for it regarding the overexuberance.

Hopefully a CCMB Labour Party spokesperson will be issuing a statement shortly.

Some absolutely shocking videos on twitter. Buses, police cars and buildings being set on fire

I think it's not that long ago that several police vehicles and cars were set alight during a night of disturbances in Ely

Last spring wasn't it ?

Where is the Home Secretary?

Good to see the usuals on social media and here displaying faux outrage but a quick 'google' into the facts turn up some interesting perspectives.

https://ctinsight.net/budget-cuts-we...nder-pressure/

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Good to see the usuals on social media and here displaying faux outrage but a quick 'google' into the facts turn up some interesting perspectives.

https://ctinsight.net/budget-cuts-we...nder-pressure/

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a 'Quick' google search !! One of the most obscure websites out there !!

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

a 'Quick' google search !! One of the most obscure websites out there !!

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The source was the BBC, I used that site as I thought it was befitting to some of the hysterics that was being displayed in social media.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-66054322

Here to help.

So we have Bangladeshis in London rioting over something happening in Bangladesh
We have people in Leeds setting fire to council buses, the person caught in video doing it is ‘Asian heritage’ something to do with kids being taken into care
And we have a clueless Home Secretary who whose dept just said “ The Home Office said: "We are giving the police the resources they need to tackle crime."

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Originally Posted by pipster

So we have Bangladeshis in London rioting over something happening in Bangladesh
We have people in Leeds setting fire to council buses, the person caught in video doing it is ‘Asian heritage’ something to do with kids being taken into care
And we have a clueless Home Secretary who whose dept just said “ The Home Office said: "We are giving the police the resources they need to tackle crime."

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I am more pessimistic about race relations in the UK due to the proliferation of critical race theory in institutions and high immigration and our communities are reshaping less into diverse places and more into a patchwork of highly concentrated and pretty homogeneous communities.

So there are issues..

And Harehills is a very Asian part of Leeds..

But there is nothing to suggest that it's anything to do with that is there? From what I have read it's about the removal of a child from a Roma family.

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Originally Posted by pipster

So we have Bangladeshis in London rioting over something happening in Bangladesh
We have people in Leeds setting fire to council buses, the person caught in video doing it is ‘Asian heritage’ something to do with kids being taken into care
And we have a clueless Home Secretary who whose dept just said “ The Home Office said: "We are giving the police the resources they need to tackle crime."

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The persons chucking rubbish into the bus were white

And there are videos of white kids throwing missiles at the police

I didn't think it would take you long

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Originally Posted by pipster

So we have Bangladeshis in London rioting over something happening in Bangladesh
We have people in Leeds setting fire to council buses, the person caught in video doing it is ‘Asian heritage’ something to do with kids being taken into care
And we have a clueless Home Secretary who whose dept just said “ The Home Office said: "We are giving the police the resources they need to tackle crime."

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Posting without the correct facts as per normal.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I am more pessimistic about race relations in the UK due to the proliferation of critical race theory in institutions and high immigration and our communities are reshaping less into diverse places and more into a patchwork of highly concentrated and pretty homogeneous communities.

So there are issues..

And Harehills is a very Asian part of Leeds..

But there is nothing to suggest that it's anything to do with that is there? From what I have read it's about the removal of a child from a Roma family.

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The academic term "Critical Race Theory" (CRT) has been appropriated negatively by right-wing, racist, and xenophobic groups in recent years. Originally developed in the 1970s and 1980s by academics like Derrick Bell, Kimberly Crenshaw, and Richard Delgado, CRT aimed to examine and challenge the ways in which race and racism intersect with politics, culture, and the law. It provided a framework for understanding systemic racism and its impact on marginalised communities.

However, right-wing groups have distorted CRT to serve their own agendas, portraying it as a divisive and dangerous ideology. Which appears is what you are doing. They often misrepresent CRT as an attack on white people and Western values, using it as a scapegoat for various societal issues. This negative appropriation has fueled fear and resentment, leading to widespread misinformation and misunderstanding about CRT's true purpose and goals.

By framing CRT as a threat, these groups have rallied support for policies that oppose diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives (you've thrown in 'high immigration' too) . This not only hinders constructive conversations about race but also perpetuates harmful stereotypes and xenophobic attitudes. The misappropriation of CRT underscores a broader resistance to acknowledging and addressing systemic racism, ultimately obstructing progress towards a more just and equitable society.

Also, we start to see posts on here that specifically reference 'looking asian' which starts to casually but insidiously target non-white UK nationals and just serves to prop up institutional and personal prejudices.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

The academic term "Critical Race Theory" (CRT) has been appropriated negatively by right-wing, racist, and xenophobic groups in recent years. Originally developed in the 1970s and 1980s by academics like Derrick Bell, Kimberly Crenshaw, and Richard Delgado, CRT aimed to examine and challenge the ways in which race and racism intersect with politics, culture, and the law. It provided a framework for understanding systemic racism and its impact on marginalised communities.

