who started the war in Ukraine?

Who started the war?

oops clicked the wrong one myself :facepalm:

Newport County

Leo fortune west

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

Leo fortune west

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Russia has been blaming the West for years

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Russia has been blaming the West for years

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Originally Posted by jeepster

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It’s a little bit ridiculous to suggest that there’s no back story to the Russian invasion.

Middle aged white men its obvious.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

It’s a little bit ridiculous to suggest that there’s no back story to the Russian invasion.

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Are you saying that Soviet Union should be an option?

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Originally Posted by lardy

Are you saying that Soviet Union should be an option?

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Can’t you read what I typed , or are you just being a dumb ass ?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

It’s a little bit ridiculous to suggest that there’s no back story to the Russian invasion.

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there's a back story to everything

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Originally Posted by Rjk

there's a back story to everything

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Yeh like WMD in IRAQ

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

It’s a little bit ridiculous to suggest that there’s no back story to the Russian invasion.

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You are the ridiculous one,read what my emoji was to.
Leo Fortune West was posted as an answer.

City fans blamed

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Russia has been blaming the West for years

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Very good :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jeepster

You are the ridiculous one,read what my emoji was to.
Leo Fortune West was posted as an answer.

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Who’s the other one who thinks Ukraine started the War? :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Who’s the other one who thinks Ukraine started the War? :facepalm:

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TWGL1

No 'other/neither' option?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

TWGL1

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I’ve no idea who started the war , but with Ukraine suffering unimaginable casualties it’s probably a good thing it’s hopefully about to end - surely we don’t want WW3 or are most people on here virtue signalling?

There's no question to who started it.

Russia started it.

Where there is scope for debate is why it started then and why is started there and what the war is really about and whether it could have been avoided etc. Those are fair questions. We all acknowledge there were causes for WW2 for example. But on who started it, there is no doubt.

But again, it all comes back to what happens if we don't seek peace. Are we all really prepared for it to go on and on and on? Or do we ramp things up, in which case what happens then?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

There's no question to who started it.

Russia started it.

Where there is scope for debate is why it started then and why is started there and what the war is really about and whether it could have been avoided etc. Those are fair questions. We all acknowledge there were causes for WW2 for example. But on who started it, there is no doubt.

But again, it all comes back to what happens if we don't seek peace. Are we all really prepared for it to go on and on and on? Or do we ramp things up, in which case what happens then?

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yes agree with all that

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Can’t you read what I typed , or are you just being a dumb ass ?

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Watch it lardy , watch it

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

There's no question to who started it.

Russia started it.

Where there is scope for debate is why it started then and why is started there and what the war is really about and whether it could have been avoided etc. Those are fair questions. We all acknowledge there were causes for WW2 for example. But on who started it, there is no doubt.

But again, it all comes back to what happens if we don't seek peace. Are we all really prepared for it to go on and on and on? Or do we ramp things up, in which case what happens then?

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Absolutely spot on JW

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I’ve no idea who started the war , but with Ukraine suffering unimaginable casualties it’s probably a good thing it’s hopefully about to end - surely we don’t want WW3 or are most people on here virtue signalling?

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The poll was badly constructed.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

TWGL1

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TWGL1 started the war ?

Christ

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

There's no question to who started it.

Russia started it.

Where there is scope for debate is why it started then and why is started there and what the war is really about and whether it could have been avoided etc. Those are fair questions. We all acknowledge there were causes for WW2 for example. But on who started it, there is no doubt.

But again, it all comes back to what happens if we don't seek peace. Are we all really prepared for it to go on and on and on? Or do we ramp things up, in which case what happens then?

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Regarding your comment about 'what happens if we don't seek peace'.

The word 'we' is rather nebulous in this context. UK, European nations and Ukraine seem to have been sidelined while the imbecilic Trump seems to swallow whole the propaganda from Russia.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Regarding your comment about 'what happens if we don't seek peace'.

The word 'we' is rather nebulous in this context. UK, European nations and Ukraine seem to have been sidelined while the imbecilic Trump seems to swallow whole the propaganda from Russia.

