Latest Championship Relegation Odds

The prices with SkyBet this morning:

1/10 - Plymouth
8/13 - Luton
5/4 - Derby
13/8 - Cardiff
13/8 - Oxford
3/1 - Stoke
6/1 - Hull
22/1 - Portsmouth
28/1 - QPR
40/1 - Swansea
100/1 - Preston

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The prices with SkyBet this morning:

1/10 - Plymouth
8/13 - Luton
5/4 - Derby
13/8 - Cardiff
13/8 - Oxford
3/1 - Stoke
6/1 - Hull
22/1 - Portsmouth
28/1 - QPR
40/1 - Swansea
100/1 - Preston

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Spot on.

We are staying up say we are staying up!

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The prices with SkyBet this morning:

1/10 - Plymouth
8/13 - Luton
5/4 - Derby
13/8 - Cardiff
13/8 - Oxford
3/1 - Stoke
6/1 - Hull
22/1 - Portsmouth
28/1 - QPR
40/1 - Swansea
100/1 - Preston

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Basically how the table looks now but the other way around?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

We are staying up say we are staying up!

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Only if we start to win a few away games, can’t see us winning any at home what with form plus the atrocious home atmosphere must give well followed away teams a hell of a boost.

Let's see how Derby will fare this evening....

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Originally Posted by goats

Basically how the table looks now but the other way around?

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Not quite. Hull are a much bigger price than Oxford and Stoke, and yet they're a point behind both.

Hull are only one point in front of us, but they are 6/1 to go down while we're only 13/8.

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Originally Posted by goats

Only if we start to win a few away games, can’t see us winning any at home what with form plus the atrocious home atmosphere must give well followed away teams a hell of a boost.

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Portsmouth and Oxfords home records wout certainly support this.

as would ours unfortunately.

the Wednesday away fans were pretty loud once they got going on the second half

the Wednesday away fans were pretty loud once they got going on the second half[/QUOTE]

The City certainly knew how to wake them up from their funereal first half atmosphere.

QPR were well over 50/1 a few weeks ago, their odds will plummet on Saturday night if we win.

For me, it’s Plymouth us and Oxford for the drop.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Not quite. Hull are a much bigger price than Oxford and Stoke, and yet they're a point behind both.

Hull are only one point in front of us, but they are 6/1 to go down while we're only 13/8.

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Remaining fixtures assessed?

Not after tonight

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Let's see how Derby will fare this evening....

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Yes let’s.

we're kucfed, and the blame lies at the top with a crazy management setup.

I'm afraid that Derby will gain a lot of confidence from a 2-0 win tonight. It's a nail in our coffin. They have 5 of their remaining games against sides in the bottom half of the table. We're looking unlikely to get much out of our next few games I fear.

Latest SkyBet odds

Plymouth 1/10
Luton 4/7
Oxford 11/8
Cardiff 11/8
Derby 9/4
Stoke 11/4
Hull 11/2
Portsmouth 20/1
QPR 28/1

Only two teams in the Championship have won less than ten games - us and Plymouth.

Stating the obvious perhaps, but that's really poor.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Only two teams in the Championship have won less than ten games - us and Plymouth.

Stating the obvious perhaps, but that's really poor.

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This is a good squad that is underperforming though :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Let's see how Derby will fare this evening....

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Mmm. Looking bleak now.

I still just can't see us going down and havent felt we will all season.

I must admit though, being back in the relegation zone and with tough games coming I am feeling the least confident I have for a long time at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

This is a good squad that is underperforming though :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:

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If this was a bad squad it would still be underperforming.

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Originally Posted by Dave Blue

If this was a bad squad it would still be underperforming.

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No, it just means they're playing to their level. They're not very good, and we've seen that in each of the last 4 seasons.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

This is a good squad that is underperforming though

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I certainly don't think this is a good squad by Championship standards. However, I do believe the division is absolutely dreadful this season in terms of overall quality and I don't think City's squad is any worse than those at the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Millwall, Preston, QPR, Swansea, etc.

The biggest problem we have here is a poor management and coaching set-up, and consequently the team often looks disorganised and directionless. I've said from day one of his tenure that I don't believe Omer Riza should be anywhere near a management job in the Championship and I stand by that. The whole off-field set-up is a mess and the position the club finds itself in reflects that.

I genuinely believe the team has the potential to do a bit better. Not a lot better - this is not a good squad by any stretch of the imagination - but I don't think our side is any worse than some of those who are currently sitting comfortably clear of the relegation zone.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I certainly don't think this is a good squad by Championship standards. However, I do believe the division is absolutely dreadful this season in terms of overall quality and I don't think City's squad is any worse than those at the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Millwall, Preston, QPR, Swansea, etc.

The biggest problem we have here is a poor management and coaching set-up, and consequently the team often looks disorganised and directionless. I've said from day one of his tenure that I don't believe Omer Riza should be anywhere near a management job in the Championship and I stand by that. The whole off-field set-up is a mess and the position the club finds itself in reflects that.

