Cardiff Council are killing the City.

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Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick

When I worked in our Cardiff office last week I was asked to bring in my lunch and avoid leaving the office unless it was really necessary.* It seems odd that they only requested this when you arrive at the office and not in the documentation they sent out ahead of time on returning to work, but it is a step to help I guess. In the London office there is no similar request.


* As is evident from this thread, I deemed going out to check on the status of the outdoor-parasol-road thing a necessity.

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It's an imperativeness. Fairly quiet this week when I've gone past mid afternoon (unlike Henry's which had 12 outdoor tables in use around 4.00 today) but last Sunday there were queues of 20 people for each section of the eating area, apparently it was like it all weekend.

Where I work is considering joining the scheme. Two managers were talking to a rep when I went in this morning but I'm not sure if we'll join up yet. I'll see if I can get Delmbox a replica kit if we do.

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Where I work is considering joining the scheme. Two managers were talking to a rep when I went in this morning but I'm not sure if we'll join up yet. I'll see if I can get Delmbox a replica kit if we do.

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Don't make promises you can't keep

I finished work a little earlier than usual this afternoon, so I took a stroll up Castle Street to see what was happening at about 3:00pm. Two things surprised me about the outdoor-parasol-road area: firstly, how many people were sat there, and secondly, how few appeared to have any kind of food in front of them.

Around half of the tables at the section closest to Queen Street were taken and maybe a third of the tables were full in the second part. That was certainly more than I expected. However, the only people I saw eating there were a young couple munching on boxes of noodles. A few other people had drinks of various descriptions in front of them, but nobody else had any food as far as I could see. One family of four appeared to be getting more than a little agitated with their situation. I'm guessing whatever they'd ordered was taking longer than they'd imagined to arrive.

Meanwhile, four of the twelve tables were taken outside Henry's this afternoon. There were a few people inside, but not many from what I could see. It's warm today, see butt, innit?

This is the Lone Gunman, Wales at Four Thirty, Cardiff.

Over and out.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I finished work a little earlier than usual this afternoon, so I took a stroll up Castle Street to see what was happening at about 3:00pm. Two things surprised me about the outdoor-parasol-road area: firstly, how many people were sat there, and secondly, how few appeared to have any kind of food in front of them.

Around half of the tables at the section closest to Queen Street were taken and maybe a third of the tables were full in the second part. That was certainly more than I expected. However, the only people I saw eating there were a young couple munching on boxes of noodles. A few other people had drinks of various descriptions in front of them, but nobody else had any food as far as I could see. One family of four appeared to be getting more than a little agitated with their situation. I'm guessing whatever they'd ordered was taking longer than they'd imagined to arrive.

Meanwhile, four of the twelve tables were taken outside Henry's this afternoon. There were a few people inside, but not many from what I could see. It's warm today, see butt, innit?

This is the Lone Gunman, Wales at Four Thirty, Cardiff.

Over and out.

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Sounds like the boys are having a tough day at the office but they'll stick together and work as a team and I'm confident that tomorrow food will be flying out. This was always going to be a tricky week when we're playing against the rain later on but it's a marathon not a sprint and I'm confident they'll give it their all

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Sounds like the boys are having a tough day at the office but they'll stick together and work as a team and I'm confident that tomorrow food will be flying out. This was always going to be a tricky week when we're playing against the rain later on but it's a marathon not a sprint and I'm confident they'll give it their all

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Only 3 tables being used in one section when I went past this afternoon. Disappointing to see TLG and Bluetit down there singing 'you're not busy any more', no need for that.

I gather it's not part of the half price meal deal that's running Monday-Wednesday through August (I assume their meals are classed as deliveries) which is really going to affect its trade on those days. Saying that, there wasn't a queue on either section on Saturday afternoon which surprised me as it had been busier than an Etien Velikonja book signing the weekend before. I haven't seen much customer feedback about it yet, I'd be interested to see an article if it exists.