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I mean we as a global community. Everyone seems pretty confident that if the war ends then an emboldened Putin will invade Estonia or somewhere else, but we have to consider what might happen if it continues too, and not just the cost in terms of people's lives, which is certainly measured in the hundreds of thousands so far.

I think everyone is obsessed with Trump's involvement and probably overlooking the fact that every peace settlement ends in giving some concessions to people who definitely do not deserve it, in this case Putin. The war ends that way or it ends in destruction of one or both sides, which seems unlikely and also undesirable. But the alternative to trying for peace is what? Trump is president for four years. We can't change that and I think seeing what happens in this case is not entirely unreasonable and either way is the only option. What are we going to do? March on Whitehall demanding war? Not going to happen

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I mean we as a global community. Everyone seems pretty confident that if the war ends then an emboldened Putin will invade Estonia or somewhere else, but we have to consider what might happen if it continues too, and not just the cost in terms of people's lives, which is certainly measured in the hundreds of thousands so far.

I think everyone is obsessed with Trump's involvement and probably overlooking the fact that every peace settlement ends in giving some concessions to people who definitely do not deserve it, in this case Putin. The war ends that way or it ends in destruction of one or both sides, which seems unlikely and also undesirable. But the alternative to trying for peace is what? Trump is president for four years. We can't change that and I think seeing what happens in this case is not entirely unreasonable and either way is the only option. What are we going to do? March on Whitehall demanding war? Not going to happen

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I think you are missing the point entirely and went off at tangent.

After the US overthrew Yanukovych together with right wing ukrainian military forces in 2014

Which led to negotiations between the ethnic Russians in the east of Ukraine and this new regime in Kiev led to the Minsk II agreement

The Minsk II agreement was voted by the UN Security Council unanimously. It was signed by the government of Ukraine. It was guaranteed by Germany and France.

So why did the Minsk II treaty fail in 2015 ?

There s lots of interoperation of why depending who you believe but my guess is USA has alot to answer for

so many men and women gone from both sides what a waste of human life

The idea that Ukraine started this war is beyond mere misinformation - it is insanity. It all started with a so-called Russian military exercise near the Ukranian border in the north followed by an invasion force heading directly to Kiev, the city which was apparently going to surrender within 3 days.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

The idea that Ukraine started this war is beyond mere misinformation - it is insanity. It all started with a so-called Russian military exercise near the Ukranian border in the north followed by an invasion force heading directly to Kiev, the city which was apparently going to surrender within 3 days.

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When was this ?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

When was this ?

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at the start of the war

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

When was this ?

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Interesting that you have to ask this. As I said in another thread a lot of people seem to have forgotten how it all started. It was an obvious deception by Russia, pretending that it was just a military exercise!

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Interesting that you have to ask this. As I said in another thread a lot of people seem to have forgotten how it all started. It was an obvious deception by Russia, pretending that it was just a military exercise!

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If you can give me a date then perhaps I could oblige with a reply , if your talking as recently as 2022 when the war became newsworthy then you’re incorrect

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

After the US overthrew Yanukovych together with right wing ukrainian military forces in 2014

Which led to negotiations between the ethnic Russians in the east of Ukraine and this new regime in Kiev led to the Minsk II agreement

The Minsk II agreement was voted by the UN Security Council unanimously. It was signed by the government of Ukraine. It was guaranteed by Germany and France.

So why did the Minsk II treaty fail in 2015 ?

There s lots of interoperation of why depending who you believe but my guess is USA has alot to answer for

so many men and women gone from both sides what a waste of human life

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What a waste…for no reason at all really. Always something to do with the yanks meddling though….
How long before the CIA are forced to shut Trump up forever in the JFK way?

Land disputes never end.

This wasn't a difficult question by any means, and most people have been able to grasp that.

One day there wasn't a war and the next day there was a war - and what happened to change that status?

Russia invaded Ukraine.

I'm not asking about the geopolitical situation in the buildup to the war, just who started it.

It's very interesting at the mental gymnastics that some people are prepared to go in order to give Vladimir Putin - a brutal murderous dictator - a free pass over this. Like in some way their actions were inevitable