I genuinely believe the team has the potential to do a bit better. Not a lot better - this is not a good squad by any stretch of the imagination - but I don't think our side is any worse than some of those who are currently sitting comfortably clear of the relegation zone.

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Rare but agreed :thumbup:

Except it should be quite a lot better.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I certainly don't think this is a good squad by Championship standards. However, I do believe the division is absolutely dreadful this season in terms of overall quality and I don't think City's squad is any worse than those at the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Millwall, Preston, QPR, Swansea, etc.

The biggest problem we have here is a poor management and coaching set-up, and consequently the team often looks disorganised and directionless. I've said from day one of his tenure that I don't believe Omer Riza should be anywhere near a management job in the Championship and I stand by that. The whole off-field set-up is a mess and the position the club finds itself in reflects that.

I genuinely believe the team has the potential to do a bit better. Not a lot better - this is not a good squad by any stretch of the imagination - but I don't think our side is any worse than some of those who are currently sitting comfortably clear of the relegation zone.

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I don't think there's anything much to choose between 3/4 of the squads in this division, ourself included.

A couple of lucky breaks here or there, a decent set piece coach, not having the disastrous start under Bulut, the ability to not shoot ourselves in the bollocks at least once a game -any of those things would mean the difference between our current position and being much further up the table.

The real problem we have now, is we are right in the midst of a relegation battle, with a coach that has never been here before, and just when you need the right words, the right tactics, and the reassurance for the players, we have Riza talking nonsense.

There is a nice run of good games to get out of trouble, do you think Riza will know what to do?

Nor do I.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I don't think there's anything much to choose between 3/4 of the squads in this division, ourself included.

A couple of lucky breaks here or there, a decent set piece coach, not having the disastrous start under Bulut, the ability to not shoot ourselves in the bollocks at least once a game -any of those things would mean the difference between our current position and being much further up the table.

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Three or four clean sheets and we stay up, but that never happens does it.

All to play for - the bottom 7 are all deep in the relegation scrap - with the 3 above them not completely safe yet if they had an implosion.

Think out of our 7 games left - 4 are definitely winnable - with 3 of those coming up imminently.

In the same period Hull have 3 harder games - if we can win a few and get a bit of a gap we may be ok.

our last two are WBA & Norwich who could still be in the mix, whereas Hulls last two are derby & Pompy who may have switched off by then....

Horvath

Ng - Fish - Bagan - O Dowda

Got to laugh at that GK and back 4 really in a bid to stay up.

Horvath - Shite
Ng - Shite
Fish - Ok but young and learning
Bagan - Has done ok but isn't a CB
O Dowda - Tries but is not a defender

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Originally Posted by Toadstool

Think out of our 7 games left - 4 are definitely winnable - with 3 of those coming up imminently.

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We've won 5 games in 25 and not won against Luton (H), Sheff Wed (H), Plymouth (A), Bristol City (H), Portsmouth (A), Oxford (A), Preston (H), QPR (H) in that time.

Where do you think the 4 wins from 7 are coming from as we've played and been comprehensively beaten by most of those teams in the reverse fixtures.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

just when you need the right words, the right tactics

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Having the right players who are good enough would be even more of an advantage.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Having the right players who are good enough would be even more of an advantage.

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Better than last year, but we keep conceding stupid goals, if he needs more protection for the defence so be it, do whatever it takes to stop conceding two goals a week.

I like him, he's a great bloke, but he is out of his depth, he doesn't know what to do

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I certainly don't think this is a good squad by Championship standards. However, I do believe the division is absolutely dreadful this season in terms of overall quality and I don't think City's squad is any worse than those at the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Millwall, Preston, QPR, Swansea, etc.

The biggest problem we have here is a poor management and coaching set-up, and consequently the team often looks disorganised and directionless. I've said from day one of his tenure that I don't believe Omer Riza should be anywhere near a management job in the Championship and I stand by that. The whole off-field set-up is a mess and the position the club finds itself in reflects that.

I genuinely believe the team has the potential to do a bit better. Not a lot better - this is not a good squad by any stretch of the imagination - but I don't think our side is any worse than some of those who are currently sitting comfortably clear of the relegation zone.

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I can’t see how anyone can disagree with this, it’s basically a statement of facts.

This is still in “our” hands but no-one trusts (or understands) “our”.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I certainly don't think this is a good squad by Championship standards. However, I do believe the division is absolutely dreadful this season in terms of overall quality and I don't think City's squad is any worse than those at the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Millwall, Preston, QPR, Swansea, etc.

The biggest problem we have here is a poor management and coaching set-up, and consequently the team often looks disorganised and directionless. I've said from day one of his tenure that I don't believe Omer Riza should be anywhere near a management job in the Championship and I stand by that. The whole off-field set-up is a mess and the position the club finds itself in reflects that.

