England’s first ever red warning for extreme heat on Monday and Tuesday.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Let’s get this right, I started this thread saying that it was being predicted that there was a fifty/fifty chance that the temperature in England would hit forty degrees on the Monday and/or Tuesday of the coming week. This was instantly seized upon and ridiculed by some of the “usual suspects” on here. There is now provisional confirmation that the forty degree figure has been exceeded, so I could say that by claiming there was a fifty/fifty chance that the temperature wouldn’t reach forty, the forecast was an underestimation, but what’s the point?

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Bpb, you're not down playing the facts though, or adding enough balance for Jimbo's liking. That obviously means that you're biased, have a one tracked mind and you let your prejudices get in the way of decent debate. Even though what you stated actually happened, it's fact. You need to sort yourself out :hehe:

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Raining now in Brizzle. temperature dropping rapidly, down from 41 on my car reading to 33 already,

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I thought that the temperature was dipping and diving while driving my car recently, until i realised that i was looking at my speedometer.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Let’s get this right, I started this thread saying that it was being predicted that there was a fifty/fifty chance that the temperature in England would hit forty degrees on the Monday and/or Tuesday of the coming week. This was instantly seized upon and ridiculed by some of the “usual suspects” on here. There is now provisional confirmation that the forty degree figure has been exceeded, so I could say that by claiming there was a fifty/fifty chance that the temperature wouldn’t reach forty, the forecast was an underestimation, but what’s the point?

Some might think you were just being argumentative for the sake of it.

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Yes, but Lither also said this: My bet is that it won't be anywhere near as hot as predicted. and for the most part he's correct.

People don't have to be so fundementalist about it.

It's a record temperature, very likely caused by man made climate change, but the heatwave hasn't proven quite as severe as thought the other day.

All three of these things can be true.

You don't build faith in the science by ignoring that it got a prediction slightly wrong in this case. You build faith in it, by acknowledging that whilst still stressing the bigger issue, which is what I'm arguing.

This stuff matters. I was really worried about my house bound father the last couple of days. Where he lives, a temperature of 36c was predicted today. It is currently 25c.

It doesn't change the bigger picture, but they got the ferocity of it all a little wrong there. On other occasions they may underestimate the temperature, which also happens.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Bpb, you're not down playing the facts though, or adding enough balance for Jimbo's liking. That obviously means that you're biased, have a one tracked mind and you let your prejudices get in the way of decent debate. Even though what you stated actually happened, it's fact. You need to sort yourself out :hehe:

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:hehe: I think I’ll just say yes you’re right and I’m wrong because this is clearly very important to him.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yes. And the truth.

I'm just saying, it's a fact that Sheffield was predicted to be 41 and 43 and it actually was 35 and (it seems) 39.

Whats wrong with pointing that out? Some people were mocking someone who said the predictions may be a little inflated, when actually he was probably right.

I entirely agree with you on the science behind climate change, but you don't have to be an absolute fundemenalist about it. What was predicted the other day, hasn't quite come true. The UK has recorded a record temperatute, but not quite as high as we thought it may do.

Whats wrong in pointing that out? It's the truth.

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Because I don't see the point in being an absolute fundamentalist over the accuracy of the forecast for Sheffield.

I had a quick look on twitter and found this. Is this deemed acceptably accurate?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tomorrow: Very hot and sunny day for most areas. W areas will see cloud building through the afternoon with outbreaks of rain in places, which will be heavy and thundery at times. <a href="https://t.co/S7LtdPLdUa">pic.twitter.com/S7LtdPLdUa</a></p>&mdash; BBC Weather (@bbcweather) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbcweather/status/1549065491150524417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I thought that the temperature was dipping and diving while driving my car recently, until i realised that i was looking at my speedometer.

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If you hadn't been speeding you wouldn't have had to be slowing down ! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

:hehe: I think I’ll just say yes you’re right and I’m wrong because this is clearly very important to him.

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It's for the best. Jim is very nuanced, fair minded, doesn't take sides etc......

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Originally Posted by lardy

Because I don't see the point in being an absolute fundamentalist over the accuracy of the forecast for Sheffield.