However, right-wing groups have distorted CRT to serve their own agendas, portraying it as a divisive and dangerous ideology. Which appears is what you are doing. They often misrepresent CRT as an attack on white people and Western values, using it as a scapegoat for various societal issues. This negative appropriation has fueled fear and resentment, leading to widespread misinformation and misunderstanding about CRT's true purpose and goals.

By framing CRT as a threat, these groups have rallied support for policies that oppose diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives (you've thrown in 'high immigration' too) . This not only hinders constructive conversations about race but also perpetuates harmful stereotypes and xenophobic attitudes. The misappropriation of CRT underscores a broader resistance to acknowledging and addressing systemic racism, ultimately obstructing progress towards a more just and equitable society.

Also, we start to see posts on here that specifically reference 'looking asian' which starts to casually but insidiously target non-white UK nationals and just serves to prop up institutional and personal prejudices.

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Claims to want a constructive conversation about race...refers to people with a different opinion as racist and xenophobic in the first sentence 🫣.

I agree with you that what is an interesting and useful theory 50 years ago has been distorted and I agree that some right wing ideologies have done that, but by far the greatest distortion has come from the left; viewing almost every issue through the prism of race. And that is creating division I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by pipster

So we have Bangladeshis in London rioting over something happening in Bangladesh
We have people in Leeds setting fire to council buses, the person caught in video doing it is ‘Asian heritage’ something to do with kids being taken into care
And we have a clueless Home Secretary who whose dept just said “ The Home Office said: "We are giving the police the resources they need to tackle crime."

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The Home Secretaries responsible for policing, law and order, the justice system etc for the last 14 years have been Teresa May, Amber Rudd, Sajid David, Priti Patel, Stella Braverman, Grant Schapps, Suella Braverman ii (returning after she'd been sacked from the previous time), James Cleverly and up until a few weeks ago............................................... ...Yvette Cooper. Just take politics out of it for just a sec and reflect. Have a look at the policing figures under the Party of Law & Order since 2010 here https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...olice%20forces.

....start joining the dots.

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Claims to want a constructive conversation about race...refers to people with a different opinion as racist and xenophobic in the first sentence ��.

I agree with you that what is an interesting and useful theory 50 years ago has been distorted and I agree that some right wing ideologies have done that, but by far the greatest distortion has come from the left; viewing almost every issue through the prism of race. And that is creating division I'm afraid.

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No it hasn't. Different opinions can be racist and xenophobic James. That's how it works I'm afraid. Now, people don't like that being pointed out. They think they are being accused of being racist when in fact, it's the 'language' and descriptors that are racist and there should, at least, be some acknowledgement of that.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

No it hasn't. Different opinions can be racist and xenophobic James. That's how it works I'm afraid. Now, people don't like that being pointed out. They think they are being accused of being racist when in fact, it's the 'language' and descriptors that are racist and there should, at least, be some acknowledgement of that.

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Well I think the policies you likely support are the ones creating community divisions, driving us apart, dividing us along racial lines etc. I think we've gone backwards in the last 20 years or so. That doesn't mean I think you are racist and xenophobic.

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

just got in what's all this about ?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now <a href="https://twitter.com/WestYorksPolice?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WestYorksPol ice</a> have been forced to LEAVE once AGAIN as cars burn and missiles are thrown at their vehicles.<br>Lawless Leeds is burning. Britain is falling. <a href="https://t.co/k32GUpPfQs">pic.twitter.com/k32GUpPfQs</a></p>— Darren Grimes (@darrengrimes_) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1814036887843029432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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GB news guy.

He's a twat.

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Well I think the policies you likely support are the ones creating community divisions, driving us apart, dividing us along racial lines etc. I think we've gone backwards in the last 20 years or so. That doesn't mean I think you are racist and xenophobic.

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That's actually really offensive.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

That's actually really offensive.

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Well funnily enough, it didn't read like a Valentine's card when you were talking about racism and xenophobia!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well funnily enough, it didn't read like a Valentine's card when you were talking about racism and xenophobia!

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Deflection.

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Deflection.

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There's no deflection about it. It's a theory, I think a deeply flawed one that is creating greater divisions by emphasising our differences rather than what unites us. That's a perfect reasonable and sound conclusion. Others will have other conclusions.

Never quite understood the idea of protesting by smashing up your local area.

Not going to pretend I actually know what is going on so that's my only comment.

What surprised me was the amount of people who were blatantly committing extremely violent and antisocial acts on camera, with no attempt to cover faces. I hope the police are in their mob handed for the next few weeks pulling people and putting doors in.

