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Re: Light aircraft gone down from Nantes to Cardiff near Guernsey last night?
It seems strange that, whilst the club were happy to offer the services of the private jet for the discussion on terms and the medical, once he had signed the travel offer seemed to be a Nantes - Paris - London - Cardiff trip on a scheduled airline, train and taxi. One would hope that the jet was perhaps being used for other club business at that time, possibly other transfer targets
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The Bloop
All I can think is that Sala wanted a full day in Nantes to say his farewells and no commercial flight times would have allowed him to do that and still get to Cardiff in time for training on Tuesday.
The only way for him to do this would be a private flight in the evening.
He flew back Saturday he had 2 days to say his goodbyes.
The club couldn’t keep laying on a private jet flying him back and forth to France every time he wanted to go back.
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J R Hartley
He flew back Saturday he had 2 days to say his goodbyes.
The club couldn’t keep laying on a private jet flying him back and forth to France every time he wanted to go back.
I agree
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Vindec
It seems to me the club is immune from criticism. The plane and flight were arranged by the agent who presumably, in consultation with Sala, opted to reject the club's offer. Unfortunately the agent's 24 year old single engined plane wasn't up to the job and neither it would seem was the pilot - a gas fitter who flew planes on the weekend and may not have even held a commercial licence and admitted himself in a tweet to be "rusty". Once the club's offer of a commercial flight was rejected, and the agent advised the club that he would make the arrangements, the situation was effectively taken out of the club's hands. The club could not have been expected to know the arrangements made by the agent were totally unsatisfactory, and to put it mildly amateurish. I gather, according to Simon Jordan, that it is not unusual for agents to arrange transport for their players.
No doubt some will speculate, if true, why the third pilot failed to get on the plane and this is likely to be examined in greater detail by the accident investigators!
There are many people who like to knock the club but in this situation they are blameless.
What do you think the clubs policy will be going forward? I mean, I’m sure they will not let players (their assets as well as human beings) do this type of thing in future. They will either have it written in their contact that the club arranges transport or that the player has to give notice of their travel arrangements prior to travelling which would have to be ok’d by the club.
I realise there are limits to tge restrictions you can put upon an adult but Feck me , football clubs tell their players what to eat and how nuch they can drink and when. The club can and will wash their hands of this but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have done things better. They could have done a lot more from where I’m sitting. It’s inept from his agents point of but also from the clubs in my opinion. I realise we are talking different levels but can you see Man City, Chelsea or Man U letting their record striker get on a feckin decades old microlite to travel accross the english channel at night in winter. It’s farcical.
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Whats all this flares coming from Burhou island stuff on twitter about?
Is that new?
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Don't know how true and if I'm just clinging onto hope but according to some Twitter reports, flares have been spotted from Burhou Island. Surely this would have been checked. I also understand that there are sick ****s out there that would make up fake reports.
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Divine Wright
What do you think the clubs policy will be going forward? I mean, I’m sure they will not let players (their assets as well as human beings) do this type of thing in future. They will either have it written in their contact that the club arranges transport or that the player has to give notice of their travel arrangements prior to travelling which would have to be ok’d by the club.
I realise there are limits to tge restrictions you can put upon an adult but Feck me , football clubs tell their players what to eat and how nuch they can drink and when. The club can and will wash their hands of this but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have done things better. They could have done a lot more from where I’m sitting. It’s inept from his agents point of but also from the clubs in my opinion. I realise we are talking different levels but can you see Man City, Chelsea or Man U letting their record striker get on a feckin decades old microlite to travel accross the english channel at night in winter. It’s farcical.
As far as I’m aware the club didn’t know of this
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Mr Shhh
Don't know how true and if I'm just clinging onto hope but according to some Twitter reports, flares have been spotted from Burhou Island. Surely this would have been checked. I also understand that there are sick ****s out there that would make up fake reports.
Apparently pics were taken of flares in that direction Tuesday morning. The island has been searched by air but very hard to get anyone on the island in current conditions.
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Father Dougal
Whats all this flares coming from Burhou island stuff on twitter about?
Is that new?
Stuff on google from two days ago about Burhou and flares.
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Father Dougal
Whats all this flares coming from Burhou island stuff on twitter about?
Is that new?
If flares went up yesterday as the rumors on Twitter are suggesting, surely they would have been investigated by now.
Also if they got there with flares, presumably they would have been in a raft, how come they didn't set them off sooner?
I'd bet this is some sick oddball making crap up.
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https://guernseypress.com/news/2019/...rney-lifeboat/
RNLI crew investigated reports of flares going up behind Burhou during Monday night’s gruelling five-hour search for the missing plane.
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This flicker of hope is almost unbearable especially as we'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if there is any truth in it.
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Welshcake.
This flicker of hope is almost unbearable especially as we'll have to wait until tomorrow to see if there is any truth in it.
There isn't.
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My friend mentioned it Tuesday morning as the news broke about flares being sighted but having not seen much in the way of reports I thought it was just made up.
