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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
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Yeah, it's really funny how those who think they are well informed have spent their entire lives being led up the garden path :biggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Yeah, it's really funny how those who think they are well informed have spent their entire lives being led up the garden path :biggrin:
I agree, but I'm sure it's for very different reasons :biggrin:
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Heisenberg
I agree, but I'm sure it's for very different reasons :biggrin:
Well, we are going to find out soon enough, you have nailed your colours to the mast and there will be no escaping that :thumbup:
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Wales-Bales
Well, we are going to find out soon enough, you have nailed your colours to the mast and there will be no escaping that :thumbup:
Says the "Trump Russia Collusion Delusion" guy.
It's hilarious that you think you "sit on the fence" :hehe:
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https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...investigation/
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This is brilliant.
RG "Trump didn't speak to Comey about Flynn..."
JT "You said previously that Trump said he told Comey to go easy on Flynn"
RG "I never said that Trump told Comey "to give Flynn a break""
RG "If he did say "give Flynn a break" it's no big deal"
JT "Here's footage of you saying that Trump said that"
*Footage shows him saying exactly that!*
RG "Why would I say something that isn't true"
Amazing.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Says the "Trump Russia Collusion Delusion" guy.
It's hilarious that you think you "sit on the fence" :hehe:
I read source documents, while you get your information directly from those who don't want you to know what is going on. Like I said, there is only going to be one outcome, so let's wait and see.
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Wales-Bales
I read source documents,
Which ones are those? Are they like the ones you posted the other day about Hillary Clinton/Anthony Wiener that I had to explain to you? Feel free to share them at any time if you care about enlightening the rest of us and guiding us onto the right track.
while you get your information directly from those who don't want you to know what is going on. For someone who thinks that everyone is lying to the public, how do you know who to believe, eh? Although, I got my latest bit of info from Rudy Giuliani - so you're probably right about me.
Like I said, there is only going to be one outcome, so let's wait and see.
Want to tell us what that outcome is, since you're so confident or will you continue with your M.O. of deflect, obfuscate, deflect?
I'm awaiting something along the lines of "you wouldn't understand/won't accept the truth" etc... which will be the deflect part.
We may even get some obfuscation too, if we're lucky :biggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
I'm awaiting something along the lines of "you wouldn't understand/won't accept the truth" etc... which will be the deflect part.
We may even get some obfuscation too, if we're lucky :biggrin:
We should talk later, once it gets past the he said/she said stage, but my guess is Bruce Ohr is going to be the weak link who brings down the whole house of cards. Ms Page has been cooperating, I'm not sure who else as they have been running a tight ship. Flynn and Papadopoulos will be interesting, still plenty of twists and turns ahead!
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Wales-Bales
We should talk later, once it gets past the he said/she said stage, but my guess is Bruce Ohr is going to be the weak link who brings down the whole house of cards. Ms Page has been cooperating, I'm not sure who else as they have been running a tight ship. Flynn and Papadopoulos will be interesting, still plenty of twists and turns ahead!
Why are you only guessing?... you read "source documents" for christ's sake!
Like all conspiracy theorists, you can't bear the thought of not having insider information. Sadly though, you're in the same position as the rest of us schmoes, where we get second hand information that we have to decide how to process... and you take all of one side, where I take most of the other side - due to our different beliefs/stances on matters. The difference is that those of us who don't blindly follow the 'alternative facts' crowd will be more likely to admit fault when/if we've been duped.
If Mueller cannot find any evidence linking Trump with criminal activities, then I'll apologise to you for the mockery I've aimed at you. I can't imagine you doing the same for those who think Trump is guilty if he ends up facing any charges. I can almost see you claiming further conspiracies are brewing against him and there's a bigger story behind it all if he steps foot in a courtroom (or whatever setting where he needs to answer to his possible crimes).
The side you've chosen (and you have chosen a side!) cannot get their story straight on anything to do with this investigation, yet you're happy to think that they may not be hiding anything. Can you see how ridiculous that is? If they had nothing to hide, surely they could get their facts straight?!
Just look at *the lesser* Rudy G's comments in the link I posted. That's not photoshopped or edited is it? He literally says that he never said something that he was recorded saying on camera. That's evidence of him being dishonest and an outright liar - but you won't accept that for some reason. That reason is because it's not what you want to be true. You almost need there to be no collusion now as that would mean some 'deep-state' shit is happening and you're long held beliefs of a New World Order or whatever is justified. Maybe that would also mean that the other shit that you and Splott David used to post on here about false flags, and other Alex Jones, David Icke lunacy may have been true after all.
