Saturday 17th August, ko 3:00pm
Match Officials:
Referee: MICHAEL SALISBURY
Assistants: Daniel Robathan and Constantine Hatzidakis
Fourth Official : Thomas Kirk
Game is not on Sky Sports + and we have a Premier League referee for this one.
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Saturday 17th August, ko 3:00pm
Match Officials:
Referee: MICHAEL SALISBURY
Assistants: Daniel Robathan and Constantine Hatzidakis
Fourth Official : Thomas Kirk
Game is not on Sky Sports + and we have a Premier League referee for this one.
Would like to see Goutas out for this game, wouldn't even be opposed to both him and Ng being dropped. They're stalwarts of a defence that haemorrhages goals, and cheap ones at that.
Robertson and Kanga should start if fit enough - in particular Robertson. We have to move away from this forced Ralls-Ramsey-Siopis nonsense.
Regardless of lineup, 3-0 Burnley.
I agree with you regarding the Ralls-Ramsey-Siopis midfield. I'm fairly confident that Robertson will come into the side Saturday, probably alongside Ramsey and Siopis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
I don't feel Kanga is fit enough yet.
I'd like Bulut to be bold (Bulut/bold?.... yeah, I know :hehe:) and reward Reindorf with a start. Other clubs take a gamble on promising young players, it's time we did.
I'd be more than happy if we gave Ng the day off and started Kpakio, just to see how it goes, we're early doors we can afford to do that sort of thing. Add on Giles or Bagan to that at LB as well so we can push O'Dowda up the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
I'd really have no issues with a nearly completely different defence from Southampton.
Probably right here, also agree with Reindorf. Anyone but Meite starting as centre forward, would rather Alnwick given a David James style run out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Kpakio would be a good shout. It's a bit of an odd one, because we're talking about dropping a player who has cleaned up all the end of season awards. However, as I've said before... football is all about the 'here and now' and I don't think we've looked strong at right back since the tail-end of last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
I would like to see O'Dowda moved further forward, but I'm not convinced by Bagan in the left-back slot.
no way I'd Reindorf going to start a championship match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
It'll be Meite with Kanga to come on most likely
Your opening sentence is a bit unclear. Did you mean there's no way you'd start Reindorf or did you mean to say there's no way you envisage Bulut starting him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
it was supposed to say - no way is Reindorf going to start a championship match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Predominantly meaning Bulut isn't going to start him, he didn't even start him against Bristol Rovers
He was right not to start him against Bristol Rovers. We needed to see what Kanga could offer, Reindorf was never going to get the nod before him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
However, having now witnessed the impact that both players had on the game, I would argue that Reindorf is the more likely of the two to trouble the Burnley defence.
Let's be honest, it's a game that few will expect us to get anything from. I think we need a roll of the dice.
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
No shame in Bulut being pragmatic about the likely result and throwing some of the younger boys out to see what they can do. Sink or swim.
This is how you unearth proper gems.
that's not going to happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
What’s up with this El Ghazi fella ?
Not fit or is he another sicknote ?
probably a month awayQuote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
He’ll be a new signing in the January window :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
I tend to agree with this . Reindorf was very active maybe he could be an option as time goes on and he gets a bit more experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Having watched Meite up close he is a unit , more skilful than I previously thought . He has to start scoring goals though.
Tanner was very poor against Sunderland , perhaps there were limited options for him to press forward , but he certainly didn't put himself on the line and attack their defense.
On Tuesday he switched wings and had Colwill alongside him , he was like a different player , even although it was League one opposition , its incredibly hard to defend against pace and quick movement at any level.
WIllock and Odowda (who were very good on Saturday )on the other side and we could be terrorising defenses ....
I live in hope ..
A month away from football fitness apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
It'll likely be the same lineup but Meite for Robinson
It was a little concerning that Robertson, the much vaunted "8" who drives the ball forward from deep, started Tuesday's game in that 10 role with 2 defensive midfielders behind him. Hopefully that was down to Turnbull's injury and not indicative of how Bulut wants to use him
And it shouldn't. Conte was like dynamite against Bristol Rovers over in Bristol , he wasn't so good on Tuesday night .Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
King has come back off loan in SPL to a great fanfare , he has a way to go as well.
Evans looked really bright when he came on .
It's great to see such a good crop of youngsters coming through, they have to be nurtured , baby steps to get the eventual rewards.
He's going out on loan yet again apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
I know we have 20mph limits but it shouldn't take him that long to get here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Is he better getting lots of game time anywhere or a bit part player here.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It's a difficult one.
The Kieron Evans situation is bizarre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
The last time he featured in a Championship game for City was way back in November 2021. Since then, he's had loan spells at Linfield, Torquay and Gateshead.