This coming to light again is reigniting the hope and it’s bloody unbearable.
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Divine Wright
What do you think the clubs policy will be going forward? I mean, I’m sure they will not let players (their assets as well as human beings) do this type of thing in future. They will either have it written in their contact that the club arranges transport or that the player has to give notice of their travel arrangements prior to travelling which would have to be ok’d by the club.
I realise there are limits to tge restrictions you can put upon an adult but Feck me , football clubs tell their players what to eat and how nuch they can drink and when. The club can and will wash their hands of this but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have done things better. They could have done a lot more from where I’m sitting. It’s inept from his agents point of but also from the clubs in my opinion. I realise we are talking different levels but can you see Man City, Chelsea or Man U letting their record striker get on a feckin decades old microlite to travel accross the english channel at night in winter. It’s farcical.
I can't answer the question you pose as I do not know enough about the arrangements that exist between players, agents and the club. However, when a former Premier League Chairman explains in a radio interview that it is usual for agents to arrange transport I have no reason to disbelieve him and I do not think it is the club's responsibility to second guess everything an agent does. I agree this whole episode reveals many flaws in the arrangements made but I can't see how anyone can blame the club for a consenting player to be transported in a plane owned and organised by an agent who must be used to arranging transport for players on a routine basis. In this particular case where the pilot's experience is being called into question I do not think it would be practicable for any club to check whether a pilot had the relevant experience and qualifications to fly one of their players for example.
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oscarblue
Fantastic tribute ; tradgedy does indeed stretch out to all football fans far and wide (apart from a few brain dead arse*oles in South Wales who we cannot legislate for from both in Swansea & Cardiff).
Superb PSG
I hope that on Saturday, our fans respect this sad and needless loss. I cannot look at the photo of him smiling without getting a lump in my throat.
Makes us stop and think about how much unites us at times like this. The best tribute to him would be for The Bluebirds to stay in the EPL. Good Luck.
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islandblue
Someone on the pilots (pprune) forum said there was a commercial flight from Nantes to Cardiff via Amsterdam at 7.15pm arriving into Cardiff on KLM at 9.40pm.......if only:frown:
I think you misread that. 17.15 (4.15 pm our time) from Nantes.
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The Bob Banker Spanker
My friend mentioned it Tuesday morning as the news broke about flares being sighted but having not seen much in the way of reports I thought it was just made up.
This coming to light again is reigniting the hope and it’s bloody unbearable.
Sadly I think the most likely explanation if those are genuinely pictures over Alderney area is that they are trails from the rescue planes carrying out the search.
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ZZ Jack
I hope that on Saturday, our fans respect this sad and needless loss. I cannot look at the photo of him smiling without getting a lump in my throat.
Makes us stop and think about how much unites us at times like this. The best tribute to him would be for The Bluebirds to stay in the EPL. Good Luck.
Your fans will respect it, I have no doubt about that.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">24th January<br>7.50am update. <br><br>We are commencing a coastal search using be Channel Islands Air Search plane of Burhou, the Casquets, Alderney, the north coast of the Cherbourg Peninsula, north coast of Jersey and then back over Sark. <br><br>Further information released when available</p>— Guernsey Police (@GuernseyPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/GuernseyPolice/status/1088343506748428288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Bl00dy hell!! So the chatter on Twitter last night about flares coming from the area around Burhou seems valid?
How have Guernsey police only just got wind of this.
I don't know, all speculation I guess and a lot of theories and information being put to the test.
All said and done but if the rescue services are still out searching then there is always hope and we have to have faith.
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Monster munch
Bl00dy hell!! So the chatter on Twitter last night about flares coming from the area around Burhou seems valid?
How have Guernsey police only just got wind of this.
I don't know, all speculation I guess and a lot of theories and information being put to the test.
All said and done but if the rescue services are still out searching then there is always hope and we have to have faith.
You are moaning about something that you know absolutely nothing about.
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Monster munch
Bl00dy hell!! So the chatter on Twitter last night about flares coming from the area around Burhou seems valid?
How have Guernsey police only just got wind of this.
I don't know, all speculation I guess and a lot of theories and information being put to the test.
All said and done but if the rescue services are still out searching then there is always hope and we have to have faith.
They said they searched the area on Monday night after reports of flares.
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Hopefully they will find something today as it seems as though this could be the last day of searching. Assume they are just checking coastal for signs of debris.
His family must be going through hell
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dml1954
You are moaning about something that you know absolutely nothing about.
Oh really. You have no idea what I know so don't come back at me with remarks like that and feel your better to insult a fellow fan.
We are all desperate for news and optimistic with any snippets of information and like I said a lot of speculation around.
Very coincidental how all this chat about the flares and now the rescue services are looking at the said area.