The biggest problem I've got with people like you, Gluey, and this is genuine, is... If you think everything is a ****ing conspiracy, how are we as a society supposed to filter out what the real conspiracies are? When you, and others like you, share dangerous stories and accusations about things like school shootings and child trafficking in the basement of a pizza restaurant - without a shred of evidence - you are doing nothing but scaremongering. If there were any real-world consequences for posting the outright libellous crap that I've seen you post over the years, I wonder if you'd do some real research instead of jumping on the newest InfoWars/4Chan bandwagon? Who knows, eh?
Whoa... I got incredibly sidetracked there and just realised that I've typed a mini essay. I've got some source documents to read now, so I'd better be off. I doubt any of what I said will matter to you, but I feel better for getting it off my chest. Good night.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Why are you only guessing?... you read "source documents" for christ's sake!
Like all conspiracy theorists, you can't bear the thought of not having insider information. Sadly though, you're in the same position as the rest of us schmoes, where we get second hand information that we have to decide how to process... and you take all of one side, where I take most of the other side - due to our different beliefs/stances on matters. The difference is that those of us who don't blindly follow the 'alternative facts' crowd will be more likely to admit fault when/if we've been duped.
If Mueller cannot find any evidence linking Trump with criminal activities, then I'll apologise to you for the mockery I've aimed at you. I can't imagine you doing the same for those who think Trump is guilty if he ends up facing any charges. I can almost see you claiming further conspiracies are brewing against him and there's a bigger story behind it all if he steps foot in a courtroom (or whatever setting where he needs to answer to his possible crimes).
The side you've chosen (and you have chosen a side!) cannot get their story straight on anything to do with this investigation, yet you're happy to think that they may not be hiding anything. Can you see how ridiculous that is? If they had nothing to hide, surely they could get their facts straight?!
Just look at *the lesser* Rudy G's comments in the link I posted. That's not photoshopped or edited is it? He literally says that he never said something that he was recorded saying on camera. That's evidence of him being dishonest and an outright liar - but you won't accept that for some reason. That reason is because it's not what you want to be true. You almost need there to be no collusion now as that would mean some 'deep-state' shit is happening and you're long held beliefs of a New World Order or whatever is justified. Maybe that would also mean that the other shit that you and Splott David used to post on here about false flags, and other Alex Jones, David Icke lunacy may have been true after all.
The biggest problem I've got with people like you, Gluey, and this is genuine, is... If you think everything is a ****ing conspiracy, how are we as a society supposed to filter out what the real conspiracies are? When you, and others like you, share dangerous stories and accusations about things like school shootings and child trafficking in the basement of a pizza restaurant - without a shred of evidence - you are doing nothing but scaremongering. If there were any real-world consequences for posting the outright libellous crap that I've seen you post over the years, I wonder if you'd do some real research instead of jumping on the newest InfoWars/4Chan bandwagon? Who knows, eh?
Whoa... I got incredibly sidetracked there and just realised that I've typed a mini essay. I've got some source documents to read now, so I'd better be off. I doubt any of what I said will matter to you, but I feel better for getting it off my chest. Good night.
Good rant, but like I said before I don't push conspiracy theories, I just discuss the facts that surround them like document trails, official hearings, conflicting evidence, etc. I find it's always good to stick to the facts.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
Good rant, but like I said before I don't push conspiracy theories, I just discuss the facts that surround them like document trails, official hearings, conflicting evidence, etc. I find it's always good to stick to the facts.
Said without an ounce of irony :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Said without an ounce of irony :hehe:
What is a conspiracy theory? It's an ad hominem device to close down legitimate dicussion. If a janitor gives a flakey performance under oath at an official hearing, that is a fact. People discussing actual Podesta emails and pedocentric Instagram accounts are talking about actual facts. Who was it that placed Hillary in the basement of a pizza restaurant, so that it became a part of the narrative? It was the news media desperate to turn factual emails and the existance of sick images into a conspiracy theory!
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Conspiracy Theory Alert! Now the president of the United States is at it!! Fox News too!!
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
“Seems like the Department of Justice (and FBI) had a program to keep Donald Trump from becoming President”. @DarrellIssa @foxandfriends If this had happened to the other side, everybody involved would be in jail. This is a Media coverup of the biggest story of our time.
2:25 pm · 12 Aug 2018
Why aren't the left leaning media labeling it a conspiracy theory? They should be controlling the narrative! Come on guys, call them out, let's change reality by going full-on ad hominem until they are silenced! Shut 'em down!!
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Now Rudy is sticking his beak in!
