People blamed the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
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People blamed the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Ok interesting. Any examples?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
YUP!! :hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe::h ehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
After reading this thread, I know exactly where everybody gets their news from. Obviously everybody can't be right, so would anybody admit that they might have been brainwashed by their news source? :biggrin:
So Remain would win a second vote :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
We’ll probably never agree on this subject. I just feel if we are so tied into a massive body like the EU,, that in less than 50 yrs, it’s become impossible to leave deal free without us suffering a plague of locust and turning into a 3rd world country, how tied in and trapped will be in another 50yrs?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
The EU will not exist in another 50 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
She's gone haywire! I think we already knew that from the crazy dancing :hehe:
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Naw, I honestly don't think they would. Too many people are so pissed off with the politicians not doing what they were asked to do, (whether that was right or wrong) I think they'll vote leave just to 'teach them a lesson'.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Loving it!! you comment on people being brainwashed by their news sources and then post a news source. beautiful. I bow to your irony!!!!!! :hehe::hehe::hehe:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:hehe::heh e::hehe::hehe:hehe::hehe::hehe::hehe:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I’d say the powers that be are scared, scared that people are now much more aware of what they are voting for, hence I reckon it would be at least 65/35 to remain. Once fooled....twice.....Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
It's not "my" news source, many people are reporting a cabinet revolt. The source is the cabinet itself :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Look how’s that’s gone with Japan though. Why would it be any different with any other major trading partners?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Are you both saying propaganda doesn’t exist or doesn’t work?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
What does it matter what we're saying, it is just our opinion, and not necessarily the same opinion, and you will probably disagree with uy both anyway. I blame Brexit for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Do you not think an opinion can be wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Do you not think when dealing with something that could completely damage a country’s economy and make the poor poorer it might be better to deal with facts?
Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I disrespect your opinion or you either.
It’s worth noting that today it’s come out that the UK’s public spending is down to 38% one of the lowest in Europe. That’s worrying enough as it is and could get much worse after Brexit.
Because both India and China have been trying for a long long time to make it easier to get their citizens into this country. Irrespective of what people will think, both of these countries will be in a very strong position when negotiating a trade deal with the UK - we will be desperate for deals and for immigrants to work.
There’s nowt wrong with immigration, but for those who voted leave because of immigration are in for a rude awakening.
Edit - this post was meant to quote the why immigration with trade post.
What does it matter what we're saying, it is just our opinion, and not necessarily the same opinion, and you will probably disagree with uy both anyway. I blame Brexit for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Ok 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Doesn't this mean we are paying less tax? Like personal allowances increasing for example?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Of course I think an opinion can be wrong. that's a stupid question. I think your opinion is wrong for a start lol and you think mine is.
It’s not my opinion though, it’s the opinion of 90% or economists dealing with Brexit.
That’s the difference between having an opinion based on facts and projections and dreaming something up.
It’s not just to do with the increased personal allowance no.
So it is still someones opinion then. It cannot be fact as it hasn't happened yet although it may be based on very good scientific analysis of trends etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
The comment about allowances was just a reference to the government taking less of our earnings. Part of the reason they can do this is because with more people working the revenue is greater. But I don't wish to get into another argument, financial this time. :hehe:
You need to learn the difference between an opinion and a projection before discussing anything else.
Over 5 million now.
Still a very long way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swiss Peter
Unless it’s 51% of the entire population of the UK signed up I don’t understand why we’re giving it any oxygen.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
I’m a leave voter and I still believe it’s the right choice
But cannot give a reason why you think it’s the right choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
I don’t think it’s going to make a difference but they’re giving it oxygen because it’s now been signed by ~10% of the electorate.
In short, the uneducated xenephobes throughout the UK were given a chance to crawl out from under their rocks, and show their true colours.......they took it, with both hands.
I’m past caring now, they made their bed.
1 in 6 of the usual turn outQuote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
That’s a wonderful argument. Many levels above your usual contributions.Quote:
Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue
You what?Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
What about all my well informed posts regarding our phoney (English) captain of Wales?
You must have missed them.
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by G rangetown Blue
have you thought of starting a Uk Gov petition :thumbup: you might have to prove your reasons behind it, it seems to be a popular question on here :wales:
It's interesting that most of the people asking for a second referendum are Remainers. I presume they are making the assumption that the result will be different second time around - where is the evidence that this might be the case? Cameron's big mistake was not insisting that a minimum of a two-thirds majority would be required!
5.3m signatures now.
It would obviously be close and is therefore worth a second go at it for the remain stabd-point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
I think it’s probably more of an emotive thing though anyway. A sense of hope that people might be finally realising the shit they are getting into.
I feel like some leavers who got swept up in the tabloid push for a leave vote might not be bothered to vote thia time round. I know people like this.
I also know remainers who didn’t vote because they thought remain was a given.
I think his days are over anyway, my work is done! :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
It’s falling on deaf ears, deaf ears that have no doubt made secret deals to line their own pockets in trade deals already, hence the ridiculous flogging a dead horse deal already. Strange how a million can march in protest but no one seems to be marching in support of leaving? Is it because they are all to old to walk even?Quote:
Originally Posted by Swiss Peter
Yep, how badly done was it ffs...should have been more clear gap for victory either way. Had no faith in politicians before this, doubt anyone has any at all now. We might aswell go all the way and scrap the archaic shite 2 party system we do have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
From the Telegraph:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenith
“Truly, Brexit Derangement Syndrome has gone viral.
So far, an impressive list of characters has signed the petition. Jacob Rees-Mogg has given it his seal of approval over 8,000 times. Idi Amin, of all people, has signed it over 700 times. Journalist Julia Hartley-Brewer registered herself under the name “Remoaner McRemoanface”, seemingly without detection. One Leaver, Bruce Lawson, testing the online system’s limits, found that he could sign the petition on multiple email accounts. Others have set up automated systems to sign up over and over again.
Signatures have been pouring in from North Korea to Russia to the Vatican City. Clearly, the rest of the world feels Britain is making a huge mistake – they must do, if the Holy See, the leader of the ERG and a deceased Ugandan warlord are all united in their attempts to thwart Brexit. It emerges that the petition’s creator, one Margaret Georgiadou, had joked about killing the PM and shooting Brexiteers “with impunity” on her Facebook account. You couldn’t make it up.
All this tells us what we already knew – the petition isn’t worth the e-paper it’s written on.”
Jeez, the theories about this damn petition. Given that 16.1 million people voted to remain, is it so incredulous that 5 million of those might sign a petition (notwithstanding the hordes of people just 'testing' the system)? The question should be where are the other 11 million or are they content with how things are progressing?