England’s first ever red warning for extreme heat on Monday and Tuesday.

The funding of peer reviewed studies is peer reviewed to ensure the neutrality of the reports, followed by separate independent reviews of everything produced for it. Everything is fully referenced and can be traced so it can all be taken to first principals and be reviewed by anyone else.

If you were really interested you could pick up a study and fully check yourself that it was as neutral as possible.

It’s all completely separate for industry produced studies and much more independent.

The fact you just said this shows you have no real grasp of how science and analysis works.

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From the links you provided. It's not 99% of scientists but 99% of those funded to do peer reviewed papers.
Radio 4 today reported that the majority of scientists agree that climate change is man made. I wonder why they didn't use the 99%?

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No one of note is producing unpeer reviewed documents because it doesn’t make any sense for a scientific perspective.

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In the States when climate alarmist Al Gore was vice president the cornerstone of Gore’s strategy was to ensure that all high-ranking government officials who had any involvement with funding policies relating to climate change were in line with his vision. These agencies included the Department of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency, National Science Foundation, Department of Education, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

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That's great, so we've covered the USA in the 1990s. Do you think the Trump White House was also doing the same? If not, that's four years when the peer reviewed research was racking up. Fancy another swing at it?


As rudy says above, I'm not sure you grasp what peer reviewed means.

"It's not 99% of scientists but 99% of those funded to do peer reviewed papers. "

Nobody is funded to do a peer reviewed paper. Research is funded, and then if it is to be published in a respected journal, it is peer reviewed.

Your argument is like saying "sure, Usain Bolt has the fastest 100m times, but that's because you're only including the times in official meets with electronic timing. How about all the races done by one person visually with a hand stopwatch?"


I'm sure peer reviews are not perfect, but we're talking about thousands of studies all around the world where they have almost all come to the same conclusion. It's as indisputable as you can get, it'd be impossible to fraudulently get all those studies on this scale without any evidence of the fraud coming out.

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A fifty fifty chance that temperatures could rise to40 degrees in parts of England early next week - thankfully, the warning doesn’t apply to Wales.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...land-next-week

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I've noticed most of the people moaning about it on the news were pretty fat, probably that has something to do with the overreaction, as people are getting fatter they can't get their temperature down so easily, is that why hot temperatures have become more of any issue, this will only be for two days?

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I've noticed most of the people moaning about it on the news were pretty fat, probably that has something to do with the overreaction, as people are getting fatter they can't get their temperature down so easily, is that why hot temperatures have become more of any issue, this will only be for two days?

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size-ist!! Reported. :hehe:

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I've noticed most of the people moaning about it on the news were pretty fat, probably that has something to do with the overreaction, as people are getting fatter they can't get their temperature down so easily, is that why hot temperatures have become more of any issue, this will only be for two days?

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Has there been an over-reaction?

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My bet is that it won't be anywhere near as hot as predicted.

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How's the bet going?

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I've noticed most of the people moaning about it on the news were pretty fat, probably that has something to do with the overreaction, as people are getting fatter they can't get their temperature down so easily, is that why hot temperatures have become more of any issue, this will only be for two days?

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I see what you mean they can't run fast enough to dodge the sun. Makes sense I've never seen Usain Bolt sunburnt.

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I've noticed most of the people moaning about it on the news were pretty fat, probably that has something to do with the overreaction, as people are getting fatter they can't get their temperature down so easily, is that why hot temperatures have become more of any issue, this will only be for two days?

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is there an overreaction?
all they've said if that people should take precautions, which is fair enough isn't it, seeing as people will die from this heat?

The minimum overnight temperature (25.9) in Emley Moor in Yorkshire was two degrees above anything recorded in this country before - that’s hardly “normal” is it? Apparently, there were three other places, including one in Wales, that beat the old record.

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The minimum overnight temperature (25.9) in Emley Moor in Yorkshire was two degrees above anything recorded in this country before - that’s hardly “normal” is it? Apparently, there were three other places, including one in Wales, that beat the old record.

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Please strive for at least some semblance of accuracy and detail:

The UK provisionally had its hottest minimum temperature on record last night, with Kenley in Surrey never falling below 25.8C, the Met Office says.

This represents an increase of nearly 2C on the previous highest minimum daily temperature of 23.9C.

The Welsh record has also been broken, with Aberporth never falling below 24.5C last night.

We previously reported a high of 25.9C in Yorkshire as a provisional figure, but are currently waiting for confirmation of that.

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Please strive for at least some semblance of accuracy and detail:

The UK provisionally had its hottest minimum temperature on record last night, with Kenley in Surrey never falling below 25.8C, the Met Office says.

This represents an increase of nearly 2C on the previous highest minimum daily temperature of 23.9C.

The Welsh record has also been broken, with Aberporth never falling below 24.5C last night.