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What surprised me was the amount of people who were blatantly committing extremely violent and antisocial acts on camera, with no attempt to cover faces. I hope the police are in their mob handed for the next few weeks pulling people and putting doors in.

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Yeah I thought that. Saw a video on twitter a short while ago of a guy setting fire to a bus casually being filmed, no face covering or anything.

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Yeah I thought that. Saw a video on twitter a short while ago of a guy setting fire to a bus casually being filmed, no face covering or anything.

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Yeah that was one that really got me. Along with the folks actually digging up the road in order to then throw it at the old bill.


Fair play to that Mothin Ali mind, certainly not my favourite politician but credit where it's due. Him and his mates were out trying to stop things, takes some real balls that and shows sone real community spirit. Unfortunately they seemed to be fighting a losing battle against the mob of loons

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There's no deflection about it. It's a theory, I think a deeply flawed one that is creating greater divisions by emphasising our differences rather than what unites us. That's a perfect reasonable and sound conclusion. Others will have other conclusions.

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Of course there is

How on earth are you as a white bloke in Cardiff affected by critical race theory and its left wing supporters ?

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Yeah I thought that. Saw a video on twitter a short while ago of a guy setting fire to a bus casually being filmed, no face covering or anything.

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Critical race theory ....

There's videos of white people damaging property , throwing missiles

How does this fit in ?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well I think the policies you likely support are the ones creating community divisions, driving us apart, dividing us along racial lines etc. I think we've gone backwards in the last 20 years or so. That doesn't mean I think you are racist and xenophobic.

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The reason that's off-the-scale offensive James is that it's supposition, accusatory, ill-informed, implies that I support divisive policy that contributes to racism in the community and..and..and... I didn't raise Critical Race Theory. You did. I countered your view that it contributes to division when it doesn't, it's a theory that has been hijacked by those criticising any criticism of racism.

You were apoplectic last week about Trump and standing up for decency and banging on about divisive language and calling things out. And to be absolutely clear, if I call a post out for being racist or verging on supporting far-right, racist ideology, that doesn't automatically assume I'm accusing the poster of being racist.

It's just that, I've said many times, it's not really a good look to start talking about race, referring to race, referencing ethnicity etc in a forum where, sadly, we are predominantly within one demographic and do not have the views of others who are, perhaps, in a better position to comment. Or, that we need that input to make the discussion balanced and equal.

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Of course there is

How on earth are you as a white bloke in Cardiff affected by critical race theory and its left wing supporters ?

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Because I see growing racial divisions within the society I live in.

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Because I see growing racial divisions within the society I live in.

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Don't be silly

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

The reason that's off-the-scale offensive James is that it's supposition, accusatory, ill-informed, implies that I support divisive policy that contributes to racism in the community and..and..and... I didn't raise Critical Race Theory. You did. I countered your view that it contributes to division when it doesn't, it's a theory that has been hijacked by those criticising any criticism of racism.

You were apoplectic last week about Trump and standing up for decency and banging on about divisive language and calling things out. And to be absolutely clear, if I call a post out for being racist or verging on supporting far-right, racist ideology, that doesn't automatically assume I'm accusing the poster of being racist.

It's just that, I've said many times, it's not really a good look to start talking about race, referring to race, referencing ethnicity etc in a forum where, sadly, we are predominantly within one demographic and do not have the views of others who are, perhaps, in a better position to comment. Or, that we need that input to make the discussion balanced and equal.

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No, I'm the same. Im not saying you implicitly support it, but I think it's an unintended but inevitable consequence of policies that (based on what you have said) I would assume you support.

I think dividing society up on racial lines is deeply regressive and is and will cause problems particularly in terms of integration.

I wasn't "apoplectic" but yes, I think some people's reaction to political violence and an attempted assassination in which a totally innocent man died was shocking. There are certain things that should cross the political divide. It's also a stunningly self defeating reaction because if people make light of then so too will their political detractors in reverse.

Your last point there; you've assumed that belief or otherwise in any theory should be rooted in our skin colour or background. I profoundly disagree, yet it illustrates my point well.

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Hopefully a CCMB Labour Party spokesperson will be issuing a statement shortly.

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All the Tories' fault is the usual statement, even when it was Ely and Swansea.

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

just got in what's all this about ?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now <a href="https://twitter.com/WestYorksPolice?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WestYorksPol ice</a> have been forced to LEAVE once AGAIN as cars burn and missiles are thrown at their vehicles.<br>Lawless Leeds is burning. Britain is falling. <a href="https://t.co/k32GUpPfQs">pic.twitter.com/k32GUpPfQs</a></p>— Darren Grimes (@darrengrimes_) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1814036887843029432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Why not read the twitter feed and find out?

You weren't posting to find out what was happening, let's be honest. That would be obvious from a little snoop around twitter.