I blame the greedy airlines for a lot of the delays, sacked everyone during covid and can’t get them to come back on worse terms. ****ing idiotic.
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Was the lying and cheating of the leave campaign the morally right thing to do? Was tricking the middle and working classes into voting for something that wouldn’t benefit them at all the morally right thing to do?
Can you give me a morally right benefit of brexit?
Can you tell me what happened to the moral decision to build all those hospitals with the money we were told would be saved. It said it on the side of that bus if your memory is a bit foggy.
What about being in a free market while being in a position to change the democratic deficit.
What democratic deficits made you vote leave?
What benefits do we now have thanks to being out of this organisation which were caused by the democratic deficit?
2 simple questions.
Both sides bent the truth, remain more so. Like when Cameron conjured up images of war in Europe lol. Scaremongering lies.
Or Obama tried to scare the British electorate by saying we'd be "at the back of the queue" for a trade deal. More lies.
You're on the side of Goldman Sach's and JP Morgan who were rabid remainers because it favours big business.
You're not much a fan of democracy are you? Didn't want the vote. Still contesting the result 3 years later.
We are at the back of a queue in a trade deal and there is a war in Europe :hehe:
Bent the truth be ****ed, leave flat out lied openly.
I’m on the side of remaining because it was good for the people of this country and it was good for our economy while allowing our country to affect the policy of the EU while having a lot more autonomy than most other countries in the group.
I didn’t want the vote because I knew why the billionaires wanted it and how they’d get what they wanted. You’re on the side of the oligarchs and the money launderers obviously.
What benefits of leaving have there been?
Two simple answers.
The EU is very protectionist. The UK are more free market orientated than the protectionist EU.
The democratic deficit is of lack of accessibility to the ordinary citizen, or lack of representation of the ordinary citizen, and lack of accountability of European Union institutions
This is wales bales isn’t it? :hehe: glad I didn’t vote the same way as someone with hitler in their username.
Give me an example of where we are more free market orientated and why it’s good for the normal citizen. How does this work when we are making concessions to get other trade deals?
I agree there is a lack of representation but that’s the same in our government too. I’ve never said the EU was perfect but we were 100% better off being in than out.
You could argue that the Ukraine conflict was, in part, caused by the EU ever expanding eastwards. Not respecting Russian interests and backing them into a corner risking nuclear war in the process.
We have democratic system and leave won. If you don't like democracy come out and say...I'm beginning to question it myself but not because of Brexit.
In what areas is the EU very protectionist?
The whole point is it's a free trade area, so anyone operating within that area is competing with all the other countries within that free trade area whether they like it or not.
In general the trade tariffs are very low as well for countries outside of the EU.
Yes the agriculture industry is supported, predominately to allow traditional less intensive farming methods to survive in the face of modern industrial mega farms
Even Carlos Coberan has resigned!
https://www.theguardian.com/football...eld-head-coach
Raab won’t be running for the leadership, so the field is down to forty nine :hehe:
When does the "you lost get on with it" approach run out? Because we voted to join the EU in 1975 and 41 years later leavers were still demanding to overturn that vote :sherlock:
undoubtedly we would have seen less austerity, but whether that impacts the economy overall is debatable. All you are doing is shifting who has the money to spend.
In respect of your latter point, whilst at a party level I would agree, I think its a bit more complicated vis a vis the electorate. The collapse of the red wall across the north of England is down to Brexit. Lifelong Labour voters switching party alignment simply because they did not really understand what Labour's position was.
Lifelong Labour voters who were taken in by Johnson, Farage and the Murdoch press. It was an exercise whereby huge swathes of the country were altered into Manchurian Candidates. The press even managed to distort the image of Jeremy Corbyn into a bogeyman contrary to the interest of the general populace. An amazing trick of mass brainwashing.
It's obvious getting rid of the cheaper EU Labour will increase employment and drive up wages,the first week long before inflation truck drivers were in demand and had huge rises.
Yes inflation could drive them up even further, but wage rises are supply and demand and we've decreased the labour supply.
It's not just cheap jobs it's every job!
I’m not arguing either from a party political point of view. Johnson won in 2019 with a promise of more Government spending, so there was a recognition at that time that the era of austerity had to end - opposition parties had been advocating this for a few years before that and I think it’s reasonable to believe that, for better or worse, the economic condition of the country would have pretty different if, say, a Labour/Lib Dem coalition had been in power from 2015.
As for Brexit, I agree that the bandwagon for some sort of realignment of our relationship with the EU might have become hard to resist if UKIP had been able to repeat their results of around a decade ago, but I think a non Conservative Government would have pursued a negotiated compromise as opposed to a yes/no vote.
Most vote tory because they say they'll lower taxes for higher earners and be carefull with the money, better for business and the economy.
Most vote Labour because they say they will tax the wealthy more, increase benefits and wages for the low paid and public industries and spend more on public services, but they can never say where the money is going to come from.
People voted New Labour because they said they would do most of both and because Tony was slick.
Once in they do what they can get away with!
That would mean people having to vote between the many different types of Brexit, which is rather out of line with the purpose of referendums, but hey so what? Just change the rules. And when you have the answer to that question have another referendum so anyone who voted for a losing choice in the first vote could then vote yes or no to the one that won the first vote. can say yes or no to the winner.
Then have another one to check if the answer you got for the first one was right. ( In other words was it the answer you wanted).
Then after you have negotiated a new treaty with the EU have a referendum so the people can vote on what they are actually going to get.
(And keep having them until you (The EU) get the answer they want, like they said they would keep doing with Eire when the population rejected the Euro.)