We previously reported a high of 25.9C in Yorkshire as a provisional figure, but are currently waiting for confirmation of that.

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How's the bet going?

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Not to good 39.1 in Surrey.

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Five days out of a British summer with temperatures over 30 degrees is not a catastrophic heatwave, as a number of main media outlets have been declaring. It is quite common to have at least a few days over 30 degrees anyway, most years. How can you have an average high temperature anyway - doesn't make sense. Normal daily summer temperatures in the UK are in the 21-23 degrees range.

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You don't know how averages work?

Also, it's going to be catastrophic for someone. I guarantee it.

Clearly in this thread there any many who no matter the amount of hard evidence their lead infested brains which have had 30+ years of a daily mail diet will never ever change their minds on this.

Why is it if you ask for someone's views on climate change if they don't believe it you know instantly that they're tory voting brexiters. Again there's a huge link between education and all of these factors.

Go ahead and cry that I'm being patronising, snowflakes.

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Clearly in this thread there any many who no matter the amount of hard evidence their lead infested brains which have had 30+ years of a daily mail diet will never ever change their minds on this.

Why is it if you ask for someone's views on climate change if they don't believe it you know instantly that they're tory voting brexiters. Again there's a huge link between education and all of these factors.

Go ahead and cry that I'm being patronising, snowflakes.

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You aren't patronising, you just sound like a complete arse. And for once, I agree with you on the wider topic, but it's ironic that you ask people to follow the science (correctly) and then make a series of insulting, tiresome and inaccurate tropes that completely undo your argument.

40.2 degrees recorded at Heathrow.

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40.2 degrees recorded at Heathrow.

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Oh dear someone's lost their bet; shall we organise a whipround?

The BBC weather page predicted 41c for Sheffield yesterday and 43c today. It was actually 36c yesterday and today it says a high of 38c. (I know this, as I am off to the peak district next week so I've been checking religiously.

It doesn't change the broader debate (that climate change is largely man made) to acknowledge that the reality on this occasion didn't quite reach the predictions in most of the country.

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The BBC weather page predicted 41c for Sheffield yesterday and 43c today. It was actually 36c yesterday and today it says a high of 38c. (I know this, as I am off to the peak district next week so I've been checking religiously.

It doesn't change the broader debate (that climate change is largely man made) to acknowledge that the reality on this occasion didn't quite reach the predictions in most of the country.

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there were different predictions from different sources, and of course people can choose to present their data in different ways. i.e. do you show the most likely temperature, or the highest temperature it could realistically get to. there will be a range of probabilities and it's about conveying the most useful information from that in a way the general public will understand.
the main predictions were that we could see record temperatures, and we could see temperatures in excess of 40 c , and both of those have happened.

I never thought I'd see 40 degrees in this country

We are enjoying some precipitation in the Vale of Taunton right now - and I'm enjoying the petrichor.

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You aren't patronising, you just sound like a complete arse. And for once, I agree with you on the wider topic, but it's ironic that you ask people to follow the science (correctly) and then make a series of insulting, tiresome and inaccurate tropes that completely undo your argument.

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He's not wrong though is he...

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We are enjoying some precipitation in the Vale of Taunton right now - and I'm enjoying the petrichor.

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Same here in Tynewydd with those big heavy rain drops which usually mean a downpour is imminent - no sign of it yet, but it’s gone so sultry.

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Same here in Tynewydd with those big heavy rain drops which usually mean a downpour is imminent - no sign of it yet, but it’s gone so sultry.

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Rain and thunder in Cardiff

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You aren't patronising, you just sound like a complete arse. And for once, I agree with you on the wider topic, but it's ironic that you ask people to follow the science (correctly) and then make a series of insulting, tiresome and inaccurate tropes that completely undo your argument.

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Irony

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40.2 degrees recorded at Heathrow.

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Somewhere between 39-40 degrees in east london

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The BBC weather page predicted 41c for Sheffield yesterday and 43c today. It was actually 36c yesterday and today it says a high of 38c. (I know this, as I am off to the peak district next week so I've been checking religiously.

It doesn't change the broader debate (that climate change is largely man made) to acknowledge that the reality on this occasion didn't quite reach the predictions in most of the country.

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I don't think that is correct. Disclaimer is that any of these completely computer generated forecasts are subject to a few wild predictions now and then hence the random Sheffield one. I have been following this across a few sites for a good 10 days now, I haven't seen anything that high on any forecast and certainly not for somewhere as far north as Sheffield. Most sites have been able to forecast this pretty much spot on give or take a little margin of error which is quite impressive considering how far out they sometimes are.

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Irony

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Not really though is it. Look at what he read.

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He's not wrong though is he...

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Yes, he is.

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I don't think that is correct. Disclaimer is that any of these completely computer generated forecasts are subject to a few wild predictions now and then hence the random Sheffield one. I have been following this across a few sites for a good 10 days now, I haven't seen anything that high on any forecast and certainly not for somewhere as far north as Sheffield. Most sites have been able to forecast this pretty much spot on give or take a little margin of error which is quite impressive considering how far out they sometimes are.