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Originally Posted by Loramski

Only 3 tables being used in one section when I went past this afternoon. Disappointing to see TLG and BLUETIT down there singing 'you're not busy any more', no need for that.

I gather it's not part of the half price meal deal that's running Monday-Wednesday through August (I assume their meals are classed as deliveries) which is really going to affect its trade on those days. Saying that, there wasn't a queue on either section on Saturday afternoon which surprised me as it had been busier than an Etien Velikonja book signing the weekend before. I haven't seen much customer feedback about it yet, I'd be interested to see an article if it exists.

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Definitely not me, as my 27 bus-stop is to far away for me to struggle, in this heat, to WALK across our car free City. Now, if my bus stop was nearer, me and the Mrs, could order a turned up edges, Panini sandwich & cold coffee (we would have ordered hot coffee, but because of the 30 minute wait, it'll arrive iced).

It's not for me, I would prefer an integrated TRANSPORT SYSTEM, across our City and not having visitors to our great City, being at a loss, as to where they can find a connecting bus, which isn't almost a three quarters of a mile, from the station.

Hope everyone enjoys their turned up at the edges panini.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Definitely not me, as my 27 bus-stop is to far away for me to struggle, in this heat, to WALK across our car free City. Now, if my bus stop was nearer, me and the Mrs, could order a turned up edges, Panini sandwich & cold coffee (we would have ordered hot coffee, but because of the 30 minute wait, it'll arrive iced).

It's not for me, I would prefer an integrated TRANSPORT SYSTEM, across our City and not having visitors to our great City, being at a loss, as to where they can find a connecting bus, which isn't almost a three quarters of a mile, from the station.

Hope everyone enjoys their turned up at the edges panini.

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We will, thanks Bluetit!

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Definitely not me, as my 27 bus-stop is to far away for me to struggle, in this heat, to WALK across our car free City. Now, if my bus stop was nearer, me and the Mrs, could order a turned up edges, Panini sandwich & cold coffee (we would have ordered hot coffee, but because of the 30 minute wait, it'll arrive iced).

It's not for me, I would prefer an integrated TRANSPORT SYSTEM, across our City and not having visitors to our great City, being at a loss, as to where they can find a connecting bus, which isn't almost a three quarters of a mile, from the station.

Hope everyone enjoys their turned up at the edges panini.

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O+:hehe:

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Originally Posted by delmbox

We will, thanks Bluetit!

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You and the cat been there yet Delm?:-)

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Originally Posted by splott parker

You and the cat been there yet Delm?:-)

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Two cats! And no, every time I've been it's been full because it's a roaring success

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Two cats! And no, every time I've been it's been full because it's a roaring success

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https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...e-gws-wiz-serp

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Two cats! And no, every time I've been it's been full because it's a roaring success

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you've probably only been down there on sunny days when the expected number of tables occupied is high, let's see how it performs on a rainy day when the xTable is much lower.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

https://www.google.co.uk/search?clie...e-gws-wiz-serp

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ-LivK4-78

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Originally Posted by Rjk

you've probably only been down there on sunny days when the expected number of tables occupied is high, let's see how it performs on a rainy day when the xTable is much lower.

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People forget that Cardiff hasn't had the funds put into it compared to some of the bigger cities, a realistic aim for an outdoor eating area our size is to make the best of the big sunny days and try and snatch a full table or two on the wet ones

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Originally Posted by delmbox

People forget that Cardiff hasn't had the funds put into it compared to some of the bigger cities, a realistic aim for an outdoor eating area our size is to make the best of the big sunny days and try and snatch a full table or two on the wet ones

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Some people seem really hopeful that this scheme fails, it seems to be those who moan about most things that don't suit their preferences or lifestyle choices. Very odd. I also think that they hate the local authority and I'd put a couple of quid on the chance that they hate the Welsh government as well.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

you've probably only been down there on sunny days when the expected number of tables occupied is high, let's see how it performs on a rainy day when the xTable is much lower.

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Would you take your cats out to town in the rain?

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Originally Posted by Rjk

you've probably only been down there on sunny days when the expected number of tables occupied is high, let's see how it performs on a rainy day when the xTable is much lower.