I genuinely believe the team has the potential to do a bit better. Not a lot better - this is not a good squad by any stretch of the imagination - but I don't think our side is any worse than some of those who are currently sitting comfortably clear of the relegation zone.

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I think we have the worst back 4 and keeper in the league. We're complete hamstrung by the fact that we cannot defend. I don't think we can have aspirations for anything higher than a relegation battle when we cannot defend. I think we can get coached better but I do not believe we will pick up points when we concede the softest goals every single week. I don't rate either of the keepers, our full backs aren't full backs (Ng has decided to become a clown instead of a footballer) and our centre halves are dreadful. Bagan should be excused, as he's not let us down this season and that's impressive for a youngish lad in a car crash of a defence. Whoever ran the summer transfer window should be shown the door, rather than having puff pieces in WalesOnline

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

I think we have the worst back 4 and keeper in the league. We're complete hamstrung by the fact that we cannot defend. I don't think we can have aspirations for anything higher than a relegation battle when we cannot defend. I think we can get coached better but I do not believe we will pick up points when we concede the softest goals every single week. I don't rate either of the keepers, our full backs aren't full backs (Ng has decided to become a clown instead of a footballer) and our centre halves are dreadful. Bagan should be excused, as he's not let us down this season and that's impressive for a youngish lad in a car crash of a defence. Whoever ran the summer transfer window should be shown the door, rather than having puff pieces in WalesOnline

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Ng has been good since he came back into the side and is a good player at this level.

Bagan has done OK - H's never going to be a physically dominant centre back though, so he needs the right partner.

Fish has done pretty well after a shaky start.

Goutas and Daland have been error prone this season, also Chambers when he was at the back.

All of those 3 have some pedigree - and Goutas has played well in this league before, Chambers in the premier league.
They haven't all become bad players overnight - there must be something wrong with our defensive coaching / setup / mix of players.

they don't appear to be being asked to do anything which should be beyond them in the way we are trying to play so it's hard to understand what the issue is.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Ng has been good since he came back into the side and is a good player at this level.

Bagan has done OK - H's never going to be a physically dominant centre back though, so he needs the right partner.

Fish has done pretty well after a shaky start.

Goutas and Daland have been error prone this season, also Chambers when he was at the back.

All of those 3 have some pedigree - and Goutas has played well in this league before, Chambers in the premier league.
They haven't all become bad players overnight - there must be something wrong with our defensive coaching / setup / mix of players.

they don't appear to be being asked to do anything which should be beyond them in the way we are trying to play so it's hard to understand what the issue is.

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I can't see who is the leader at the back. Who does the talking and organising?

I don't see anything from Horvath, although Alnwick was fairly vocal.

Ng doesn't organise. He's gobby, but not in the sense of giving direction, spotting danger and helping fellow defenders.

Goutas, Daland and Chambers needed to concentrate on their own games to cut out mistakes - they were not (even when Chambers was at CB) leading by example.

Bagan is quiet. Fish is inexperienced and young. O'Dowda doesn't appear to organise or talk much.

There aren't too many leaders in other parts of the pitch either. Robbo and Ralls are - but they're too often in the treatment room.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Ng has been good since he came back into the side and is a good player at this level.

Bagan has done OK - H's never going to be a physically dominant centre back though, so he needs the right partner.

Fish has done pretty well after a shaky start.

Goutas and Daland have been error prone this season, also Chambers when he was at the back.

All of those 3 have some pedigree - and Goutas has played well in this league before, Chambers in the premier league.
They haven't all become bad players overnight - there must be something wrong with our defensive coaching / setup / mix of players.

they don't appear to be being asked to do anything which should be beyond them in the way we are trying to play so it's hard to understand what the issue is.

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Ng cost us against Wednesday by trying to con a free kick instead of putting it into the stand, they scored from the subsequent corner. He does this all the time. Fish didn't pick anyone up vs Wednesday and their free man scored. He lost his man vs Blackburn, and that man scored. Daland isn't just making mistakes, either, he's just not up to it. Chambers hasn't played regular football since we were last in the Premier League, that's 6 years ago. Goutas made mistakes last year, we conceded 70 goals last season. This hasn't happened overnight, we can't defend, this lot aren't very good and they've shown that for quite some time.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I can't see who is the leader at the back. Who does the talking and organising?

I don't see anything from Horvath, although Alnwick was fairly vocal.

Ng doesn't organise. He's gobby, but not in the sense of giving direction, spotting danger and helping fellow defenders.

Goutas, Daland and Chambers needed to concentrate on their own games to cut out mistakes - they were not (even when Chambers was at CB) leading by example.

Bagan is quiet. Fish is inexperienced and young. O'Dowda doesn't appear to organise or talk much.

There aren't too many leaders in other parts of the pitch either. Robbo and Ralls are - but they're too often in the treatment room.

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No i think that could be a big part of our problems