Rudy Giuliani @RudyGiuliani
To my friend Jeff Sessions: Appoint an Independent Counsel like Louis Freeh or Judge Mukasey to investigate the “investigation and investigators..” Also unlike the illegal Mueller appointment you will be able to cite, as law requires, alleged crimes.
5:03 am - 13 Aug 2018
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Why the f**k is he doing that over Twitter? Also, is he trying to get Sessions to un-recuse himself and obstruct justice? Mueller will love that.
Never heard of either of the people RG mentioned as canditates to "investigate the investigation" (:hehe:) so after a quick Google:
Louis Freeh is the 'Former FBI director represented Russian firm at center of major money-laundering probe'
http://uk.businessinsider.com/fbi-di...dering-2017-11
Key points from that case:
* The Russian-owned real-estate firm Prevezon earlier this year hired former FBI Director Louis Freeh to help settle a major money-laundering case with the US government.
* Prevezon is also represented by Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with top Trump campaign officials in June 2016 at Trump Tower. (are you shitting me?!)
Good start....
Who is Judge Mukasey, you ask? He's the guy who wrote the piece 'End Robert Mueller's investigation' for USA Today in May 2018 https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...ates/35157745/ (Are you doubly shitting me?!)
Yet, they are supposed to be "independent counsel". Might as well have Donnie do the investigation himself at this rate!
I'm sure that's all above board with you though, right Gluey lad?
F**king incredible stuff.
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
What is a conspiracy theory? It's an ad hominem device to close down legitimate dicussion. If a janitor gives a flakey performance under oath at an official hearing, that is a fact. People discussing actual Podesta emails and pedocentric Instagram accounts are talking about actual facts. Who was it that placed Hillary in the basement of a pizza restaurant, so that it became a part of the narrative? It was the news media desperate to turn factual emails and the existance of sick images into a conspiracy theory!
Sandy Hook was a conspiracy theory. Anyone who thought that it was ok to even suggest anything other than it being a tragedy is a scumbag. It wasn't up for discussion. End of.
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Heisenberg
Sandy Hook was a conspiracy theory. Anyone who thought that it was ok to even suggest anything other than it being a tragedy is a scumbag. It wasn't up for discussion. End of.
I've never expressed an opinion on it, so I'm not sure why you think I have? I did notice that a janitor was all over the place when questioned by a lawyer at a public hearing, so I'm not sure how something that is on the public record can be classed as a conspiracy?
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Why the f**k is he doing that over Twitter? Also, is he trying to get Sessions to un-recuse himself and obstruct justice? Mueller will love that.
Never heard of either of the people RG mentioned as canditates to "investigate the investigation" (:hehe:) so after a quick Google:
Louis Freeh is the 'Former FBI director represented Russian firm at center of major money-laundering probe'
http://uk.businessinsider.com/fbi-di...dering-2017-11
Key points from that case:
* The Russian-owned real-estate firm Prevezon earlier this year hired former FBI Director Louis Freeh to help settle a major money-laundering case with the US government.
* Prevezon is also represented by Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with top Trump campaign officials in June 2016 at Trump Tower. (are you shitting me?!)
Good start....
Who is Judge Mukasey, you ask? He's the guy who wrote the piece
'End Robert Mueller's investigation' for USA Today in May 2018
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinio...ates/35157745/ (Are you doubly shitting me?!)
Yet, they are supposed to be "independent counsel". Might as well have Donnie do the investigation himself at this rate!
I'm sure that's all above board with you though, right Gluey lad?
F**king incredible stuff.
As someone who likes to dabble in the dark arts yourself, I can see you are mightily impressed by their sheer gall :biggrin:
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Heisenberg
Sandy Hook was a conspiracy theory. Anyone who thought that it was ok to even suggest anything other than it being a tragedy is a scumbag. It wasn't up for discussion. End of.
You are completely right about the real world consequences. Recently it was told how the parents of one boy shot dead at Sandy Hook were harassed so much they had to change identities and move away. They now cannot visit their 6 year olds grave. It is beyond tragedy.
But some can't resist propagating the myths and then are proud of themselves for doing it in a very clever way so they can innocently say but but but I never gave an opinion. The CCMB fantasist has forgotten that he didn't only post about janitors. Luckily for him, those posts have been lost but other people have memories.
Scumbag is putting it lightly. Utter c**t is what I'd say.
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lardy
You are completely right about the real world consequences. Recently it was told how the parents of one boy shot dead at Sandy Hook were harassed so much they had to change identities and move away. They now cannot visit their 6 year olds grave. It is beyond tragedy.
But some can't resist propagating the myths and then are proud of themselves for doing it in a very clever way so they can innocently say but but but I never gave an opinion. The CCMB fantasist has forgotten that he didn't only post about janitors. Luckily for him, those posts have been lost but other people have memories.