I had a quick look on twitter and found this. Is this deemed acceptably accurate?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tomorrow: Very hot and sunny day for most areas. W areas will see cloud building through the afternoon with outbreaks of rain in places, which will be heavy and thundery at times. <a href="https://t.co/S7LtdPLdUa">pic.twitter.com/S7LtdPLdUa</a></p>— BBC Weather (@bbcweather) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbcweather/status/1549065491150524417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Depends, look at stornoway, that brings the average right down, and The Falklands is British territory, but nobody mentions them when they're working these things out. You also need to be more balanced, like Jim.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Because I don't see the point in being an absolute fundamentalist over the accuracy of the forecast for Sheffield.

I had a quick look on twitter and found this. Is this deemed acceptably accurate?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tomorrow: Very hot and sunny day for most areas. W areas will see cloud building through the afternoon with outbreaks of rain in places, which will be heavy and thundery at times. <a href="https://t.co/S7LtdPLdUa">pic.twitter.com/S7LtdPLdUa</a></p>&mdash; BBC Weather (@bbcweather) <a href="https://twitter.com/bbcweather/status/1549065491150524417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Yes, but also:

On sunday the BBC predicted 40c for London and 42c for Sheffield yesterday
https://twitter.com/ben_rich/status/1548761133795926017

It actually was 37c and 36c respectively.

Very hot. Almost certainly caused by man made climate change. Not quite as hot as predicted.

All true.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Depends, look at stornoway, that brings the average right down, and The Falklands is British territory, but nobody mentions them when they're working these things out. You also need to be more balanced, like Jim.

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My uncle was off fishing in Stornoway today. Didn't take his jumper as he saw it was 17. Well bugger me, it didn't even get past 15 and he was out there for 10 hours.

Tamping he was, tamping.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yes, but also:

On sunday the BBC predicted 40c for London and 42c for Sheffield yesterday
https://twitter.com/ben_rich/status/1548761133795926017

It actually was 37c and 36c respectively.

Very hot. Almost certainly caused by man made climate change. Not quite as hot as predicted.

All true.

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So it's a problem that 40 was forecast for Monday, but it was actually 40 on Tuesday, and everyone who thinks "why is this guy James making such a massive deal about it" is a fundamentalist. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

Clearly in this thread there any many who no matter the amount of hard evidence their lead infested brains which have had 30+ years of a daily mail diet will never ever change their minds on this.

Why is it if you ask for someone's views on climate change if they don't believe it you know instantly that they're tory voting brexiters. Again there's a huge link between education and all of these factors.

Go ahead and cry that I'm being patronising, snowflakes.

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Well, just because we couldn't afford private school education, you shouldn't hold it against us. And.... you shouldn't keep losing your temper. You know what it's a sign of..

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Exactly. Thats my point. But others were saying anyone is wrong for saying they thought the reality wouldnt hit the predictions made the other day :shrug:

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Do you ever get tired of being like this? You literally are adding nothing to this.

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Originally Posted by lardy

So it's a problem that 40 was forecast for Monday, but it was actually 40 on Tuesday, and everyone who thinks "why is this guy James making such a massive deal about it" is a fundamentalist. Got it.

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No, it was predicted to be fking hot..it is fking hot, but not quite as fking or quite as widespread as predicted.

As mentioned, I was concerned for my dad when we were looking at 36c today, it's actually the mid 20's there. It was baking yesterday, but not as hot today. That happens. Sometimes it goes the other way and they underestimate. It doesn't change the bigger picture.

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Originally Posted by lardy

My uncle was off fishing in Stornoway today. Didn't take his jumper as he saw it was 17. Well bugger me, it didn't even get past 15 and he was out there for 10 hours.

Tamping he was, tamping.

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That’ll teach those climate change fools

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Do you ever get tired of being like this? You literally are adding nothing to this.

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Well what I'm saying is correct to be fair, but yes it is tiring, so I'll give up now, especially as it's so hot (but not quite as hot as was predicted) ;)

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well what I'm saying is correct to be fair, but yes it is tiring, so I'll give up now, especially as it's so hot (but not quite as hot as was predicted) ;)

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Thank God there wasn't a ccmb with you posting on it in 1987 when Michael Fish said there was no hurricane coming...

