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I’m at a loss having just watched that. No new manager bounce, defensively awful, 2 goals in 7 games, zero confidence, a fan base on the edge and an owner running the club into the ground with the assistance of his two yes men.
League 1 beckons but I’m not sure the rot will stop there.
To lighten the load ... a little.
https://youtu.be/Ad5T9UURNG0?si=2gUU3hRCMp-krwiZ
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I think the rot will stop there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
Ideally someone somewhere buys Tan Out.
But I think we've enough to make a decent go of it in L1.
You have more faith than me, lots of good teams and big clubs that have been down there for years. I look at the top few teams so far this season in that league and I don’t think we’d be competing with themQuote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I think there's a big gulf. Also I think we've some good young players.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
Who are the big clubs who have been down there for years?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
Charlton and Bolton perhaps, if they are indeed big clubs.
Most come back stronger from what I can see
Oh god does this start the are we a big club debate????Quote:
Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue
PompeyQuote:
Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue
Back stronger now?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
They’re in the Championship buttQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Is it down to the lake , I fear
Pompey had massive problems. Most big sides who stay down there have had massive issues that have kept them down there.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Charlton, Bolton, Pompey down there ages, Sunderland much longer than they hoped, Reading don’t look like coming back anytime soon, Bradford fell further and never recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue
It’s a graveyard of mismanaged clubs
Where do we go from here? We appoint a decent manager who knows how to get a tune out these under performing players. I am hoping that the board can do that, of course if they don't then it is fingers crossed that the players have some pride in themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
If that fails then its L1.
Down down deeper and down
Yeah there are only a handful of genuinely indisputable big clubs in the UK. We aren't one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
Apart from that it's much of a muchness and taking it in turns.
But they are a big club and were out of the Championship for at least 10 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue
I am saying that they are a big club in the lower leagues as were Sunderland, West Brom , Leeds etc when they were down thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Too early to tellQuote:
Originally Posted by Father Dougal
Wait till they play us
Sludge we have to get rid of the CEO at least. He’s never at the club, neglect and zero strategic planning is finally catching up with himQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
Time to call Big Sam. The number one priority is to avoid relegation.
We have, at the very best, a bunch of average players who are soft, underperforming and, for some bizarre reason have become a bit "precious".
They need sorting. Come to think of it, it all needs bloody sorting.
I think this goes beyond a Big Sam figure. I think this “team” can’t be helped right now.
Is it a culmination of bad moves by senior management? Is it finally catching up to us? Do I ask a lot of questions?
I dunno. But we’re going down and I’m very sad about it. Never in my lifetime did I think City would be Wales’ third best team.
1996.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole
City finished 22nd in the 4th Division (old money). Only Scarborough and Torquay were below them.
Halcyon days at Ninian.
look at oldhamQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
What do you class as stronger?Quote:
Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue
Most are loaded with crippling debt.
A decent manager would get us to safety by FebQuote:
Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole
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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
The whole division is littered with poor quality and mismanaged sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
A decent manager could get pretty much any championship club safe in this league.
We haven’t got a squad that was always destined for this level of points. It’s down to management and players playing far far below par.
I fear we are becoming a Blackpool or Rotherham type of club.
An emergency appointment to keep us up won’t fix the deep-rooted problems.
Sadly, neither would relegation.
Our destiny will be determined by how rapidly Tan shifts his approach or leaves. Nothing else will influence our long term prospects.
This is the way I see it. While we've had lots of not-very-good managers since Tan took over, the buck stops there and with the board he has appointed. It's a club being run by people he trusts with money, not people he trusts to make the right footballing decisions. The result has been years of terrible transfers that have cost a fortune that has not been close to being recovered when players leave (usually on frees), a merry-go-round of managers with their own ideas and styles, being expected to work on bargain buys with no idea of what we want to achieve in terms of playing style, while there's a desire to get back to the money pot of the Premier League but no idea how to get there, other than get lucky with a good manager. Tan has wasted a lot of money on his own stupidity.
I think we all agree that this situation hasn't just happened overnight. Until Tan learns how to run a football club properly, we'll keep being plunged into these problems. What if we somehow stay up this season, what will Tan have learned? Nothing. We'll be back in the same situation next season, unless we get very lucky.
Let's be frank, here. We're set for season after season of struggle at the foot of the table, with dwindling crowds, the way the club is run. Tan will not learn from his previous mistakes and will think, every season, we can make the playoffs. Every season, we'll fail. When Warnock took over, we at least had a decent enough squad, albeit badly managed by Trollope, that had come close to the playoffs the season before. Our current situation is unrecognisable from that.
At the moment we could get relegated this season, or hope for someone to save us this season, then get relegated next season, or the season afterwards. Sorry if that sounds grim, but anyone thinking that "as long as we can survive this season, we can push on next season" needs help. Yes, someone might save us this season, but Tan won't learn and we'll be plunged back into disaster with another shit managerial appointment next summer and the whole thing goes again.
I see us having 2 options:
1) Tan sells up
2) Tan learns how to run the club properly
Otherwise it's back to League 1 and the Football League trophy (whatever it's called) eventually. From there is anyone's guess.
Our players are shit. We absolutely do. I think a better manager will help, and would certainly have helped if we had a full preseason but this is a bad football team. There's no pace, there's no midfield, there's no goals and we are a complete disaster at the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
I think he's right, we're still actually only 4 points of safety (although I guess you could technically call that 5 with our abysmal GD)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I still think we'll stay up, as much as anything else there's absolutely zero belief in the team. We just need to scrape a win and I think things will pick up. Automatic is probably out of the question though
Last season Sheffield Wednesday looked doomed around this point. They were awful and I had them down as definate relegation fodder. When we played them early season I didn't see anything that would save them.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
What happened to them in the back end of the season was amazing and they avoided relegation somehow.
So I agree after 7 games things don't look good but with the right appointment there is plenty of time to turn things around
Great postQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
It still bewilders me that some people say he is a good owner
For as long as Tan acts like he thinks he’s a Director of Football the club will continue its decline.
The often used phrase is “he’s put a lot of money into the club” completely missing the point that he’s had no choice but to put a lot of money into the club precisely because it’s been run so badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
Down to League 1, I fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parti Mellow
That is an over statement. Some us realise that not everything Tan has done has been hapless. At the same time we also accept that there have been several decisions which frankly have fallen short.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub
It is not binary brilliant/useless it something in between.
If your point is Tan needs to improve on his weaknesses then I would estimate that nearly all the fanbase would agree with you including me
The problem being that one of his biggest weaknesses, a refusal to get footballing people on board to help sort out the mess, will eventually cause us a massive problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinianKnight
Is there not talk of advisers helping with the analytics and new Manager selection?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
It's still far from ideal but it would be a step in the right direction if true, this next appointment could steady the ship and keep us up or send us down potentially to Oblivian, this is a massively important decision.