Scumbag is putting it lightly. Utter c**t is what I'd say.
I'm afraid your credibility took a dive some time back, you've been exposed as being nothing more than a incoherent punch-drunk radical leftie :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
I've never expressed an opinion on it, so I'm not sure why you think I have? I did notice that a janitor was all over the place when questioned by a lawyer at a public hearing, so I'm not sure how something that is on the public record can be classed as a conspiracy?
You are becoming really ****ing annoying, to be honest. You know exactly why Sandy Hook will be remembered as a conspiracy theory; the suggestions of it being a 'false flag', that no children were actually killed and everyone involved were really actors. That's acceptable on any level, is it? There was never any facts or evience to suggest anything other than it being a mass murder in a primary school, yet some people cannot help themselves.
'...The janitor was all over the place...." seriously...f**k off. He had been witness to the death of dozens of children.
I know which side of morality I'd like to be on... and for that purpose, I'm done discussing this matter with you.
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Heisenberg
You are becoming really ****ing annoying, to be honest. You know exactly why Sandy Hook will be remembered as a conspiracy theory; the suggestions of it being a 'false flag', that no children were actually killed and everyone involved were really actors. That's acceptable on any level, is it? There was never any facts or evience to suggest anything other than it being a mass murder in a primary school, yet some people cannot help themselves.
'...The janitor was all over the place...." seriously...f**k off. He had been witness to the death of dozens of children.
I know which side of morality I'd like to be on... and for that purpose, I'm done discussing this matter with you.
I'm not discussing any matter with you, besides you seem to be talking about something completely different, while at the same time trying to drag me into it when I have nothing to do with it. Is this another one of your smear tactics? If so it's not working very well.
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FBI's Peter Strzok, fired over anti-Trump texts. He is the 3rd prominent FBI official ousted in Clinton, Russia probes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...689_story.html
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So just to recap, according to the wise ones on here, Trump is guilty of Russian Collusion. Yet all of the people who started the collusion investigation seem to be finding themselves in a spot of bother, and keep on getting fired. Talk about heads in the sand :biggrin:
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Agent Peter Strzok was just fired from the FBI - finally. The list of bad players in the FBI & DOJ gets longer & longer. Based on the fact that Strzok was in charge of the Witch Hunt, will it be dropped? It is a total Hoax. No Collusion, No Obstruction - I just fight back!
9:04 am - 13 Aug 2018
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Just fired Agent Strzok, formerly of the FBI, was in charge of the Crooked Hillary Clinton sham investigation. It was a total fraud on the American public and should be properly redone!
9:09 am - 13 Aug 2018
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dkf6JGMUYAAZHZL.jpg
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Agent Strzok was also in charge of the General Flynn FBI interview, and we are still waiting to hear whether or not anybody tampered with the interview records.
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Wales-Bales
I read source documents, while you get your information directly from those who don't want you to know what is going on. Like I said, there is only going to be one outcome, so let's wait and see.
The key to the door has been unlocked, and from hereon in the whole house of cards could fall very quickly. Since they have the husband and the wife their stories could unravel fast. Wasserman Schultz is next in the firing line, and who knows where it will go from there. An indictment means they cannot flee the country and further investigations are currently ongoing. There is a lot of info on the internet laying out the potential crimes that they have commited. In fact, it is from these investigations by alternative media and private citizens that brought about these initial charges. The DNC and certain law enforcement agencies tried to bury the whole thing. It will also be interesting where this all of this fits in with the pending Assange revelations. Awan is known to have been associated with Seth Rich.
Here are some of your thought processes presumably based on source documents. What source documents and and what are the outcomes here for example?
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cyril evans awaydays
The key to the door has been unlocked, and from hereon in the whole house of cards could fall very quickly. Since they have the husband and the wife their stories could unravel fast. Wasserman Schultz is next in the firing line, and who knows where it will go from there. An indictment means they cannot flee the country and further investigations are currently ongoing. There is a lot of info on the internet laying out the potential crimes that they have commited. In fact, it is from these investigations by alternative media and private citizens that brought about these initial charges. The DNC and certain law enforcement agencies tried to bury the whole thing. It will also be interesting where this all of this fits in with the pending Assange revelations. Awan is known to have been associated with Seth Rich.
Here are some of your thought processes presumably based on source documents. What source documents and and what are the outcomes here for example?
http://www.documentcloud.org/search/...ion"%3A2085%7D
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Wales-Bales
Where is the bit about Wasserman Shultz being in the firing line?
Where is the Assange link?
Where is the Seth Rich bit?