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It's not going to perform as well when the weather is shit, that's obvious.

I'm not sure if Tuerto's been whooshed here or if he's in deep cover :hehe:

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Originally Posted by splott parker

Would you take your cats out to town in the rain?

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Cats wouldn't like the 10 minute walk across the city centre, they would rather an integrated transport system that sees all animals, not just of the feline persuasion, able to get across our wonderful city and also alleviate any confusion caused to visiting animals like Swift's, who have flown thousands of miles in order to enjoy our beautiful city and not cold coffee or a ****ing wonky panini.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I'm not sure if Tuerto's been whooshed here or if he's in deep cover :hehe:

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Probably whooshed, Is he on 'our side'

When you do that with restaurants like he said, and when you do things like that, like he said about Paninis, I tell you something, he went down in my estimations when he said that. I've stayed quiet, and I haven't resorted to that. You can tell him now, if he's still reading it, we're still feeding. And, he's got to go down to Cardiff and get something on Saturday, and I'd love it if he ate something, love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta41xU-tkFA

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Probably whooshed, Is he on 'our side'

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I think so, but regardless of that he's definitely on the side of talking about the outside eating area in football terms, which whooshed you completely :hehe:

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I think so, but regardless of that he's definitely on the side of talking about the outside eating area in football terms, which whooshed you completely :hehe:

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"Obviously"

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Some people seem really hopeful that this scheme fails......

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What would constitute success for this venture? And what would failure look like?

Sitting on uncomfortable chairs in the middle of a city on a day when temperatures have hit nearly hit 30 degrees


Next to people who are so desperate for a drink they are clearly alcoholics

On the next table two parents arguing as their kids scoff food

If someone enjoys that sort of thing they need a psychiatrist

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

What would constitute success for this venture? And what would failure look like?

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I suppose it should be objective as opposed to subjective, as it seems to be for some people, which i can understand to a certain degree. I do get the impression that those who think that it was a bad idea would be quite pleased if there were low turn out, poor service, maybe a bit of bother etc in order to reinforce their views on the council and wider political thoughts. That's just my opinion though-obviously.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Sitting on uncomfortable chairs in the middle of a city on a day when temperatures have hit nearly hit 30 degrees


Next to people who are so desperate for a drink they are clearly alcoholics

On the next table two parents arguing as their kids scoff food

If someone enjoys that sort of thing they need a psychiatrist

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That's probably exactly what's going on-better not do anything just in case somebody drinks to much or the kids play up.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

What would constitute success for this venture? And what would failure look like?

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loads of people getting pissed up in the summer sun , few rucks , old bill van , thats from 4pm onwards

Before that people getting pissed up in the summer sun , few rucks , old bill , fat families scoffing overpriced junk food

Failure.........nobody bothering once this hot spell ends

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

That's probably exactly what's going on-better not do anything just in case somebody drinks to much or the kids play up.

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people are unable to control their drinking

Kids always play up and parents always argue

British people in hot weather , The Fall

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

loads of people getting pissed up in the summer sun , few rucks , old bill van , thats from 4pm onwards

Before that people getting pissed up in the summer sun , few rucks , old bill , fat families scoffing overpriced junk food

Failure.........nobody bothering once this hot spell ends

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Best not do anything then, lets legislate for people who can't behave or those who feel put out, better not try anything is the best policy as someone, somewhere isn't going to be happy and people might act like arseholes :hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

people are unable to control their drinking

Kids always play up and parents always argue

British people in hot weather , The Fall

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I can control my drinking and my kids were pretty well behaved when they were little, same as a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I can control my drinking and my kids were pretty well behaved when they were little, same as a lot of people.

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its a fecking nightmare on places like mill Lane in the summer

The thought of being near anyone drinking or parents with kids in tow in the summer is my idea of hell

People drinking become so bloody loud and kids screaming or moaning about their food does my head in

Before the lock down I took a lucky lady to a local place for a bite to eat . The table next to us were a family and the owners of the bar brought along a high chair so the baby was continually crying and the other two kids moaning .

