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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/n...ammed-31550605
£205m investment for Cardiff Airport slammed by Bristol but 'brilliant news for Wales'
Bristol Airport has issued a stinging criticism of Welsh Government plans to invest a further £205m into Cardiff Airport
Feck Bristol, we need a good airport and should try and use it over Bristol where commercially viable.
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Good, it needs to be backed.
They were starting to get it growing before, but then Covid happened at just the wrong time and absolutely hammered smaller airports.
Hopefully this investment can get it moving in the right direction again.
It needs to attract Low cost airlines with more routesQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Jet2 now operates from Bournemouth as an example, a few routes to the canaries and mainland Spain and Greece etc wouldn’t be a bad start.
If you’re going to attract people to use the airport there has to be options and facilities
Make parking as cheap as chips would be a good option to encourage more footfall
Canaries and the Caribbean would be good to keep it ticking over in the Winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by olderblue
Great news, Cardiff is always our choice if possible. Bristol is a piss poor airport, it can't cope. Every departure area is a sponsored walk away, no travelators like other airports, just a hike. Passport control on returning home is chaotic.
I just flew into Cardiff. It was dismal. Inside is not too bad. But from the outside, it's embarrassingly shoddy.
I don't care what it looks like, it needs more flightsQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Good news, I'll always use this airport if they fly to where I want to go. Years ago I went on a holiday to Florida with a direct flight from Cardiff to Sandford just outside of Orlando. Shame they can't attract more long hauls as Bristol can't moan about those as their runway is too short.
I've always felt it could be a back up airport. When Heathrow had that fire it was madness how many planes turned around mid atlantic and went back to America. Surely landing in Cardiff and ferrying the passengers a few hours up the M4 was better than their customers being stranded a few days. The planes then only needed a short hop to get them to Heathrow once things reopened.
I used the airport quite a bit last year and have used it again this year, it's OK and better than travelling to BRS IMO.
Given Bristol is a hub for short haul travel, I've never understood why Cardiff doesnt look to attract more long haul destinations
Very true as Bristol has a short runway and can’t take the bigger planes which Cardiff can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardiff Ultra
Mind you Swansea can take a Cessna:hehe:
Swansea can barely handle Airfix!!Quote:
Originally Posted by theclaw
Wasn't there an incident a few years ago, when an Air Canada Boeing 747 put its wing tip through the boarding gate at Cardiff International Airport?Quote:
Originally Posted by theclaw
You flew into Cardiff for the convenience, I presume?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
If you arrived safely, and on time, is the outside appearance an issue?
I’ve never really gazed at the exterior of an airport, it’s get inside as quick as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
They should have left the airport in Tremorfa, me & Splottie could have walked there :hehe:
I fly from Cardiff last month, the uber driver dropped me off at the bottom of the road with my case because he’d have to pay to drop me off closer to the terminal. This is ridiculous on so many levels but even more so considering how “busy” the airport is
What will they do with the money? They’ve already spunked that much, and for what? It’s worse than ever. They need to reduce landing fees, get a low cost airline in, get Qatar back and sort the rd out to the place……I won’t hold my breathe ehQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
A New York flight would be good save going to londonQuote:
Originally Posted by olderblue
A few year's back Qatar Airways were considering using Cardiff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cardiff Ultra
If they renew their interest, maybe we could have a new shirt / stadium sponsor.
Owner would be preferable :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
Bristol flight times are mostly 6 to 8 in the morning too, it's a right pain getting there on time for them and packed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I remember when Cardiff was a great-looking airport (for the time) and Bristol looked like a tin shed.
do you mean the airport or the City?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Cardiff airport has already shown its worth in fighting the zombie plague in \World war Z
Yes, its actually an investment that Welsh Gov have committed to that has very little negatives.
I use it 5 times a year on my jollies to benidorm and Tenerife. Save a fortune parking up for free outside the airport on the roundabout before you go into the airport
I've been wishing for a New York to Cardiff flight for over 30 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I flew in for the convenience, but the lack of flights means you lose out in other ways. I had a 4 1/2 layover in Dublin on the way back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
The outside is an issue because having to get off the and walk across the tarmac into the terminal does not exactly give a great first impression of Wales. I want the airport to look nice. Is that OK with you?
There was Newark to Bristol route I used to use a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
TBF, CWL is a bit tired and shit. Departures is miniscule, dowdy and full of people intent on downing lager at 5am. I don't think I've ever used a jet bridge there either. Don't get me started on the ridiculous drop off charges outside the terminal and non-existent transport links (a minibus to a train station with hourly trains through the Vale is unacceptable for even a tiny regional airport).
yeah the connecting flights to Dublin used to be better for the flights to the US, but they don't seem as regular now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I like going via Dublin as you go through US immigration during the layover anyway.
there was talk of having a us immigration in 5 UK airports as well, I'm not sure which they would be, seems unlikely it would be Cardiff, but would be a bit of a coup of they could get that.
When you said...."Inside is not too bad. But from the outside, it's embarrassingly shoddy." people could be forgiven for thinking you were talking about the aesthetics and not functionality. There was no mention of a lack of a jetway in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Big enough run way, take 20/30 mins off the flight…..winner…Will it ever happenQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Then Drakeford got involved with it and guess what……Quote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
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passenger numbers peaked in 2007 at over 2 million, then the owners of the airport didn't invest in the airport, lost carriers and were basically allowing it to fail.
If the Welsh government hadn't stepped in in 2013 it would probably have closed already.
between 2013 and 2020 the Welsh government actually achieved impressive growth, and if it wasn't for COVID it would probably be over 2 million passengers by now.
unfortunately COVID happened and the industry was badly affected, smaller airports disproportionately so.
so now they need to try to grow passe get numbers gradually until they can get it back up to 2 million or so and then they will be able to attract more carriers and it would make further investment easier to justify etc.
I get what you are saying, but they allowed it to fail after Covid. Bristol seems to have grown; and recoverd more quickly it looks to me that they took their eye off the ball. Drakeford's lot were too petrified during Covid, banning visitors, and all they did was remain in lockdown for longer than England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I get that you'd like to blame everything on Mark Drakeford, but no, Wales remaining in lockdown for 1 additional week in 2020 is not the reason that Bristol has bounced back more quickly than Cardiff airport post Covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Bristol had 10 million passengers last year - it is incomparable with Cardiff airport these days, and economies of scale are an enormous factor in enticing airlines to fly from there, which in turn attract more passengers.
Exactly they pushed ahead while Cardiff was basically mothballed due to the Welsh Plague that was going to kill everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Anyway, moving on they seem to be making a better go of it now, and ultimately we will all benefit if Cardiff has a half-decent Airport.
I was home last weekend, flew in to Bristol and out of Cardiff on Sunday at 11am, no bus or train to get to the airport, what a joke
This is great news in my opinion. Well done the Senedd 👍
And there's me thinking it was called COVID-19 and that it was a worldwide pathogen.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue