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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:27
Probably the most thought you've put in a post in this thread.
Probably the most thought you've put in a post in this thread.
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:26
Gluey
Do you have any idea how stupid you are beginning to look?
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
headlight
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Sun, 30 August 2015 19:53
So the fact that the disabled person has already been assessed as not fit for work by a doctor, consultant or other medical professional, who is a lot more familiar with their particular health problems than ATOS & the DWP counts for nothing then.
Those that cannot should be protected from being asked to do so.
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
Nobody is saying that all people with disabilities should work, or that nobody with a disability should work.
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
But somebody is ramping it up and saying lets see what we can get away with.
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:41
Gluey
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:26
What are you on about?
What I have said is that disabled people are more than capable of achieving great things in the same way able bodied people can.
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
Good grief. When I said disabled people are more than capable of working I wasn't talking about every single case. Clearly there will be some cases where it's just not possible for disabled people to work. I was talking about the disabled people who want to work and can work.
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:20
Gluey
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:41
What are you on about?
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:26
A team of medical professionals have concluded after careful consideration and analysis that their patient is not fit for any type of work, yet you are saying the lazy feckers should be forced into work, and while they are at it, they should participate in the Paralympics too.
You mean the people who are found unfit for any kind of work by medical professionals?
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
That's certainly not me. You are twisting what I am saying. I am saying generally people with disabilities are more than capable of working and being as productive as able bodied people given the proper support framework. That's not applicable in every case of course as each case is different.
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
Gluey
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:20
What are you on about?
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:41
A team of medical professionals have concluded after careful consideration and analysis that their patient is not fit for any type of work, yet you are saying the lazy feckers should be forced into work, and while they are at it, they should participate in the Paralympics too.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:26
Do you have any idea how stupid you are beginning to look?
How many of the 2,000+ per the article were declared unfit for any type of work in perpetuity by their doctor?
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
But when they go in front of the board they are all classed the same,from the same tick list.
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
Have you not stopped to think that this may have already been the case before all this madness kicked in?
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:27
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
headlight
Is this fact or your opinion?
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:28
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:27
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
headlight
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
Nobody is saying that all people with disabilities should work, or that nobody with a disability should work.
Oh dear, we are back to your Jimmy Savile logic again. Just give it up mate http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:28
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
headlight
Can I make a point here that I think it should be down to a medical professional to ascertain fitness for work rather than a civil servant and it should be assessed on clinical outcomes only, my arguments in this thread are about how you can arrive at the conclusions you have with the data provided? It appears to be more tory bashing rather than any rigorous analysis of the data released.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:30
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:28
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:27
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
headlight
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
Nobody is saying that all people with disabilities should work, or that nobody with a disability should work.
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
But somebody is ramping it up and saying lets see what we can get away with.
I asked a valid question. If you don't have any evidence to back up your claim then we will stick to it being an opinion.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:32
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:30
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:28
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:27
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
headlight
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
Nobody is saying that all people with disabilities should work, or that nobody with a disability should work.
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
But somebody is ramping it up and saying lets see what we can get away with.
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
That's certainly not me. You are twisting what I am saying. I am saying generally people with disabilities are more than capable of working and being as productive as able bodied people given the proper support framework. That's not applicable in every case of course as each case is different.
You switch between facts and conjecture as and when it suits your need, and all this while the language of obscurification is the norm in the world of politics.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 20:04
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:32
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:30
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:28
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:27
headlight
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
Nobody is saying that all people with disabilities should work, or that nobody with a disability should work.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
But somebody is ramping it up and saying lets see what we can get away with.
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
That's certainly not me. You are twisting what I am saying. I am saying generally people with disabilities are more than capable of working and being as productive as able bodied people given the proper support framework. That's not applicable in every case of course as each case is different.
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
But when they go in front of the board they are all classed the same,from the same tick list.
what are you going on about now?
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 20:09
So this scottish lad has autism, epilepsy, can"t speak, read or write, can"t feed or wash himself & is incontinent.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 20:04
His doctor has decided that he no longer needs assessments as his condition will not improve, but according to feedy he is more than capable of working.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:32
"Disabled people are more than capable of working. It's insulting to suggest that they can't and shouldn't work. With the right support and framework in place people with disability are just as capable and productive. You seem to think a disability is a barrier to working whereas it's not.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:30
DLA is not about health as you have suggested. It's about living with a disability. Plenty of people on DLA are as healthy as anyone else."
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:28
headlight
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Originally Posted by jeepster wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:27
Nobody is saying that all people with disabilities should work, or that nobody with a disability should work.
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:25
But somebody is ramping it up and saying lets see what we can get away with.
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Originally Posted by Gluey wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:04
That's certainly not me. You are twisting what I am saying. I am saying generally people with disabilities are more than capable of working and being as productive as able bodied people given the proper support framework. That's not applicable in every case of course as each case is different.
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Originally Posted by Ray Mears wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 19:00
But when they go in front of the board they are all classed the same,from the same tick list.
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Originally Posted by headlight wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 18:46
Is this fact or your opinion?
Think about it for a while, and if you're still stuck get back to me http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
Why should a young man with autism, eplilepsy, unable to speak, read or write, incontinent & unable to feed or wash himself who has been declared unfit for work & whose medical professional has said that he needs no more assessements as his condition will never improve so has been signed off permanently for the rest of his life have to fill out a 20 page form to see if he is fit for work or can keep his benefits ?
This is the problem with the DWP"s sysytem.
Their answer (the DWP"s) when asked about this case was that people needed assessing as their conditions can improve.
Feedy do you honestly think that with the right support system in place, as per your previous post, this man can work ?
headlight
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
Headlight
Not at all, but I'm not suggesting that he could. You've got an idea in your head that isn't based on what I've written.
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
Questions.
If a 40 year old guy who had been, say, a bus driver for 20 years, was following an accident confined to a wheelchair and therefore unable to drive anymore.....would/ should he be deemed "unfit for work"?
Would you expect his Doctor to say.
This man is unfit for work?
This man can no longer drive buses but could do something else?
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Re: Disabled but fit for work? - Make a will
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Originally Posted by Feedback wrote on Mon, 31 August 2015 20:25
Headlight
headlight