Have a special room for parents with kids , I was on a promise

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Sitting on uncomfortable chairs in the middle of a city on a day when temperatures have hit nearly hit 30 degrees


Next to people who are so desperate for a drink they are clearly alcoholics

On the next table two parents arguing as their kids scoff food

If someone enjoys that sort of thing they need a psychiatrist

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You could have sat in the shade, on a slightly cooler day, next to the table with the Dutch women’s hockey team. Not sure why you chose that other table.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

its a fecking nightmare on places like mill Lane in the summer

The thought of being near anyone drinking or parents with kids in tow in the summer is my idea of hell

People drinking become so bloody loud and kids screaming or moaning about their food does my head in

Before the lock down I took a lucky lady to a local place for a bite to eat . The table next to us were a family and the owners of the bar brought along a high chair so the baby was continually crying and the other two kids moaning .

Have a special room for parents with kids , I was on a promise

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Mill lane does attract a fair few piss heads, i'll give you that. Culturally, South Wales isn't particularly geared towards alcohol and hot days, that's fair to say. Lots of reasons why, many of them probably a bit to deep to get into.

This other place doesn't seem to be geared that way. It isn't about middle aged drunks, it seems to be a reaction to the circumstances we find ourselves in and more about families from what i can gather. There are time slots and allocations, not the perfect environment for our resident drunks.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Some people seem really hopeful that this scheme fails, it seems to be those who moan about most things that don't suit their preferences or lifestyle choices. Very odd. I also think that they hate the local authority and I'd put a couple of quid on the chance that they hate the Welsh government as well.

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I’m not against having such an area, I think it’s a fine idea as a permanent thing, I Just object to the location and what that does to the public transport and the normal flow of traffic around and through the city.

If they had put one in st Mary St and one in the Hayes they could stay there for ever for me, and there would probably then be enough seats for anyone to grab food from any city outlet and sit down and watch the world go by instead of being forced to buy food from outlets that have “signed up”
As it is it is badly thought out and badly executed and I am convinced that certain elements of the council were more concerned with closing that street than making a nice area for pedestrians.
With the grass outside outside the castle, St Mary Street the Hayes there is more than enough room to do what has been done and more. If ordinary people can see that why can’t the councillors who are paid an awful lot of money in expenses to take care of our lovely city?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I’m not against having such an area, I think it’s a fine idea as a permanent thing, I Just object to the location and what that does to the public transport and the normal flow of traffic around and through the city.

If they had put one in st Mary St and one in the Hayes they could stay there for ever for me, and there would probably then be enough seats for anyone to grab food from any city outlet and sit down and watch the world go by instead of being forced to buy food from outlets that have “signed up”
As it is it is badly thought out and badly executed and I am convinced that certain elements of the council were more concerned with closing that street than making a nice area for pedestrians.
With the grass outside outside the castle, St Mary Street the Hayes there is more than enough room to do what has been done and more. If ordinary people can see that why can’t the councillors who are paid an awful lot of money in expenses to take care of our lovely city?

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It would be interesting to see how many official complaints this scheme has had. And have the local press been on it? Apart from that. fair enough, you make fair points in my opinion and you haven't belittled anyone while doing so, not like Bluetit who seems to think that a panini should only end up in a sticker book.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

It would be interesting to see how many official complaints this scheme has had. And have the local press been on it? Apart from that. fair enough, you make fair points in my opinion and you haven't belittled anyone while doing so, not like Bluetit who seems to think that a panini should only end up in a STICKER BOOK..

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With the corners turned up :hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

With the corners turned up :hehe::hehe:

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:thumbup: I'm surprised you didn't get involved with the geography thread, i bet you could name a pub for every ground visited, probably know the landlords name.... :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

:thumbup: I'm surprised you didn't get involved with the geography thread, i bet you could name a pub for every ground visited, probably know the landlords name.... :hehe:

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Right! Where would you like to start? :hehe: