FT: SUNDERLAND 2 - 1 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by MacAdder

I can't tell if you are being serious here or not.
I assume you aren't and that you mean you'd like to see us revert to the style that Sir Neil of Warnock played when he was here.
The style that made your eyes hurt.
You and a couple of others were the ones advocating a more possession based style where it was obvious that to play such a style is fraught with danger, especially without good players.
You will always find something to "use as a stick" to hammer everything that is Cardiff City and start crying when someone dates to call you out on it.

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I advocated a more possession based approach and still do, but I don’t get why that has to mean we have to take absurd goal kicks like the one that cost us a goal yesterday at a time when Sunderland had already carved the right side of our defence open. It’s the either or mentality again, whereby striking the happy medium between Warnockball at its worst on the one hand and Russell Martin possession for the sake of it are not allowed and there are the only two options available to you

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

This might be a controversial comment, but here goes anyway - a team that takes a goal kick long which just presents possession back to the opposition, who create an attack and score is just as bad as a defender giving the ball away when playing from the back. The end result is the same, poor use of possession leading to a goal being conceded.

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The obvious difference is the defending team will usually have a number of chances to contain their opponents and win the ball back if they concede possession from a long goal kick while most of their players are behind the ball.

That is not the case if possession is conceded either inside or just outside the penalty area following a short goal kick, as was demonstrated yesterday.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I advocated a more possession based approach and still do, but I don’t get why that has to mean we have to take absurd goal kicks like the one that cost us a goal yesterday at a time when Sunderland had already carved the right side of our defence open. It’s the either or mentality again, whereby striking the happy medium between Warnockball at its worst on the one hand and Russell Martin possession for the sake of it are not allowed and there are the only two options available to you

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Hear hear.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The obvious difference is the defending team will usually have a number of chances to contain their opponents and win the ball back if they concede possession from a long goal kick while most of their players are behind the ball.

That is not the case if possession is conceded either inside or just outside the penalty area following a short goal kick, as was demonstrated yesterday.

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The shocking starts to matches against Millwall, Pompey, Leeds and Burnley have made it easier for opposition managers to go for the 'jugular' from the off.

Sunderland knew what they had to do early on and it worked. Luton and Oxford will start with the same intent.

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Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird

The shocking starts to matches against Millwall, Pompey, Leeds and Burnley have made it easier for opposition managers to go for the 'jugular' from the off.

Sunderland knew what they had to do early on and it worked. Luton and Oxford will start with the same intent.

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Message to City players, you’re not Franz Beckenbauer, stop trying to play around at the back.

Row Z please

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Message to City players, you’re not Franz Beckenbauer, stop trying to play around at the back.

Row Z please

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I'm not opposed to passing it out from the back when it's appropriate, as you stretch the opposition up the pitch, leaving more gaps in between the lines.
however it's got to be done when it's on, and not when the opposition are pressing hard.

in the buildup to the first goal, Horvarth passes it to the right where the player is immediately pressured and has to give it back to Horvarth, then he tries it again to the right, there he pings it to Bagan who doesn't take a great first touch, so hes immediately under pressure and ends up giving the ball away.

the first time it came back to Horvarth I think he should have seen that it wasn't on and launched it up field.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'm not opposed to passing it out from the back when it's appropriate, as you stretch the opposition up the pitch, leaving more gaps in between the lines.
however it's got to be done when it's on, and not when the opposition are pressing hard.

in the buildup to the first goal, Horvarth passes it to the right where the player is immediately pressured and has to give it back to Horvarth, then he tries it again to the right, there he pings it to Bagan who doesn't take a great first touch, so hes immediately under pressure and ends up giving the ball away.

the first time it came back to Horvarth I think he should have seen that it wasn't on and launched it up field.

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The thing is with it, it's only 'On' when the opposition are playing high, otherwise it wont work as you can't get past that high block (makes myself feel sick) which opens up the space and allows for an overload (makes myself sick again) Teams that sit in (like we did against Villa) want you to play in their final third, crowd you out and pop one on the break (like we almost did once against Villa)

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The obvious difference is the defending team will usually have a number of chances to contain their opponents and win the ball back if they concede possession from a long goal kick while most of their players are behind the ball.

That is not the case if possession is conceded either inside or just outside the penalty area following a short goal kick, as was demonstrated yesterday.

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Correct we need to stay composed and avoid unnecessary pressure in the first ten minutes. Ease into the game and take time to assess whether the opposition will apply a high press—something most teams are likely to do, given that playing out from the back early on is our biggest vulnerability, and opponents are well aware of it.