John Healey resigns as Defence Secretary Plan

Says that Governments Defence Investment Plan is well short of the investment needed

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Says that Governments Defence Investment Plan is well short of the investment needed

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The military and defence lobby also have to accept that times are tough

How far does this fear mongering have to stretch ?

Are we going to close hospitals and throw kids in care onto the streets to fund new rockets that are never going to be used ?

Surely if we have nuclear weapons pointed at Putin thats enough ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The military and defence lobby also have to accept that times are tough

How far does this fear mongering have to stretch ?

Are we going to close hospitals and throw kids in care onto the streets to fund new rockets that are never going to be used ?

Surely if we have nuclear weapons pointed at Putin thats enough ?

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Agree but we also need a few pointed at Trump

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Agree but we also need a few pointed at Trump

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That would be one of several options

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The military and defence lobby also have to accept that times are tough

How far does this fear mongering have to stretch ?

Are we going to close hospitals and throw kids in care onto the streets to fund new rockets that are never going to be used ?

Surely if we have nuclear weapons pointed at Putin thats enough ?

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the first priority of any government is the protection of its citizens. This is a clear failure on the part of the incumbent government.

however, Ukraine and Iran have shown that asymmetrical warfare is a very real thing, and that new forms of defence will need to be considered.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The military and defence lobby also have to accept that times are tough

How far does this fear mongering have to stretch ?

Are we going to close hospitals and throw kids in care onto the streets to fund new rockets that are never going to be used ?

Surely if we have nuclear weapons pointed at Putin thats enough ?

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Times are tough because of the people you and Rjk tactically voted into power!

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Agree but we also need a few pointed at Trump

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What's the first thing you think about when you wake up in the morning, does it begin with a T?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

What's the first thing you think about when you wake up in the morning, does it begin with a T?

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Yes Tea!

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Originally Posted by Feedback

the first priority of any government is the protection of its citizens. This is a clear failure on the part of the incumbent government.

however, Ukraine and Iran have shown that asymmetrical warfare is a very real thing, and that new forms of defence will need to be considered.

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And the care of the elderly , vulnerable

Its no good protecting the country from putin if millions of citizens starve to death

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Times are tough because of the people you and Rjk tactically voted into power!

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What within 2 years ?

You silly cnnt

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

And the care of the elderly , vulnerable

Its no good protecting the country from putin if millions of citizens starve to death

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I don't think John Healey was recommending that!!

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

I don't think John Healey was recommending that!!

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Its clear that there is running commentary to drastically cut welfare spending to fund defence

And when its suggested that if that occurs then surely it should be the biggest cost within the welfare budget ....pensions and the triple lock .....that should be slashed ..........the usual excuses come out

So there are two issues .......do we really need to spend all this money on defence ? Some big doubts about that

Can we fund the cost of defence through other means than the usual take it off those on universal credit etc etc

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Its clear that there is running commentary to drastically cut welfare spending to fund defence

And when its suggested that if that occurs then surely it should be the biggest cost within the welfare budget ....pensions and the triple lock .....that should be slashed ..........the usual excuses come out

So there are two issues .......do we really need to spend all this money on defence ? Some big doubts about that

Can we fund the cost of defence through other means than the usual take it off those on universal credit etc etc

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Why are you ignoring Red Ed's massive climate expenditure and the rush towards giant data centres that will consume huge amounts of energy.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Its clear that there is running commentary to drastically cut welfare spending to fund defence

And when its suggested that if that occurs then surely it should be the biggest cost within the welfare budget ....pensions and the triple lock .....that should be slashed ..........the usual excuses come out

So there are two issues .......do we really need to spend all this money on defence ? Some big doubts about that

Can we fund the cost of defence through other means than the usual take it off those on universal credit etc etc

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It's the old adage

Guns or Butter

The ideal of course is guns and butter....but that is very difficult to achieve sadly.

All perfectly normal.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

All perfectly normal.

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Morgs did say the ride to 2030 was going to be very bumpy before he left suddenly :-)

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

And the care of the elderly , vulnerable

Its no good protecting the country from putin if millions of citizens starve to death

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Just as it’s no good millions of citizens living in a utopia that Putin can just walk in and take over.
It’s a fine balance.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Morgs did say the ride to 2030 was going to be very bumpy before he left suddenly :-)

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I thought you were Mystic Meg (on a fence) not Organ Morgan. He was more Walter Mitty (in a bunker)!

Mind you, it was a double act of much unintended comedy.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Times are tough because of the people you and Rjk tactically voted into power!

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Very true , this is probably the worst government in living memory. I wonder who’s responsible for their decision making as the majority of their policies have ever made sense and there has been u turn after u turn.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird Karen

Very true , this is probably the worst government in living memory. I wonder who’s responsible for their decision making as the majority of their policies have ever made sense and there has been u turn after u turn.