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well what I'm saying is correct to be fair, but yes it is tiring, so I'll give up now, especially as it's so hot (but not quite as hot as was predicted) ;)

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but then the climate change accepters have won

keep up the good fight :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

but then the climate change accepters have won

keep up the good fight :thumbup:

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What does this even mean ffs :hehe:

Do you not believe in climate change? Why are all the dorks who voted for brexit like this :hehe:

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Originally Posted by lardy

Thank God there wasn't a ccmb with you posting on it in 1987 when Michael Fish said there was no hurricane coming...

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Don't bring Michael Fish into this

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well what I'm saying is correct to be fair, but yes it is tiring, so I'll give up now, especially as it's so hot (but not quite as hot as was predicted) ;)

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It’s more wrong and pedantic tbf. The temperature reached record highs in the U.K.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

but then the climate change accepters have won

keep up the good fight :thumbup:

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I can tell you're all excited at what you think is going on, but James is also a "climate change accepter"

Remember that World Cup Semi Final from 2014, Brazil 1 Germany 7? What we’re seeing this afternoon is the equivalent of someone claiming Brazil won actually because they had more throw ins :hehe:

Climate change accepter ffs :hehe:

Yes, I fully believe in man made climate change.

It just so happens that the predictions for this heatwave weren't quite as bad or widespread as predicted, and for some reason largely unknown to us all, on this very hot day I seem to have chosen this hill to die upon.

I am unsure as to why, but you are all very annoying and I'm overheated and all of you stink

The temperatures reached record temperatures. Temperatures are predicted with error margins as is anything like this.

You’ve picked another pointless hill to die on ffs.

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Originally Posted by lardy

I can tell you're all excited at what you think is going on, but James is also a "climate change accepter"

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yes I know what James is, I can read

and Im not all that excited to be honest, just having a bit of a laugh calling him a "climate change accepter"

Yes its hot, uncomfortable and dangerous for some but surely someone can question the ‘tactics’ of the BBC and other news outlets without being accused of being a climate change denier ? Two days of hot temperatures does not make an extreme and catastrophic heatwave, which is what we have been bombarded with for the last few weeks on tv and online. By tomorrow the temperatures will be back around normal for the time of year and in the last two weeks there have only been two other days when temperatures went over 30 degrees. Prior to that it rained for about the previous two weeks and temperatures were below average. I am very concerned about climate change but this is not about that, it is about the way that we are being force fed deliberately over the top forecasts purely so that the different outlets can get one up on their competitors and so that the many so called ‘experts’ can try to justify their jobs and huge salaries. They did the same with aspects of the Covid pandemic and no doubt will move on to something else when summer is over and we are all wet and freezing. A heatwave is what happened in 1976 but then the population just got on with their lives and news reporters just concentrated on giving the facts, rather than embellishing and fabricating them as they do now.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Yes its hot, uncomfortable and dangerous for some but surely someone can question the ‘tactics’ of the BBC and other news outlets without being accused of being a climate change denier ? Two days of hot temperatures does not make an extreme and catastrophic heatwave, which is what we have been bombarded with for the last few weeks on tv and online. By tomorrow the temperatures will be back around normal for the time of year and in the last two weeks there have only been two other days when temperatures went over 30 degrees. Prior to that it rained for about the previous two weeks and temperatures were below average. I am very concerned about climate change but this is not about that, it is about the way that we are being force fed deliberately over the top forecasts purely so that the different outlets can get one up on their competitors and so that the many so called ‘experts’ can try to justify their jobs and huge salaries. They did the same with aspects of the Covid pandemic and no doubt will move on to something else when summer is over and we are all wet and freezing. A heatwave is what happened in 1976 but then the population just got on with their lives and news reporters just concentrated on giving the facts, rather than embellishing and fabricating them as they do now.

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Shit. I didn't realise until now that one of the first victims of climate change was paragraphs!

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Shit. I didn't realise until now that one of the first victims of climate change was paragraphs!

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Don't joke about climate change you literal nazi.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Yes its hot, uncomfortable and dangerous for some but surely someone can question the ‘tactics’ of the BBC and other news outlets without being accused of being a climate change denier ? Two days of hot temperatures does not make an extreme and catastrophic heatwave, which is what we have been bombarded with for the last few weeks on tv and online. By tomorrow the temperatures will be back around normal for the time of year and in the last two weeks there have only been two other days when temperatures went over 30 degrees. Prior to that it rained for about the previous two weeks and temperatures were below average. I am very concerned about climate change but this is not about that, it is about the way that we are being force fed deliberately over the top forecasts purely so that the different outlets can get one up on their competitors and so that the many so called ‘experts’ can try to justify their jobs and huge salaries. They did the same with aspects of the Covid pandemic and no doubt will move on to something else when summer is over and we are all wet and freezing. A heatwave is what happened in 1976 but then the population just got on with their lives and news reporters just concentrated on giving the facts, rather than embellishing and fabricating them as they do now.

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An article from a “so called expert” regarding 1976, but it’s in the Guardian, so it probably doesn’t count.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...is-summer-heat

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Don't joke about climate change you literal nazi.

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It's a fair cop. What's the sentence?

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

It's a fair cop. What's the sentence?

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One afternoon reading CCMB on the hottest day of the year.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Shit. I didn't realise until now that one of the first victims of climate change was paragraphs!

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And the facts.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yes, but also:

On sunday the BBC predicted 40c for London and 42c for Sheffield yesterday
https://twitter.com/ben_rich/status/1548761133795926017

It actually was 37c and 36c respectively.

Very hot. Almost certainly caused by man made climate change. Not quite as hot as predicted.

All true.

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It reached 40.2 at Heathrow today. So the date was apparently wrong by 1 day not the maximum temperature predicted. A completely pointless way to try and dominate another thread.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

One afternoon reading CCMB on the hottest day of the year.

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It's Rwanda for me.

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Originally Posted by dml1954

Yes its hot, uncomfortable and dangerous for some but surely someone can question the ‘tactics’ of the BBC and other news outlets without being accused of being a climate change denier ? Two days of hot temperatures does not make an extreme and catastrophic heatwave, which is what we have been bombarded with for the last few weeks on tv and online. By tomorrow the temperatures will be back around normal for the time of year and in the last two weeks there have only been two other days when temperatures went over 30 degrees. Prior to that it rained for about the previous two weeks and temperatures were below average. I am very concerned about climate change but this is not about that, it is about the way that we are being force fed deliberately over the top forecasts purely so that the different outlets can get one up on their competitors and so that the many so called ‘experts’ can try to justify their jobs and huge salaries. They did the same with aspects of the Covid pandemic and no doubt will move on to something else when summer is over and we are all wet and freezing. A heatwave is what happened in 1976 but then the population just got on with their lives and news reporters just concentrated on giving the facts, rather than embellishing and fabricating them as they do now.

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Can you stop getting all your opinions from the daily mail and you might not come across as being quite so uninformed.

Do you think the news should mention as its headline the potential for record breaking temperatures that are predicted by meteorologists?

Do you think they shouldn’t repeat the warnings that heat waves can be dangerous to try and make people take precautions?

Why does the heatwave of 1976 keep getting brought up? Why not the heatwave of 2003 that killed 15,000 in France alone?

Should they not mention climate change even though there’s almost a 0% chance that it isn’t the cause of this heatwave?

200,000 British people died due to covid so far according to the ONS, which bit of coverage was overblown?

In summary, what point are you even trying to make?

40.3 just recorded on Lincolnshire. Very soon people will be saying it will be too hot to host future World Cups in the UK.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've always said Derek Brockway is the man, and handily he has a screenshot of the 41c predicted for Sheffield yesterday. I think it was on sunday that they also predicted 43c for today

https://twitter.com/DerekTheWeather/...sible-24520665

The actual high in Sheffield was 36c at 5pm -5c below what they predicted.

Again, thats extremely hot, but like I said, it's possible that the predictions were slightly inflated, without questioning the whole premise of man made climate change

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather...ions/gcqzwtdw7

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Sheffield recorded 38.9 degrees at 3.00 pm today - at the ‘official’ Weston Park Weather Station

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Sheffield recorded 38.8 degrees at 4.00 pm today - at the ‘official’ Weston Park Weather Station

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tbf..I feel like we've done this to death now, but indeed, 38.8c is very hot, but it is below 43c which was predicted only two days ago. And that alone was my point.

I hope it is cooler at Brammall Lane, where I shall be next tuesday evening..