He was out of contract in the summer, but instead of releasing him the club gave him another year's contract with the option of another year on top of that. And now they're going to send him out on loan again according to Erol Bulut yesterday.
This guy will be 23 in December. What are City hoping is going to happen? I mean, it would be brilliant is Evans could somehow develop into a Championship player at this late stage, but what are the odds on that?
Eli King is 21, either push him into first team football regularly or ship him out. Same for most of these youngsters, this 'baby steps' mentality that the club and fans have is absolutely nonsense. How do you think other clubs raise wildly inflated fees for players? Bring them through young and hopefully they shine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
Slowly blooding them in times of injury crisis/ early rounds of the cup or repeatedly sending them on loan just indicates they aren't good enough.
It shows how low things are when we're talking up a young pro who came on against Bristol Rovers and showed quick feet and enthusiasm on two occasions, and we're talking of him starting against Burnley (And that's no criticism of you or anyone else)Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Throwing the kids in is like gambling with other people's money. Reindorf had a decent cameo against a league 1 side and now, despite being released by another championship team after making 0 appearances for them, is apparently ready to start against one of the favourites for promotion. Bearing in mind our number 9s have little support most of the time he's on a hiding to nothing.
He did a good bit of work out wide on the right, was semi put through on goal and for some mad reason he slowed up his run and in the end couldn't get his shot off. It's absolutely crazy to suggest that he should start. Is this where we're at, one game in and talking like the Burnley game is a free pass as we've got absolutely no chance. If that's the thinking then we're ****ed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Yeah, I was one of those that had an "absolutely crazy" suggestion that Reindorf should start. Let's stick with the tried and trusted Meite, he's sure to deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
You say that like i'm backing Meite or anyone else. This isn't taking sides, it shows how ****ing desperate things are that after one game we're talking about a player who did alright for 25 minutes against a shit Bristol Rovers outfit. That's no criticism of him. It's desperate, and we're only in Mid August.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
I understand your point. Surely we can take into account his performances in the U21s though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Maybe, I mean that's all they have to go on really, the U21 games. I can see him going out on loan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
I'm a bit surprised at the reaction Reindorf's been getting from fans, yes he closed players down and had some decent moments, but that's about it. In fact he lost the ball a fair few times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Indicative of how dire our striker options are I guess
I think we need to look at him from close quarters, not relying on reports from a club we've loaned him to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Sending him out on loan is much too premature, he's only just arrived at our club.
You said it better than i did :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
If someone watched that game having seen neither before I'm pretty certain near 100% would choose Reindorf over Kanga if both were up for a selection choice.
Some decent moments beats doing absolutely nothing.
There was one ball which was more than decent as well.
In the spirit of trying to be more positive and being a glass half-full kinda fan these days, I'd prefer to view it as it's only about 6 weeks after the Summer Solstice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
On another positive note I thought Kanga looked......tall.
You're losing me here. I said last season that it's not just about under-21 games for the youngsters, how they train when they're with the first team is important. The coaching staff can assess how they look against the senior players and judge a lot about their ability, strength, character etc. This was your reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
'You're right, what goes on during the week is imperative towards a young players development and inclusion. Thing is, as fans, we aren't seeing the character of these players, we don't see what they're like in certain situations on a training pitch, we don't see how they respond. We just look at a player in their position who isn't performing and ask why (Insert Name) isn't playing in front of them. Managers and coaches have to trust players as well, there are loads of factors that us as fans don't take into account or see (For obvious reasons) on a daily basis.
Young players are also in aposition where they have to prove themselves. All players have to go through it. People might think it's wrong, but they can't just be on the same level as the person in their position, they have to be better, like nearly all young players that break through, they were showing more. :thumbup:'
Now you're saying that the club can only go on under-21 games.
I'm with Hilts (and others) here, Reindorf did well the other night, I don't understand the negativity. You're saying it's 'f**king desperate' and 'we're f**ked' if we start him anytime soon but we've got Davies, Robinson and Etete injured and Kanga not fully fit yet. We play one up top, how many forwards should we be stocking up just in case? We are where we are for now. Hopefully Reindorf will be a bit closer to Mbappe for you guys if he gets another chance.
Is he talking about the club or the fans? I thought it was the latter, but maybe he’ll tell us in due course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
Sorry, yes. He said 'they' and I took it as the club rather than the fans, my mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Either way, I'm not sure what his point is. Reindorf was certainly more effective than Kanga on Tuesday. Obviously going 1-0 up gave him, Tanner, Evans and Colwill more space to work with but he took his chance to impress and the crowd responded to him. Meite hasn't impressed as a forward here and three other strikers are injured. I doubt Bulut will play Reindorf on Saturday but if he thinks that's the best option then so be it, I don't understand what Tuerto's getting so worked up about.
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Originally Posted by Loramski