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The bad side of twitter when these rumours spread about this island. The photo has been written off by anyone reliable as flares, more informed people have stated there's no way they'd have made it to that island but you have several hundreds tweeting Guernsey Police telling them to get on the island. They're doing an amazing job in tragic circumstances, these rumours spreading like wildfire don't help anyone, certainly not the Guernsey police.
I'd imagine if nothing is spotted today then that might be that for the search. Horrible. My thoughts are with his family and friends, as well as the pilot's.
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All the posts on the pilots forum have now been removed.
Not sure why that would be the case.
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i know its well documented it had nothing to do with the club regarding the travel arrangements of sala but im wondering as things start to sort of settle down and scale back... im just wondering that tan with the resources at his disposal would he be in a position to fund more searching... the authorities obviously have limits when it comes to this type of thing and yes i know its still early days in search terms i dont need reminding of that, but im just wondering when they scale that back what then... do we just wait for debris to surface over weeks months years ?
like everyone else, still clutching to hope and miracles but i dont have a faith system, its just so numbing you find yourself with a headache of mood and upset, we all want sala and the pilot to be castaway somewhere sheltering in a cave or under cover somewhere and be found but in reality and that starts to settle in in reality its too long now, you know you hear of people being found 25 or 30 years after being kidnapped as children, but this is different, its too long, most of us dont need confirmation or a full stop on it, i dont think its a no news is good news situation its just no news is no news... nothing
we were so desperate for this lad to come and be a hero and a legend and he will be a legend now but for all the wrong reason, we didnt even get to see him, there was a handfull of lads outside ccs who managed to get a snap with him holding his shirt but the rest of us never got to see him and its bonkers, just bonkers...
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Monster munch
Oh really. You have no idea what I know so don't come back at me with remarks like that and feel your better to insult a fellow fan.
We are all desperate for news and optimistic with any snippets of information and like I said a lot of speculation around.
Very coincidental how all this chat about the flares and now the rescue services are looking at the said area.
There are a number of areas they are searching. There was no twitter fuss about the others. The only suggestion of a flare are those photos from 48 hours ago and that area has already been searched since then.
It is just a team doing a very difficult job and being good enough to update the world as to how they are doing it. They are the ones with the relevant expertise, not people on twitter (well-meaning as they may be).
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Optimistic Nick
There are a number of areas they are searching. There was no twitter fuss about the others. The only suggestion of a flare are those photos from 48 hours ago and that area has already been searched since then.
It is just a team doing a very difficult job and being good enough to update the world as to how they are doing it. They are the ones with the relevant expertise, not people on twitter (well-meaning as they may be).
Having been airlifted by the coastguard from the middle of English Channel myself I can testify how good these guys are - though I may be biased.
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Presumably you, or someone with you, had the necessary means to alert the coastguard of your position? That Sala's plane went down is bad enough...no distress call, emergency locator beacon etc is in itself a cause for concern.
On a side note I was on a ferry once that diverted to rescue two lads in the sea who had come out of canoes. They had flares with them that could be seen easily by day. Even in summer they were cold and barely able to speak, when taken on board. Quite what they were doing so far from land, and obviously inexperienced, beggars belief.
Glad you made it ok.
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Monster munch
Oh really. You have no idea what I know so don't come back at me with remarks like that and feel your better to insult a fellow fan.
We are all desperate for news and optimistic with any snippets of information and like I said a lot of speculation around.
Very coincidental how all this chat about the flares and now the rescue services are looking at the said area.
Flares were reported on the first morning, investigated and reported to be not significant. You were commenting about the role of the police and indicating that they might not be doing their jobs properly. What you were doing is speculating, which is totally counter productive in the current circumstances. Todays news states they are now searching the coastal areas around all of the local islands, presumably for debris. They have already done sea searches in the area. They are not just searching one area because of the flares. What they are doing is the logical next step in the search process i.e. recovery, not rescue, as they said yesterday.
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Premier League has refused us an extension.
Very classy from them, eh?
Wankers.
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Baker
Premier League has refused us an extension.
Very classy from them, eh?
Wankers.
We are not a top 6 club - what do you expect?
We just make up the numbers.
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Guernsey Police
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1.20pm update
The island of Burhou has been searched by foot. No trace of the aircraft or those on board has been found.
Further information will be released once it is available.
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Bluebird74
Guernsey Police
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1.20pm update
The island of Burhou has been searched by foot. No trace of the aircraft or those on board has been found.
Further information will be released once it is available.
Credit to them for actually searching, based on twitter rumours. You have to value their effort through this.
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According to the Aviation Safety Network website listing the safety records of all types of plane, there have been 225 accidents involving Piper Malibu (Types 310 and 350) since 1984. Not sure how this compares with records of similar size aircraft but it seems excessive to me. Many of those accidents involved fatalities.
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Baker
Premier League has refused us an extension.
Very classy from them, eh?
Wankers.
Personally just want the window closed, wouldn't want it dragging out.
Unless a player is thrown at us I also just don't see Warnock and Co having the energy to chase anyone else.