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They apparently plan to produce their Defence Investment Plan tomorrow when all MP's will have gone home.

So no chance for a discussion in Parliament

I have just seen the Speakers reaction to this and the word incandescent springs to mind.

'Disgrace' and 'Appalling' are a couple of the words used

I saw him tell the Government off in the last parliament but I have never seen him so angry and upset before

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Why are you ignoring Red Ed's massive climate expenditure and the rush towards giant data centres that will consume huge amounts of energy.

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Well I am not going to disagree with that and its a positive from you

Well done

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Originally Posted by Bluebird Karen

Very true , this is probably the worst government in living memory. I wonder who’s responsible for their decision making as the majority of their policies have ever made sense and there has been u turn after u turn.

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How long is your living memory ?

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

All perfectly normal.

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You are deffo not normal

Yet don't ask anyone to pay more tax to protect ourselves, oh no that's out of the question, well just moan instead.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

How long is your living memory ?

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3 years?

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Originally Posted by Bluebird Karen

Very true , this is probably the worst government in living memory. I wonder who’s responsible for their decision making as the majority of their policies have ever made sense and there has been u turn after u turn.

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We’ve had basically the same policies in the UK for sixteen years - austerity introduced to allegedly pay for the financial havoc wrought by greedy bankers. More than a decade and a half later, it’s clear austerity hasn’t worked and all we’ve got is an uglier country where the gap between richest and poorest grows ever wider.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Yet don't ask anyone to pay more tax to protect ourselves, oh no that's out of the question, well just moan instead.

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Its all bollocks isnt it ?

Increase taxation towards defence spending ......and drop the ridulous scare story driven figures wanted by the army chiefs and tories ( who screwed up funding in the first place )

Look at cuts across the board in all departments to fund any increased spending





The triple lock is out of control if any spending needs slashing , big time .........







50 percent of welfare spending from DWP is on funding triple lock nonsense and other pensioner expenditure

Triple lock has cost 3 times more than was expected



PIP which aimed to replace Incapacity Benefit ....brought in by Maggie Thatcher ......was also brought in by the conservatives .....along with ESA ......these were supposed to make huge savings ...only 10 percent of those savings on the old benefits have happened

Its all very well stamping feet but the reality is very different from kemi badenoch mouthing off in the HOC ......

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

3 years?

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I was thinking Goldfish , swimming around

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I was thinking Goldfish , swimming around

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Bit longer than 3 years , how long have you not had a decent job, most of your “adult” life isn’t it?

I use the term adult loosely.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

And the care of the elderly , vulnerable

Its no good protecting the country from putin if millions of citizens starve to death

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You didn't mind the elderly freezing to death when your Labour party cut the heating allowance. If memory serves me right you said pensioners didn't need it.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird Karen

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Bit longer than 3 years , how long have you not had a decent job, most of your “adult” life isn’t it?

I use the term adult loosely.

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Ouch 🙂

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Originally Posted by Bluebird Karen

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Bit longer than 3 years , how long have you not had a decent job, most of your “adult” life isn’t it?

I use the term adult loosely.

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This is news to me

Are you still shaving your legs ?

You say its for cycling but I know you have secrets

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

You didn't mind the elderly freezing to death when your Labour party cut the heating allowance. If memory serves me right you said pensioners didn't need it.

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Your memory doesnt serve you right at all obviously

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Originally Posted by Bluebird Karen

Very true , this is probably the worst government in living memory. I wonder who’s responsible for their decision making as the majority of their policies have ever made sense and there has been u turn after u turn.

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They do make sense if you know what the agenda is.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

They do make sense if you know what the agenda is.

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Oh christ dont encourage him , he will be throwing out all sorts of crackpot conspiracy nonsense

Hes barking mad

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

We’ve had basically the same policies in the UK for sixteen years - austerity introduced to allegedly pay for the financial havoc wrought by greedy bankers. More than a decade and a half later, it’s clear austerity hasn’t worked and all we’ve got is an uglier country where the gap between richest and poorest grows ever wider.

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I don't think that we avarage oiks really have enough knowledge about finance to decide as to whether 'austerity' should have continued or have been relaxed. What do you think about the national debt now being at 100% of GDP, having risen threefold in 18 years?

It's all perfectly normal, nothing to see here.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

This is news to me

Are you still shaving your legs ?

You say its for cycling but I know you have secrets

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All females shave their legs , although each to their own of course.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I don't think that we avarage oiks really have enough knowledge about finance to decide as to whether 'austerity' should have continued or have been relaxed. What do you think about the national debt now being at 100% of GDP, having risen threefold in 18 years?

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I could tie you up in knots with this one , and your knowledge appears very limited indeed if this is your best reply.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

It's all perfectly normal, nothing to see here.

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Oh here we go

They are all in tonight !

Its happy hour at pete and bernis conspiracy theory steakhouse