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I've always said Derek Brockway is the man, and handily he has a screenshot of the 41c predicted for Sheffield yesterday. I think it was on sunday that they also predicted 43c for today

https://twitter.com/DerekTheWeather/...sible-24520665

The actual high in Sheffield was 36c at 5pm -5c below what they predicted.

Again, thats extremely hot, but like I said, it's possible that the predictions were slightly inflated, without questioning the whole premise of man made climate change

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...ions/gcqzwtdw7

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I've always said Derek Brockway is the man, and handily he has a screenshot of the 41c predicted for Sheffield yesterday. I think it was on sunday that they also predicted 43c for today

https://twitter.com/DerekTheWeather/...sible-24520665

The actual high in Sheffield was 36c at 5pm -5c below what they predicted.

Again, thats extremely hot, but like I said, it's possible that the predictions were slightly inflated, without questioning the whole premise of man made climate change

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...ions/gcqzwtdw7

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And what if they were? What’s your point? There has been a record temperature set in the UK of more than 40 degrees, a figure that I’ve seen described as “staggering” by one of the meteorologists on the BBC.

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I've always said Derek Brockway is the man, and handily he has a screenshot of the 41c predicted for Sheffield yesterday. I think it was on sunday that they also predicted 43c for today

https://twitter.com/DerekTheWeather/...sible-24520665

The actual high in Sheffield was 36c at 5pm -5c below what they predicted.

Again, thats extremely hot, but like I said, it's possible that the predictions were slightly inflated, without questioning the whole premise of man made climate change

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...ions/gcqzwtdw7

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Or it's possible that predicting a temperature in a relatively small area 48 hours into the future is not going to be exact.

Some really troubling scenes in Greater London with a huge fire out of control. Reports there are a couple of others just broken out in the south east. Maybe this will wake a few up to the dangers of climate change.

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Or it's possible that predicting a temperature in a relatively small area 48 hours into the future is not going to be exact.

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Exactly. Thats my point. But others were saying anyone is wrong for saying they thought the reality wouldnt hit the predictions made the other day :shrug:

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And what if they were? What’s your point? There has been a record temperature set in the UK of more than 40 degrees, a figure that I’ve seen described as “staggering” by one of the meteorologists on the BBC.

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I know all that. But the heatwave hasn't quite hit the predictions made the other day, and someone was criticised for saying as such, when they were correct.

It doesn't change the bigger picture one bit.

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Some really troubling scenes in Greater London with a huge fire out of control. Reports there are a couple of others just broken out in the south east. Maybe this will wake a few up to the dangers of climate change.

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I'm amazed we havent seen more in the Valleys. That is something that (touch wood, no pun..) doesn't seem to be quite the issue it was a few years in terms of deliberate fires anyway

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Exactly. Thats my point. But others were saying anyone is wrong for saying they thought the reality wouldnt hit the predictions made the other day :shrug:

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Not really. The main headline was that the UK was predicted to hit 40C, in the south east. And it did. The reality hit the prediction.

Drilling down into one particular city's 48 hour forecast just to prove a point is, I assume you're going to inform me, just balance with a little bit of nuance on top.

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I know all that. But the heatwave hasn't quite hit the predictions made the other day, and someone was criticised for saying as such, when they were correct.

It doesn't change the bigger picture one bit.

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Let’s get this right, I started this thread saying that it was being predicted that there was a fifty/fifty chance that the temperature in England would hit forty degrees on the Monday and/or Tuesday of the coming week. This was instantly seized upon and ridiculed by some of the “usual suspects” on here. There is now provisional confirmation that the forty degree figure has been exceeded, so I could say that by claiming there was a fifty/fifty chance that the temperature wouldn’t reach forty, the forecast was an underestimation, but what’s the point?

Some might think you were just being argumentative for the sake of it.

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Not really. The main headline was that the UK was predicted to hit 40C, in the south east. And it did. The reality hit the prediction.

Drilling down into one particular city's 48 hour forecast just to prove a point is, I assume you're going to inform me, just balance with a little bit of nuance on top.

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Yes. And the truth.

I'm just saying, it's a fact that Sheffield was predicted to be 41 and 43 and it actually was 35 and (it seems) 39.

Whats wrong with pointing that out? Some people were mocking someone who said the predictions may be a little inflated, when actually he was probably right.

I entirely agree with you on the science behind climate change, but you don't have to be an absolute fundemenalist about it. What was predicted the other day, hasn't quite come true. The UK has recorded a record temperatute, but not quite as high as we thought it may do.

Whats wrong in pointing that out? It's the truth.

Raining now in Brizzle. temperature dropping rapidly, down from 41 on my car reading to 33 already,