FT: SHEFFIELD UNITED 2 - 0 CARDIFF CITY. Match thread

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Apart from Ashford, Alves (who isn't our player) and maybe Salech (not sure about him) none of thee players are on the up. Individually they could all do a job at championship level for a limited period of time, but most of them would be found out. A better manager may have us 17th, 18th in my opinion.

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Fish will have a half decent career. Bookmark this.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

The squad lacks leaders. Recruitment has been poor. The team lacks balance. Some of the so-called youngsters are greatly overrated. The management and coaching set-up is National League level at best. The team is disorganised and demoralised. But it’s way too simplistic to say the players simply aren’t good enough, just as it’s nonsense to claim they are all League One players.

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It is a simplistic point to make as you have stated, but I am reflecting when I go to my work, and I take pride in what I do to achieve the best result that I can for my organisation. I am not afraid to challenge the management in a constructure way (you have highlighted this area in lacking leadership – I would like to find out at when this age happens in football compared to a normal working environment!). So why aren't the players doing this? If they believe in their own abilities, they can change this on the pitch. Once they cross that line it is over to them. I am frustrated in what I am seeing, and it is nothing against you at all, this is what a message board is for opinions and different points of view, and I appreciate your honest response

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Fish will have a half decent career. Bookmark this.

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Maybe, i can remember when people were slating him, but i couldn't really see why.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Maybe, i can remember when people were slating him, but i couldn't really see why.

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As long as his career doesn't flounder, he'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Getting rid of Bulut a great decision !!!!
What an appalling team that has been assembled over the previous couple of years or so by an assembly of shit managers just shocking, our players incapable of receiving the ball and moving it on immediately, they all have stop and think about the next pass which is usually square or back if they aren't dispossessed of the ball in the meanwhile, the fans don't but these players and manager deserve relegation. Inc. the owner as well.

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Are the fans of any club ever to blame?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Fish will have a half decent career. Bookmark this.

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Perhaps but we spent over 1m on him and he's been at fault for so many goals. He's still streets ahead of Daland. One of the all time bad signings.

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Originally Posted by city1927

It is a simplistic point to make as you have stated, but I am reflecting when I go to my work, and I take pride in what I do to achieve the best result that I can for my organisation. I am not afraid to challenge the management in a constructure way (you have highlighted this area in lacking leadership – I would like to find out at when this age happens in football compared to a normal working environment!). So why aren't the players doing this? If they believe in their own abilities, they can change this on the pitch. Once they cross that line it is over to them. I am frustrated in what I am seeing, and it is nothing against you at all, this is what a message board is for opinions and different points of view, and I appreciate your honest response

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What I would say is cast your mind back to 2016/17, when the team had completely lost its way under Trollope’s management. That squad included the likes of Peltier, Morrison, Whittingham, Ralls, Pilkington, Gunnarsson, Zohore and Manga, but they were looking hopeless. Disorganised, demoralised and destined for relegation.

Warnock took over, brought in a couple of new faces and everything changed pretty quickly. My point is we can’t just say all these players are not good enough. Some of them undoubtedly are. But a team needs leadership, coaching and proper management. This side has none of those things.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Agree, no thought, they're losers, and it's showing. As is the manager.

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Remember Warnock saying he didn't like signing players from teams that had got relegated, as they were losers. We've got a team of them.

Works if you ignore Warnock's relegations :hehe:

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

What I would say is cast your mind back to 2016/17, when the team had completely lost its way under Trollope’s management. That squad included the likes of Peltier, Morrison, Whittingham, Ralls, Pilkington, Gunnarsson, Zohore and Manga, but they were looking hopeless. Disorganised, demoralised and destined for relegation.

Warnock took over, brought in a couple of new faces and everything changed pretty quickly. My point is we can’t just say all these players are not good enough. Some of them undoubtedly are. But a team needs leadership, coaching and proper management. This side has none of those things.

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Warnock signed Bamba and Hoilett, who were outstanding Championship players and added it to the spine of a side that had been promoted 4 seasons before.

We have three huge holes, our defenders can't defend, we've got no pace and apart from Salech and Robinson, nobody scores. Bamba and Hoilett make a hell of a difference.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Warnock signed Bamba and Hoilett, who were outstanding Championship players and added it to the spine of a side that had been promoted 4 seasons before.

We have three huge holes, our defenders can't defend, we've got no pace and apart from Salech and Robinson, nobody scores. Bamba and Hoilett make a hell of a difference.

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And he got a tune out of Zohore. Which i suppose could add weight to what TLG is saying in terms of management.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Warnock signed Bamba and Hoilett, who were outstanding Championship players and added it to the spine of a side that had been promoted 4 seasons before.

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I know. It’s almost as if all the players in a side struggling at the bottom of the table weren’t necessarily shit.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

And he got a tune out of Zohore. Which i suppose could add weight to what TLG is saying in terms of management.

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Neil Warnocks don't grow on trees, however. Whatever you think of him, he was unbelievable at this level.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I know. It’s almost as if all the players in a side struggling at the bottom of the table weren’t necessarily shit.

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Ours have been that shit for 4 seasons, though and there's no proof of them ever not being shit

Yeah there was a spine of a side there already.

Bennett and Noone were also there.

There were also a number of players who could battle and you'd want in a fight.

Ricky Lambert being written off helped as well.

This squad needs ripping apart and rebuilding completely.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Ours have been that shit for 4 seasons, though and there's no proof of them ever not being shit

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Yup, they can't back it up. Most of this team are on the slide. I'm sure that there are people at professional football clubs who will see the potential in our players, it'll be interesting to see how many are poached during the summer to play at a higher level, even if that's a mid ranking championship club.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Ours have been that shit for 4 seasons, though and there's no proof of them ever not being shit

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Today’s starting line-up contained three players who signed in the summer and three more who signed in January. Anyway, I’m out as the notion that ‘they’re all shit’ or ‘they’re all League One players’ is just daft and not worth arguing with.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Yup, they can't back it up. Most of this team are on the slide. I'm sure that there are people at professional football clubs who will see the potential in our players, it'll be interesting to see how many are poached during the summer to play at a higher level, even if that's a mid ranking championship club.

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Chambers hasn't played regularly for 6 seasons. Willock was poor under a good QPR manager last year. Daland has come from Belgium, Fish finished 8th in the SPL last year. Turnbull was surplus to requirements at Celtic (and looks every inch of the player their fans described). Horvath can't kick, Kanga couldn't be arsed, AEG's year off has finished him off (and he can't be bothered either), and then you've got the others like Meite, COD, Rino etc who at their peak were mid table Champ players, approaching the wrong side of 30.

It's been signed by a recruitment team led by agents and we've been taken for a ride. There's no way we should have spent anywhere near 15m on them, or have the 7th highest wage bill in the division and yet...

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Today’s starting line-up contained three players who signed in the summer and three more who signed in January. Anyway, I’m out as the notion that ‘they’re all shit’ or ‘they’re all League One players’ is just daft and not worth arguing with.

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There's no pace. Our centre halves can't defend, we've got a centre mid and a left winger at full back. There are some decent players but the balance is all wrong.

Our recruitment has been a joke, it fundamentally needs addressing as in the summer we barely addressed any needs.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Chambers hasn't played regularly for 6 seasons. Willock was poor under a good QPR manager last year. Daland has come from Belgium, Fish finished 8th in the SPL last year. Turnbull was surplus to requirements at Celtic (and looks every inch of the player their fans described). Horvath can't kick, Kanga couldn't be arsed, AEG's year off has finished him off (and he can't be bothered either), and then you've got the others like Meite, COD, Rino etc who at their peak were mid table Champ players, approaching the wrong side of 30.

It's been signed by a recruitment team led by agents and we've been taken for a ride. There's no way we should have spent anywhere near 15m on them, or have the 7th highest wage bill in the division and yet...

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Yup, too many of them on the slide.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Chambers hasn't played regularly for 6 seasons. Willock was poor under a good QPR manager last year. Daland has come from Belgium, Fish finished 8th in the SPL last year. Turnbull was surplus to requirements at Celtic (and looks every inch of the player their fans described). Horvath can't kick, Kanga couldn't be arsed, AEG's year off has finished him off (and he can't be bothered either), and then you've got the others like Meite, COD, Rino etc who at their peak were mid table Champ players, approaching the wrong side of 30.

It's been signed by a recruitment team led by agents and we've been taken for a ride. There's no way we should have spent anywhere near 15m on them, or have the 7th highest wage bill in the division and yet...

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Blimey I was just thinking we might still stay up until I read this.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Blimey I was just thinking we might still stay up until I read this.

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I think that we will stay up. Don't ask me why or how though.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Today’s starting line-up contained three players who signed in the summer and three more who signed in January. Anyway, I’m out as the notion that ‘they’re all shit’ or ‘they’re all League One players’ is just daft and not worth arguing with.

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They're not all shit or league 1 players, that i daft, they're just not very good individually, and even worse collectively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eQdoHsmoR4

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

They're not all shit or league 1 players, that i daft, they're just not very good individually, and even worse collectively.

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Most of them are League One, or worse, in terms of mental toughness based on what we’ve seen since August.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

What I would say is cast your mind back to 2016/17, when the team had completely lost its way under Trollope’s management. That squad included the likes of Peltier, Morrison, Whittingham, Ralls, Pilkington, Gunnarsson, Zohore and Manga, but they were looking hopeless. Disorganised, demoralised and destined for relegation.

Warnock took over, brought in a couple of new faces and everything changed pretty quickly. My point is we can’t just say all these players are not good enough. Some of them undoubtedly are. But a team needs leadership, coaching and proper management. This side has none of those things.

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Whittingham [young] Ralls, Pilkington and Gunnarson in midfield. Manga, Morrison and Peltier in the back 4, and Zohore up front. They may have been 'struggling' but those 8 are absolutely light years better than the garbage we have now.